Health Insurers Caught Paying Facebook Gamers Virtual Currency To Oppose Reform

[Soul Crusher]

are you out of your freaking mind?  "So what?"  This shit should be illegal.  Would you be ok if I started giving away meals in the poorest areas in exchange for them writting letters to congress in support of obamacare?  don't tell me there's a difference, virtual currency obviously has a $ value.

I could care less what you do with your own money, time and resources. 

If you start coming after my business and livlihood, its all out war and I will do anything and everything within legal bounds to defeat threats to my livihood.

I dont know why insurance companies, car companies, and anyone who makes a buck all of a sudden is supposed to be a willing pinata and just take this crap sitting down. 

 

[240 is Back]

I certainly don't want to waste all of our time debating whether their unethical behavior was justified or not.  I concede it's worse acorn uses taxpayer $.  And I sure concede I'd be using the same tactics if I was the CEO of Aetna and Obama was trying to shit on my parade.

Re-read my original post.  I simply stated if you support this, you have to get off the moral high horse, as you're using unethical practices too.  Justify it any way you please - hell, I admit I'd be doing it too in Aetna's shoes.  But that CEO can't sit on a high horse anymore, that's all.  I don't have a high horse lol... I dont blame them for trying to shut down what I think is a shitty bill.  I'm tired of being called a lib or whatever because I analyze things politically.

[Soul Crusher]

you can't take what one organization unethically does and use it to fucking justify it as right for your team.  It's a quick spiral to a pile-o-shit where nobody gives a fuck.  It's wrong wrong wrong and I can't support a lousy opinion that says you'd do it too or it's ok because they did it too  

sad state of affairs when to not be considered a lib you have to make retarded posts.

politics is war wo bullets

[Skip8282]

Well, after reading Hugo's post, I read the article thoroughly.  I was thinking they were just paying for advertising.  But, having people push letters out to their congresspeople...meh, not so thrilled with that.  Something like that could result in congress getting a biased impression on what people want (even though I think most aren't thrilled with the bill anyway).

So, I'll have to reconsider my stance.  But, if the insurance companies just advertise against the bill, then I wouldn't have a problem with that.

[Soul Crusher]

Well, after reading Hugo's post, I read the article thoroughly.  I was thinking they were just paying for advertising.  But, having people push letters out to their congresspeople...meh, not so thrilled with that.  Something like that could result in congress getting a biased impression on what people want (even though I think most aren't thrilled with the bill anyway).

So, I'll have to reconsider my stance.  But, if the insurance companies just advertise against the bill, then I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Whats the alternative?  A govt law, agency, regulation banning this? 

That to me is horrific compared to this. 

[240 is Back]

it's not illegal what they're doing, and ALL of us would do it if we were running aetna.

it's just that the prez of aetna - or anyone supporting this bill - can't claim to be any authority on ethics after paying people to write their congressmen.

[Soul Crusher]

it's not illegal what they're doing, and ALL of us would do it if we were running aetna.

it's just that the prez of aetna - or anyone supporting this bill - can't claim to be any authority on ethics after paying people to write their congressmen.

240  they are accused of murdering people every day.  Do you really think they are going to claim to a higher ethical authority?

[Skip8282]

Whats the alternative?  A govt law, agency, regulation banning this?  

That to me is horrific compared to this.  

I'm not sure.  I've seen something similar with Unions offering perks to members who wrote letters.  I wasn't too thrilled with that either.  I suppose an argument could be made that Unions and Corporations have 1st amendment rights and this is just an extension, but where do you draw the line.  A powerful Union or corporation can have really, really deep pockets.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not sure.  I've seen something similar with Unions offering perks to members who wrote letters.  I wasn't too thrilled with that either.  I suppose an argument could be made that Unions and Corporations have 1st amendment rights and this is just an extension, but where do you draw the line.  A powerful Union or corporation can have really, really deep pockets.

Im a huge free speech advocate and think the givt has no business regulating or infringing on any policial speech.  As it stands corps are considered people for those purposes. 

I really have no problem with this since no one was forced to to do this.  If they felt that the letter was against their personal beliefs they didnt have to send it.   

[240 is Back]

"240  they are accused of murdering people every day.  Do you really think they are going to claim to a higher ethical authority"

Hey, if the piece-o-shite left is going to make up lies about them, that's what you expect from the piece-o-shit left.  Sinking to their level doesn't make them correct.  It just means they become pieces-of-shite too.


I find the behaviour inexcusable - corrupting our democratic system by flooding letters for play money.

it has nothing to do with Acorn, who is also disgusting bcause they use our tax $ to fvk us.    You can always excuse any murderer because "Bundy killed WAY more than that", but it doesn't make it right.  I call for high standards from ALL parties - you with me?

