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Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« on: December 09, 2009, 07:05:28 AM »
Locals Demand Living Wage for Jobs at Kingsbridge Armory
by Matthew Schuerman


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NEW YORK, NY December 09, 2009 —A City Council committee is set to vote this morning on the controversial plan to turn a former National Guard Armory in the Bronx into a shopping mall. WNYC's Matthew Schuerman has more.

REPORTER: City Council members say it's the closest fight over any real estate in years. A coalition of community organizations and labor unions has been pushing the developer of the Kingsbridge Armory to guarantee that all the jobs at the new shopping mall will pay a living wage. They define a living wage as $11.50 an hour, or $10 an hour if benefits are provided.

Elected officials from the Bronx have largely taken their side. The Bloomberg administration is supporting the developer, the Related Companies, which says that mandating a living wage will scare away retail tenants. A subcommitee and committee must approve a zoning change first, but if successful, the full City Council could vote on the project Wednesday afternoon.

For WNYC, I'm Matthew Schuerman.

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I live about three minutes from this landmark and people really need jobs.  the kids are all over the streets hanging out and would love to work in there. 

WTF is wrong with these libs? 

 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 07:09:36 AM »
they just want to cry racism to people that oppose obama, the head commie in charge, and carry out their socialist agenda of running america into the shitter.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 07:19:04 AM »
they just want to cry racism to people that oppose obama, the head commie in charge, and carry out their socialist agenda of running america into the shitter.

I live right near this place and people in the area need jobs damnit. 

These left wing vermin destroy everything they go near. 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 07:30:30 AM »
I don't see any part of that article that said people were refusing jobs.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 07:34:23 AM »
well duh,  they have to be offered before they can be refused, that is the point , why arent they being offered , man  you not too bright

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 07:36:51 AM »
I don't see any part of that article that said people were refusing jobs.

Read the damn thing fool.  The place is vacant as it is and a develper wants to make a mall.  The local community organizers are trying to shut it down unless they commit to paying a "living wage", which is above the federal minimum wage. 

Stores cant stay open if they are paying a "living wage" to part time help.     

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 07:40:12 AM »
Reading is quite difficult for you isn't it?

There is no relevant nature between the thread topic and the article content.  Which is no surprise as 333 posted it.  

The article is not about jobs being refused, jobs offered, or jobs of any kind.  It is about wages being paid in according to living standards.

When someone else has to break down and explain to you the article you are attempting to use for ammunition in your daily rants, it really doesn't help you prove a point does it?

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 07:42:42 AM »
Read the damn thing fool.  The place is vacant as it is and a develper wants to make a mall.  The local community organizers are trying to shut it down unless they commit to paying a "living wage", which is above the federal minimum wage. 

Stores cant stay open if they are paying a "living wage" to part time help.     

I did read it.  Did you?  That is the big question.

Perhaps you can show up where jobs were being refused by liberals?  Isn't that what your thread topic says?

By admitting the article is about wages, you are only highlighting your smear tactic failure.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 08:01:24 AM »
I did read it.  Did you?  That is the big question.

Perhaps you can show up where jobs were being refused by liberals?  Isn't that what your thread topic says?

By admitting the article is about wages, you are only highlighting your smear tactic failure.

The developer is not going to go forward with this if the demands are kept for a "living wage".  Thus, the libs are refusing jobs since their demands are keeping this thing from moving forward.  . 


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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 08:04:33 AM »
The developer is not going to go forward with this if the demands are kept for a "living wage".  Thus, the libs are refusing jobs since their demands are keeping this thing from moving forward.  . 



No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 08:06:14 AM »
No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2009, 08:12:39 AM »
No, they are not refusing jobs.  They might be potentially LOSING jobs if the developer pulls out.  But refusing and losing are two different things.

The article is about a conflict in a base line pay scale for employers to accept in exchange for retail space there.

There wont be an argument over a pay scale since there will be no jobs to begin with if the left wingers keep their demands with you moron. 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 08:18:19 AM »


Was Obama mentioned in that article?  I must have missed that part too.

Where did you see it? 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 08:20:48 AM »
The picture was fitting. 

Regardless, this is Obamanomics - regulation, intimidation, unions, and community organizing bs. 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2009, 09:24:47 AM »
The picture was fitting. 

Regardless, this is Obamanomics - regulation, intimidation, unions, and community organizing bs. 

No it wasn't.  It had nothing to do with Obama.  This shit has happened in hundreds of other places long before Obama was elected.  It has gone on under nearly every one of the last recent Presidents.  And it will go on after Obama is no longer President.  In 2016   ;)

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you turned your nose up and said "no thanks".  That is refusing.

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you said "ok, but I can only eat soy burgers with shredded lettuce, low fat cheese, grey poupon, and sour dough bread"..  that is losing.  (because I would throw the McD's burger down and say fuck you then.)

They are trying to get the best wage possible for people that will be coming to their area to work.  Now whether that is fair or not, is just an opinion.  You might not think it is fair.  The people applying there might think it is since they want the highest pay possible.

What it comes down to is whether the businesses can sit down and say, in order to accept this pay scale we have to generate a MINIMUM of xxxx amount of sales per week/month/year in order to meet our financial goals.  Will this location provide that for us?  For some chain like Macy's, it could.  For something like Merry Mary's T-shirt shop it might not.

