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« on: December 10, 2009, 12:49:07 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?em

Bodybuilders See Kidney Damage With Steroids
By KATIE THOMAS
Published: December 9, 2009

Many competitive bodybuilders take anabolic steroids to achieve their freakishly exaggerated physiques. That is no secret. But steroids can be only one part of an extreme regimen that can wreak havoc on the body.
Human growth hormone, supplements, painkillers and diuretics can also be used to create the “shrink-wrapped” muscles so prized in the aesthetic. And the high concentration of muscle mass puts stress on the body, as if the lifter were obese.

Lifting weights in the gym is “extremely healthy for you,” said Kenneth Wheeler, a former elite bodybuilder known as Flex. “But if you want to be a bodybuilder and compete at the highest level, it has nothing to do with health.” A relatively rare form of kidney disease forced Wheeler to retire in 2003 at age 37, and he needed a kidney transplant later that year.

Determining the extent of the damage that bodybuilders inflict on themselves is difficult, in part because there is little interest in financing studies on such an extreme group, and because bodybuilders are not always honest about what they take. That is why a case study published last month by a top kidney journal is generating interest in the nephrology and bodybuilding communities. It is among the first to assert a direct link between long-term steroid use and kidney disease.

The study began 10 years ago when a kidney pathologist at Columbia University Medical Center in New York noticed that a bodybuilder had an advanced form of kidney disease. Curious, she started looking for similar cases and eventually studied 10 men with serious kidney damage who acknowledged using steroids. Nine were bodybuilders and one was a competitive powerlifter with a similar training routine.

All 10 men in the case series, published in November by the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, showed damage to the filters of the kidney. Nine had an irreversible disease known as focal segmental glomerulosclerosis — the same disease contracted by Wheeler — even though the men in the study did not have other apparent risk factors. Their disease was worse than in obese patients with a higher body-mass index, suggesting that steroids — combined with the other practices — might be harming the kidneys.

Among the study’s most persuasive details is the story of a man, 30 years old at the time, who damaged his kidneys after more than a decade of bodybuilding. The patient’s condition improved after he stopped using the drugs, discontinued his regimen and lost 80 pounds. But it worsened after the man, who became depressed, returned to bodybuilding and steroids.

“These patients are likely the tip of the iceberg,” said Vivette D. D’Agati, the lead researcher. “It’s a risk. A significant risk.”

Several experts not affiliated with the study said that while the claims were intriguing, the study’s value was limited because it focused only on intensive steroid users and because the bodybuilders’ layered training practices had to be taken into account. “I think it’s hard to be certain what’s causing their kidney disease,” said William Bremner, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Washington and an endocrinologist who studies steroids.

D’Agati said, “It’s probably multiple factors that are converging in these patients, but the common entity in all of them is anabolic steroids.”

One participant in the study, Patrick Antonecchia, 46, competed in powerlifting and strong man events for more than 25 years and said he used steroids, supplements and a high-protein diet to attain feats such as pulling a 40,000-pound truck. He ended his career and stopped using steroids about a year ago, and in February received a diagnosis of serious kidney damage. His doctors warned him not to use the drugs again. “They said: ‘Pat. Don’t. Because it comes back,’ ” he said.

Antonecchia has lost about 50 pounds and said he misses the attention his 290-pound frame attracted: “The toughest thing now is it was my identity for 25 years. Now, when people see me, they say, ‘What happened to you?’ ”

Jerry Brainum writes a column for Iron Man Magazine called Bodybuilding Pharmacology and said he welcomes more research on the subject. “I found it very alarming, quite frankly,” Brainum said.

Since the 1990s, at least eight accomplished bodybuilders have died at a young age, and in addition to Wheeler, another six were forced to stop competing because of serious illness, often involving kidney disease.

The main source of information for bodybuilders is word of mouth and experimentation, Brainum said. “These guys have no guidance, they talk among themselves, and they don’t even tell the truth to each other,” he said.

The risk-taking has been made worse by a trend toward ever larger physiques among the sport’s top competitors, some said. Jay Cutler, who won the 2009 Mr. Olympia contest, weighs almost 40 pounds more than Arnold Schwarzenegger did when he won the title in 1974, even though Cutler is five inches shorter.

“Each decade you have a guy that comes along that sets new standards and you say O.K., now I’m going to have to take it to the next level,” said Shahriar Kamali, a professional bodybuilder known as King.