[Soul Crusher]

"240  they are accused of murdering people every day.  Do you really think they are going to claim to a higher ethical authority"

Hey, if the piece-o-shite left is going to make up lies about them, that's what you expect from the piece-o-shit left.  Sinking to their level doesn't make them correct.  It just means they become pieces-of-shite too.


I find the behaviour excusable - corrupting our democratic system by flooding letters for play money.

it has nothing to do with Acorn, who is also disgusting bcause they use our tax $ to fvk us.    You can always excuse any murderer because "Bundy killed WAY more than that", but it doesn't make it right.  I call for high standards from ALL parties - you with me?

ha ha.  liking asking fat girl to put down cake, never happening. 

[240 is Back]

I think EVERY politician or "expert" should have to face an hour of questions from opponents, while wearing a polygraph on display right next to them.

Anyone who refuses this shouldn't get any air time.

You'd have Ron Paul sitting next to Peter Schiff in the presidential debate... everyone else woudl be too scared to show up.

[Skip8282]

333, others, by supporting this you're effectively giving up any stock you had to bitch when the other side pulls this shit.  You're taking the eye for and eye, shit happens, this is war stance.  So when the next lefty scandal happens, I expect the only thing you'll be saying is, "oh well, to bad we didn't think of that one"

No, I think there has to be some middle ground.  Unions, corporations, organizations...all have a right to free speech too.  So the real issue for me is at what point is that free speech usurping the democratic process.  Quietly paying people to write letters is definitely pushing the envelope.

[tonymctones]

haha it means people can't shit on acorn shitbags any more.  goodbye moral high horse.  both sides playing dirty politics, and there is no denying it.

actually numb nut this had nothing to do with the republican party as accorn does with the dems....

nice try...

the reps and dems are both in bed with health insurers...only dems in bed with accorn 

more double standards from you 240, cover up bro your liberals showing

[Soul Crusher]

the only part I'm talking about is the buying of opinions, of course Unions, corporations, organizations should have a voice... this is a method that disenfranchises individuals, not a voice.

Hugo - you seem like a good guy, but bro, you have no clue how bad things really are.  In 2000 I was a poll watcher in the Bronx when Hillary ran. 

I witnessed this myself!

The democrats literally went into nursing homes and got people who were comatose, not even knowing what day it was, and brought voting machines in the nursing homes to get these people to vote for Hillary. 

They also set up soup & coffee tables 200o feet from the voting place with hillary shit.

Are you upset at that?

[Hugo Chavez]

Hugo - you seem like a good guy, but bro, you have no clue how bad things really are.  In 2000 I was a poll watcher in the Bronx when Hillary ran. 

I witnessed this myself!

The democrats literally went into nursing homes and got people who were comatose, not even knowing what day it was, and brought voting machines in the nursing homes to get these people to vote for Hillary. 

They also set up soup & coffee tables 200o feet from the voting place with hillary shit.

Are you upset at that?

I see people robbing banks and murding people on tru-TV all the time.  So I guess that makes it ok for me to do   I've been all over the fucking world, I'm older than you, I've probably been engaged/interested in politics longer than you, don't tell me I don't have a clue.  Wrong is wrong dummy.  You don't make it a right because the other side has done it   These are basics drilled into people who grew up out here, I don't know what the fuck you were taught out east...

[Soul Crusher]

I see people robbing banks and murding people on tru-TV all the time.  So I guess that makes it ok for me to do   I've been all over the fucking world, I'm older than you, I've probably been engaged/interested in politics longer than you, don't tell me I don't have a clue.  Wrong is wrong dummy.  You don't make it a right because the other side has done it   These are basics drilled into people who grew up out here, I don't know what the fuck you were taught out east...

I am not offended by this stuff because i know it always goes on, always will go on, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.  It is what it is. 

To me, if both sides play dirty, fine.  If you both sides play clean, fine. 

However, history tells us that in most likelihood we will more often than not end up with both sides engaged in blood sport. 

Im totally ok with that. 

[240 is Back]

"I am not offended by this stuff because i know it always goes on, always will go on, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.  It is what it is.  "

You're offended by Acorn, though, right?

[Hedgehog]

okay.  but understand - ANY TIME you criticize acorn now, all we have to say is "They're just trying to keep up with health care companies paying facebook kids in farmville dollars to spam their family about health care bill.

And at that point, your only argument will be "well, acorn was caught FIRST".

it's a slippery slope.  Your side is now a big piece of shit cheater and liar, just like acorn.  Pass the crap sandwich - your side is eating from the same menu now

Please.

Come on.

So just because some acorn employes act like idiots it somehow makes this ok?


