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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #200 on: December 18, 2009, 02:57:49 PM »
Dexter wins.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #201 on: December 18, 2009, 03:03:31 PM »
Dexter wins.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #202 on: December 18, 2009, 03:13:56 PM »
Shawn was awesome and is one of my favorites.  However, I think Dexter has too much size and too much conditioning for Shawn to beat him.  Would be probably be close and is a good comparison though.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #203 on: December 18, 2009, 03:40:49 PM »
 :'(

dex, consider yourself lucky that you won when no one good was around..at least, not compared to the men that Shawn had to face..

like Jay before and after you, you never would have won the O. with a lineup like the mid to late 90's..

sorry, but that is fact. like it or not.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #204 on: December 18, 2009, 03:43:29 PM »
:'(

dex, consider yourself lucky that you won when no one good was around..at least, not compared to the men that Shawn had to face..

like Jay before and after you, you never would have won the O. with a lineup like the mid to late 90's..

sorry, but that is fact. like it or not.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #205 on: December 18, 2009, 04:14:45 PM »
Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #206 on: December 18, 2009, 04:17:35 PM »
Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard
Damn ND nice shots (no homo)

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #207 on: December 18, 2009, 04:45:15 PM »
Shawn couldn't touch Dexter's latspreads

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #208 on: December 18, 2009, 05:41:29 PM »
I agree dex has a better REAR lat shot.

but shawn's front shot is better head to toe:
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #209 on: December 18, 2009, 05:47:42 PM »
I agree dex has a better REAR lat shot.

but shawn's front shot is better head to toe:
Now Shawn looks great in that photo for sure

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #210 on: December 18, 2009, 05:49:21 PM »
dex just never got to this level of quality:

sorry.

in fact, few bodybuilders ever did. period.

but shawn's height (and poor judging during the dorian fiasco) is what many say kept him from taking home several olympia titles, and its not hard to see why..
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #211 on: December 18, 2009, 06:23:40 PM »
dex just never got to this level of quality:

sorry.

in fact, few bodybuilders ever did. period.

but shawn's height (and poor judging during the dorian fiasco) is what many say kept him from taking home several olympia titles, and its not hard to see why..

But Shawn's height his lack of width , his lack of muscular bulk and his imbalance issues kept him from taking home any Olympia titles

Dexter Mr Olympia

Shawn = crybaby

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #212 on: December 18, 2009, 06:46:43 PM »
shawn = much better physique than Dexter

Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #213 on: December 18, 2009, 07:06:36 PM »
shawn = much better physique than Dexter

Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..

Like Ronnie who couldn't win an Olympia until the whole groupe of guys who beat him were past their primes  ;)

Shawn = Mr Crybaby
Dexter = Mr Olympia


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #214 on: December 18, 2009, 07:09:18 PM »
you guys are on drugs if you think shawn was better than dex.

i watched shawn throughout his entire career and his weaknesses were what killed him onstage. This BS about the competition is retard talk.

side by side, pose by pose, forget the era, Dex smashes Ray.

Dex's FDB is the best going around, and arguably the best EVER. In that pose Shawn looked the worst against his contemporaries with his flat, lifeless biceps and flattened out triceps. His chest disappeared also in that pose, and his legs were blocky. The only area he beat Dex in that pose was his calves, and they were high, but reasonably developed. His mid section was soft in that pose also whereas Dex's is etched in stone and tighter. Dex's arms jump out like cartoons and his quads are sweepy, massive, and hard.

Rear DB shawn makes up some ground as he had great detail from top to bottom and great balance in that pose, with incredible dryness, BUT he has nowhere near the mass of Dex in that pose particularly in the lats, traps, and those cartoon arms. Then we have Ray's blocky legs again..amnd the same calf argument.

Side triceps is a good pose for Ray and its neck and neck as Ray looks good but the size advantage with the tight waist and sweeping (not blocky) quads gives Dex the edge).

Rear lat spread- again Ray's size lets him down. Its a well balanced pose but the mass v Dex is a big problem here. Dex kills him in this pose.

Front Abs and Thigh Dex's size and striated midsection just destroys Ray's otherwise excellent form which is again horribly ruined by his blocky legs (they are very thick up top and dont sweep into thick mass half way down then taper wildy into his knee- they just are thick and massive like concrete blocks).