The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding.

But several bodybuilders said the testing was nearly nonexistent, and Cicherillo said he could not provide specific figures on competitors who tested positive. In addition, the chairman of the organization’s medical commission, Robert M. Goldman, is a leading champion of the anti-aging effects of human growth hormone, a drug that is banned by most sports governing bodies.

James Manion, who runs the professional division of the federation, did not return several calls seeking comment.

Some bodybuilders expressed doubt that their practices were dangerous, pointing to former competitors who are still healthy in their 70s. They attributed the deaths of elite bodybuilders to the abuse of over-the-counter painkillers and diuretics, not steroids. The bodybuilding federation tests for diuretics at professional events, although competitors said they are still used.

Bodybuilders said that they were unfairly singled out as drug abusers when athletes in most other sports were also using performance-enhancing drugs. “Like anything else, it’s use and abuse,” Cicherillo said. “We’re the ones who are visual. We’re the ones who walk around, and you see us with the big muscles.”

Wheeler said he was convinced steroid use did not cause his kidney disease, although it might have made it worse.

The patient whose case was the centerpiece of the kidney study said he was most likely predisposed to develop the condition. “The drugs weren’t the reason I got sick,” said the man, who declined to be identified because his steroid use was illegal. After taking a year off from steroids and bodybuilding because of the kidney disease, the man, age 34, is returning to competition. His symptoms have worsened, a sacrifice he said he is willing to accept.

“It’s just really hard to walk away from it,” he said. “I know I can only do this until my early 40s, so I really want to give it my all now.”








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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 12:58:08 AM »
haha, king kamai, flex, bob..........it's a who's who of bb'ing.  :o
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 02:52:49 AM »
People can't get enough of muscle. Regardless if they like it or not, they'll look.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 04:23:33 AM »
Good article there.  8)

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 04:29:21 AM »
kamali failed on taking it to the next level though :'(

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 04:31:25 AM »
Good article there.  8)
this article show the average people's viewpoint I think.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 04:36:44 AM »
this article show the average people's viewpoint I think.

Yep - average people are never going to accept bodybuilding unless steroids themselves are glamorised or accepted - which is never going to happen.

Bodybuilding belongs as an underground subculture and fans of bodybuilding who want it to become more mainstream need to accept that it's going to have to stay that way, certainly in our lifetime.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 04:41:55 AM »
good. at least now we guys stand out from the crowd with our fit bodies. it shouldnt become popular.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 04:44:15 AM »
Yeah, I was hoping this would be a fluff piece on Jay's comeback and Kai's rise.  Why they getting all negative?

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 04:55:47 AM »
this article show the average people's viewpoint I think.


yeah, why bother listening to educated doctors...pay attention to the meathead poking himself in the ass, shoulders, and legs--filled with abscesses, backne, hairloss, limp dick, and a pocketful of schmoe money...keep living that dream fellas.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 04:59:27 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?em

The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding.








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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 11:38:38 AM »
"The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding."

Just look at all the people that get in trouble each year from the random testing... ::)

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 11:58:00 AM »
Typical Chick.....dodge the question and sidestep

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 12:01:12 PM »
Hahahaha, salami got punked, they wouldn't address him as 'king' they used 'shahriar'

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 12:11:07 PM »
fucking chick should run for public office...

bullshit,bullshit, bullshit, ifbb, bullshit, bullshit,  signs my paychecks...we run, bullshit, a clean, bullshit, bullshit, federation...just ask papa joe.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2009, 12:12:09 PM »
This study is so flawed and skewed is not even funny.  Where is the other study to accompany it whwere they test 10 other people who have never touched steroids to see how many of them suffer the same consequences?  I gave much info to the writer, of course, she decided to omit most of it that raises more questions, and facts like a high protein diet, pain relievers, diet, etc arent even taken into consideration.

It's HYPERTENTION that causes stress to the kidneys, ultimately...that can be a result of weight gain, or a myriad of other reasons...not necessarily steroids. Not saying they may not contribute to the cause, but to try and link them DIRECTLY is disingenous.

Most probable, it's a combination of many factors that can contribute to kidney problems...the LEAST significant, is steroids.

Classic mainstream journalism...

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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2009, 12:13:38 PM »
and advil..remember advil!