It comes down to who stands to lose more as to where this will go.  If the area is going to lose because of the taxes and such that the venture to bring, then they will bend and back down.  If the businesses stand to lose more in revenue and profit that the area and location could supply them with, then they will bend and back down.

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2009, 09:28:52 AM »
No it wasn't.  It had nothing to do with Obama.  This shit has happened in hundreds of other places long before Obama was elected.  It has gone on under nearly every one of the last recent Presidents.  And it will go on after Obama is no longer President.  In 2016   ;)

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you turned your nose up and said "no thanks".  That is refusing.

If you were hungry and I offered you a McD's burger and you said "ok, but I can only eat soy burgers with shredded lettuce, low fat cheese, grey poupon, and sour dough bread"..  that is losing.  (because I would throw the McD's burger down and say fuck you then.)

They are trying to get the best wage possible for people that will be coming to their area to work.  Now whether that is fair or not, is just an opinion.  You might not think it is fair.  The people applying there might think it is since they want the highest pay possible.

What it comes down to is whether the businesses can sit down and say, in order to accept this pay scale we have to generate a MINIMUM of xxxx amount of sales per week/month/year in order to meet our financial goals.  Will this location provide that for us?  For some chain like Macy's, it could.  For something like Merry Mary's T-shirt shop it might not.

It comes down to who stands to lose more as to where this will go.  If the area is going to lose because of the taxes and such that the venture to bring, then they will bend and back down.  If the businesses stand to lose more in revenue and profit that the area and location could supply them with, then they will bend and back down.

This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's. 

As far as soy burgers, no thanks, I'll take an Angus. 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2009, 09:37:10 AM »
i know a lot of poor and unemployed ppl, many of them lazy too.  most are far-right, obama hating palin lovers.

saying unemployment or lazy-ass people is a political problem isn't right.

lazy people are on both sides of aisle.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2009, 09:38:55 AM »
i know a lot of poor and unemployed ppl, many of them lazy too.  most are far-right, obama hating palin lovers.

saying unemployment or lazy-ass people is a political problem isn't right.

lazy people are on both sides of aisle.

This area is a lib as it gets.  The Unions and community origanizers are starting this problem, not right wing groups. 

Good try at spin though.   

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2009, 09:40:11 AM »
Bloomberg is supporting the libs?  I'm confused.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2009, 09:44:15 AM »
This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's. 

As far as soy burgers, no thanks, I'll take an Angus. 

Do they have a list of the stores that have expressed potential interest in the location?

You said in your first post :

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I live about three minutes from this landmark and people really need jobs.  the kids are all over the streets hanging out and would love to work in there.

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This mall is probably going to be filled with sneakers and cell phone stores and crap like that, not Macy's.

That just might be what they are trying to prevent.  I have no idea as I have never been to the area or know what it's demographics are like or such.  But you KNOW that some place like Foot Locker isn't going to pay those wages.  

Think about it like this.  Malls that are primarily shoe stores, cell phone stores, novelty shops (spencers, journeys, etc..) pay cheap.  And mostly hire teenagers right?  Because they are the only ones who will work cheap.  And what does stores like that attract and cater to?  More teenagers.  And when you have a location with an overflow of teenagers, what do you get?  Idle hanging out that results in crime, shootings, litter, etc...

But walk into a place like Macy's, Sears, Dilliards, Pottery Barn, etc...  the employees are older and those places tend to pay a bit more.  Mainly because their employee turn over rate is lower.  (I saw a chart sometime earlier this year that broke down most of the retailers like that and they tended to hire the majority of their employees 30+ years old and higher).  These employees are usually long term "career" employees.  Who have bills and such and need more income.

So perhaps by trying to keep out the businesses that don't pay much wages, they are attempting to recruit businesses that do and attract and more stable (financial, emotional, maturity) crowd of shoppers.

I don't know about you, but I would rather a building stay closed in my area than open up as a half way swap shop type of place.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2009, 09:46:38 AM »
This area is probably 90% black and hispanic. 

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2009, 10:11:40 AM »
This area is probably 90% black and hispanic. 

Smart move then.

Can't come right out and say they don't want "those" kind of stores there without it being discrimination and racist, but you can keep them out by playing hard ball under the premise you are trying to "get you more $$".

When it fails, you win.

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2009, 10:14:01 AM »
Smart move then.

Can't come right out and say they don't want "those" kind of stores there without it being discrimination and racist, but you can keep them out by playing hard ball under the premise you are trying to "get you more $$".

When it fails, you win.

My dad actually was in the Army and had to work there.  He told me they used to have ordinance, tanks, missles and all sorts of crap in there.   

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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2009, 10:47:39 AM »
My dad actually was in the Army and had to work there.  He told me they used to have ordinance, tanks, missles and all sorts of crap in there.   

If they were smart they would turn it into a time-period mini museum type of thing. 

Of course kids nowdays don't care for that kind of shit anyway, but at least the history would be preserved somewhat.

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Re: Do Liberals even want jobs or do they just want to complain?
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2009, 10:50:00 AM »
If they were smart they would turn it into a time-period mini museum type of thing. 

Of course kids nowdays don't care for that kind of shit anyway, but at least the history would be preserved somewhat.

The place is massive.  I pass it all the time and the damn thing is enormous. 

They should make a theater out of it or some type of sports complex IMHO.