Front lat spread is all Dexters. Again possibly no one has ever had a better front lat spread. His pecs appear huge , waist tiny and ripped, with curvy, cartoon arms and thick sweeping legs. Ray's is one where his peds flatten out, his lack of arm size is obvious, his midsection is ok, but there is those blocky legs again and he doesnt have that accentuated V taper and shrink wrapped waist- or the mass and depth that Dex has.

Most muscular. Shawn has his signature pose that makes him look good. It somewhat covers over where his blocky legs link to his waist, and he hoilds it to give his pecs an appearance of thickness that isnt there usually, and he has gnarly arms in that pose. Dex's MM doesnt do him justice and its the one pose where he appears to have lack of pec thickness. I think its the way he holds it.

Standing relaxed there is no comparison. Dex looks like a marvel comic book super hero whilst Ray could be any one of the guys from the late 80s to early 90s and in fact looks larger below the waist than above it.

So for me, Dex...easily..

Ray was good, but Ray wasnt better than Levrone- at all, nor Labrada, nor Haney, Yates, Coleman, Jay, Heath and even Martinez. Dex is better than all of those guys except for Coleman in his prime.


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #215 on: December 18, 2009, 07:10:19 PM »
shawn = much better physique than Dexter

Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..

what a load of crack.

Dex compared to Franco. Your credibility is ruined for the rest of this thread. Do not bother us with your comments.

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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #216 on: December 18, 2009, 07:17:28 PM »
shawn = much better physique than Dexter

Dexter = the franco of the 2000's - only won the title because he stuck around until everyone who was better than him was gone..
Its better to stick around.    That's why Emmitt has the rushing title.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #217 on: December 18, 2009, 07:19:05 PM »
what a load of crack.

Dex compared to Franco. Your credibility is ruined for the rest of this thread. Do not bother us with your comments.
I saw his point. Whoever said Franco was more than the Oak's sidekick
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #218 on: December 18, 2009, 07:35:41 PM »
of course you saw my point. because it was 100% true.

dex vs shawn is a missmatch: shawn crushes him with his horrible structure (hips wider than his torso where his lats insert, Y taper with high lats - totally fucked up - and his turtle gut).

shawn had a great double bi, with a far better structure than dex, better quads, perfect vaccum to boot.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #219 on: December 18, 2009, 07:41:56 PM »
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Front Abs and Thigh Dex's size and striated midsection just destroys Ray's otherwise excellent form which is again horribly ruined by his blocky legs (they are very thick up top and dont sweep into thick mass half way down then taper wildy into his knee- they just are thick and massive like concrete blocks).

you conveniently forget how dexter's horrible structure has even caused him to lose this pose to RONNIE COLEMAN in the past (see 2004)..

versus Shawn, he stands no chance what so ever.

dex couldn't even beat Ronnie in the pose..

to say he beats shawn? hahahahahahaha ::)


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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #220 on: December 18, 2009, 07:43:56 PM »
you conveniently forget how dexter's horrible structure has even caused him to lose this pose to RONNIE COLEMAN in the past (see 2004)..

versus Shawn, he stands no chance what so ever.

dex couldn't even beat Ronnie in the pose..

to say he beats shawn? hahahahahahaha ::)



All I am saying is Dex DID beat Shawn to the title.   Who cares what it looked like gettingthere.   Marino threw better passes than Phil Simms....but Phil has 2 rings.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #221 on: December 18, 2009, 07:49:13 PM »
true, dex eventually won the title.

shawn did not.

but it wasn't because dex had a better physique  that much is painfully obvious:
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #222 on: December 18, 2009, 07:52:49 PM »
true, dex eventually won the title.

shawn did not.

but it wasn't because dex had a better physique  that much is painfully obvious:
Well Dex was shorter and packs more mass now.   We can all say Shawn had a more classical physique or whatever but Dex isn't a Phil Hernon.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #223 on: December 19, 2009, 02:20:49 AM »
Sorry Shawn , bigger , wider and just as hard
8) exactly

where has shawn ever looked as good as these 4 pics.
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Re: Shawn Ray VS. Dexter Jackson
« Reply #224 on: December 19, 2009, 05:04:08 AM »
actually, he looked that good on a regular basis:

thats why shawn did well in contests where dexter, even in his Mr. O shape, would not have beaten shawn, dorian, ronnie etc. when they were in top form
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