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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2009, 12:31:21 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/sports/10steroids.html?em

Bodybuilders See Kidney Damage With Steroids
By KATIE THOMAS
Published: December 9, 2009

Many competitive bodybuilders take anabolic steroids to achieve their freakishly exaggerated physiques. That is no secret. But steroids can be only one part of an extreme regimen that can wreak havoc on the body.
Human growth hormone, supplements, painkillers and diuretics can also be used to create the “shrink-wrapped” muscles so prized in the aesthetic. And the high concentration of muscle mass puts stress on the body, as if the lifter were obese.

Lifting weights in the gym is “extremely healthy for you,” said Kenneth Wheeler, a former elite bodybuilder known as Flex. “But if you want to be a bodybuilder and compete at the highest level, it has nothing to do with health.” A relatively rare form of kidney disease forced Wheeler to retire in 2003 at age 37, and he needed a kidney transplant later that year.

Determining the extent of the damage that bodybuilders inflict on themselves is difficult, in part because there is little interest in financing studies on such an extreme group, and because bodybuilders are not always honest about what they take. That is why a case study published last month by a top kidney journal is generating interest in the nephrology and bodybuilding communities. It is among the first to assert a direct link between long-term steroid use and kidney disease.

The study began 10 years ago when a kidney pathologist at Columbia University Medical Center in New York noticed that a bodybuilder had an advanced form of kidney disease. Curious, she started looking for similar cases and eventually studied 10 men with serious kidney damage who acknowledged using steroids. Nine were bodybuilders and one was a competitive powerlifter with a similar training routine.

All 10 men in the case series, published in November by the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, showed damage to the filters of the kidney. Nine had an irreversible disease known as focal segmental glomerulosclerosis — the same disease contracted by Wheeler — even though the men in the study did not have other apparent risk factors. Their disease was worse than in obese patients with a higher body-mass index, suggesting that steroids — combined with the other practices — might be harming the kidneys.

Among the study’s most persuasive details is the story of a man, 30 years old at the time, who damaged his kidneys after more than a decade of bodybuilding. The patient’s condition improved after he stopped using the drugs, discontinued his regimen and lost 80 pounds. But it worsened after the man, who became depressed, returned to bodybuilding and steroids.

“These patients are likely the tip of the iceberg,” said Vivette D. D’Agati, the lead researcher. “It’s a risk. A significant risk.”

Several experts not affiliated with the study said that while the claims were intriguing, the study’s value was limited because it focused only on intensive steroid users and because the bodybuilders’ layered training practices had to be taken into account. “I think it’s hard to be certain what’s causing their kidney disease,” said William Bremner, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Washington and an endocrinologist who studies steroids.

D’Agati said, “It’s probably multiple factors that are converging in these patients, but the common entity in all of them is anabolic steroids.”

One participant in the study, Patrick Antonecchia, 46, competed in powerlifting and strong man events for more than 25 years and said he used steroids, supplements and a high-protein diet to attain feats such as pulling a 40,000-pound truck. He ended his career and stopped using steroids about a year ago, and in February received a diagnosis of serious kidney damage. His doctors warned him not to use the drugs again. “They said: ‘Pat. Don’t. Because it comes back,’ ” he said.

Antonecchia has lost about 50 pounds and said he misses the attention his 290-pound frame attracted: “The toughest thing now is it was my identity for 25 years. Now, when people see me, they say, ‘What happened to you?’ ”

Jerry Brainum writes a column for Iron Man Magazine called Bodybuilding Pharmacology and said he welcomes more research on the subject. “I found it very alarming, quite frankly,” Brainum said.

Since the 1990s, at least eight accomplished bodybuilders have died at a young age, and in addition to Wheeler, another six were forced to stop competing because of serious illness, often involving kidney disease.

The main source of information for bodybuilders is word of mouth and experimentation, Brainum said. “These guys have no guidance, they talk among themselves, and they don’t even tell the truth to each other,” he said.

The risk-taking has been made worse by a trend toward ever larger physiques among the sport’s top competitors, some said. Jay Cutler, who won the 2009 Mr. Olympia contest, weighs almost 40 pounds more than Arnold Schwarzenegger did when he won the title in 1974, even though Cutler is five inches shorter.

“Each decade you have a guy that comes along that sets new standards and you say O.K., now I’m going to have to take it to the next level,” said Shahriar Kamali, a professional bodybuilder known as King.

The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding.

But several bodybuilders said the testing was nearly nonexistent, and Cicherillo said he could not provide specific figures on competitors who tested positive. In addition, the chairman of the organization’s medical commission, Robert M. Goldman, is a leading champion of the anti-aging effects of human growth hormone, a drug that is banned by most sports governing bodies.

James Manion, who runs the professional division of the federation, did not return several calls seeking comment.

Some bodybuilders expressed doubt that their practices were dangerous, pointing to former competitors who are still healthy in their 70s. They attributed the deaths of elite bodybuilders to the abuse of over-the-counter painkillers and diuretics, not steroids. The bodybuilding federation tests for diuretics at professional events, although competitors said they are still used.

Bodybuilders said that they were unfairly singled out as drug abusers when athletes in most other sports were also using performance-enhancing drugs. “Like anything else, it’s use and abuse,” Cicherillo said. “We’re the ones who are visual. We’re the ones who walk around, and you see us with the big muscles.”

Wheeler said he was convinced steroid use did not cause his kidney disease, although it might have made it worse.

The patient whose case was the centerpiece of the kidney study said he was most likely predisposed to develop the condition. “The drugs weren’t the reason I got sick,” said the man, who declined to be identified because his steroid use was illegal. After taking a year off from steroids and bodybuilding because of the kidney disease, the man, age 34, is returning to competition. His symptoms have worsened, a sacrifice he said he is willing to accept.

“It’s just really hard to walk away from it,” he said. “I know I can only do this until my early 40s, so I really want to give it my all now.”







                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 as i posted earlier the first twelve mr america's aau died at an average age of 78.3 years well above the avg age of death at the time. the next twelve died at just 58.9 years of age well below the national average at the time . your call?
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2009, 12:32:07 PM »
note the lack of roid gut in mr grimek pictured above.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2009, 12:37:53 PM »


It's HYPERTENTION that causes stress to the kidneys, ultimately...that can be a result of weight gain or a myriad of other reasons...not necessarily steroids. Not saying they may not contribute to the cause, but to try and link them DIRECTLY is disingenuous.


Classic mainstream journalism...

Chick no disrespect but seriously what you wrote susbscribes to this writer indirectly yet you disagree

1) The minute you increase your weight to more that what naturally your body can take you risk Hypertention which    later cause stress to your Kidney as according to your quote.

2) We know biological that your body can process a certain amount of protein - the excess can cause stress to your kidneys and therefore medical complications.

3) Fear is that the information that is perpetuated within our peers/bodybuilders is not well informed or qualified as a rep you/organisation should be giving all the good, bad and the evil in regards to information and then we the un/educated ones like us are informed and then make the decision whether to bust my health or not..

I know some will not agree but I think its very important that there is that balance in the aspirations of the organisation to educate and inform - not only training or gh here or whatever steroid it is - but also the education and caution and advisory of the side effects -

The article is not far from the truth - is just the one we don't want to agree on ... ::)
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2009, 12:51:32 PM »
The article is not far from the truth - is just the one we don't want to agree on ... ::)

It's not really surprising that the only people who try to undermine the arguments on health effects of steroids are the users themselves.  ::)

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2009, 12:53:43 PM »
Chick is drinking the Koolaid...hahahaha enjoy dialysis in a few years lol hahhaa
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2009, 12:56:32 PM »
It's not really surprising that the only people who try to undermine the arguments on health effects of steroids are the users themselves.  ::)

No, they're argued by those of us that have better knowledge/ experience than the 20 something year old girl that wrote the article...by all means though...make your argument...cant wait to hear this

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2009, 01:00:19 PM »
"The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding.

  ::)

Right because one look at the Olympia contestents tells you thats exactly what is happening

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2009, 01:07:41 PM »
No, they're argued by those of us that have better knowledge/ experience than the 20 something year old girl that wrote the article...by all means though...make your argument...cant wait to hear this
yeah cause dudes who lift weights, strip for old queens and take 'substances' they can't even spell are much better sources of knowledge and information than some woman who graduated top of her class in the NYU School of Journalism and is a published writer for one of the top, if not the TOP newspaper on the planet  ::) ::) ::) ::) oh please... just post the John gosslin pic already
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