BTW, when did this become a "your side and mine side" kind of thing?


You really try to simplify things, aren't you?

[Soul Crusher]

"I am not offended by this stuff because i know it always goes on, always will go on, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.  It is what it is.  "

You're offended by Acorn, though, right?

They are funded by tax dollars and advocate breaking the law. 

Nothing of the sort happened here.  Stop triyng to equivocate two things that are not related. 

[Hugo Chavez]

I am not offended by this stuff because i know it always goes on, always will go on, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.  It is what it is.  

To me, if both sides play dirty, fine.  If you both sides play clean, fine.  

However, history tells us that in most likelihood we will more often than not end up with both sides engaged in blood sport.  

Im totally ok with that.  

no you're not, you're a fucking hypocrite.  Don't tell me you're ok with it when you've bitched about the other side on similar issues.  If you were ok with it, you'd just say, oh shit, nicely played, we should do that next time.  You're full of shit, you're reaching for excuses so you can support it when it's in your favor.  You've lost all stock in bitching next time it's not in your favor.  I guess you'll just be ok with it.  Again, wrong is wrong dummy.  You just cannot say it's ok or ok to look the other way because it happens.    You're dead ass wrong on this.

Lets just say 2000 people wrote letters to their reps for obamacare and 1000 people wrote letters against.  Then Company X comes along and buys people for an additional 2000 against Obamacare for a total of 3000 against and 2000 for.  You don't see a problem with all the people who wrote sincere letters to their reps essentially having them nullified by bought opinions?  You don't have a problem with one of the most core ways our system works manipulated like that essentially rendering the whole point of our representative system dead in this case?  It's wrong no matter what side does it.  The thing to do is to condemn it no matter who does it, but hey, as long as we have people like you and billy thrilled to death about it as long as it is in your/their favor....  unethical morons.

[Soul Crusher]

no you're not, you're a fucking hypocrite.  Don't tell me you're ok with it when you've bitched about the other side on similar issues.  If you were ok with it, you'd just say, oh shit, nicely played, we should do that next time.  You're full of shit, you're reaching for excuses so you can support it when it's in your favor.  You've lost all stock in bitching next time it's not in your favor.  I guess you'll just be ok with it.  Again, wrong is wrong dummy.  You just cannot say it's ok or ok to look the other way because it happens.    You're dead ass wrong on this.

Lets just say 2000 people wrote letters to their reps for obamacare and 1000 people wrote letters against.  Then Company X comes along and buys people for an additional 2000 against Obamacare for a total of 3000 against and 2000 for.  You don't see a problem with all the people who wrote sincere letters to their reps essentially having them nullified by bought opinions?  You don't have a problem with one of the most core ways our system works manipulated like that essentially rendering the whole point of our representative system dead in this case?  It's wrong no matter what side does it.  The thing to do is to condemn it no matter who does it, but hey, as long as we have people like you and billy thrilled to death about it as long as it is in your/their favor....   unethical morons.

Bro - WTF are you talking about?

This goes on every day, everywhere, on every issue. 

The left has its rent-a-mobs for every protest. 

The AARP head is a Obama personal buddy.  The AARP sends out all sorts of shit that many of its members disagree with and try to make it as if all of the elderly are in favor of ObamaCare.  Same with the AMA, BAR Association, etc.

The Unions do it by funneling campaign cash to pols that probavbly 30 -50% of the members dont agree with. 

I dont see where this company did anything wrong at all. 

If they sent out letters in these peoples' names without their permission, I have a problem with that. 

And besides the point, what is your answer to this?  A law? a regulation? a govt agency? 

   

[Hugo Chavez]

Bro - WTF are you talking about?

This goes on every day, everywhere, on every issue. 

The left has its rent-a-mobs for every protest. 

The AARP head is a Obama personal buddy.  The AARP sends out all sorts of shit that many of its members disagree with and try to make it as if all of the elderly are in favor of ObamaCare.  Same with the AMA, BAR Association, etc.

The Unions do it by funneling campaign cash to pols that probavbly 30 -50% of the members dont agree with. 

I dont see where this company did anything wrong at all. 

If they sent out letters in these peoples' names without their permission, I have a problem with that. 

And besides the point, what is your answer to this?  A law? a regulation? a govt agency? 

   

i don't give a flying rats ass how fucking often it happens.  you can't right a wrong with repitition

[Hugo Chavez]

i don't give a flying rats ass how fucking often it happens.  you can't right a wrong with repitition

and the answer here and for everyone is to simply not support this kind of behavior.

[Soul Crusher]

i don't give a flying rats ass how fucking often it happens.  you can't right a wrong with repitition

At this point, sadly, it seems as if bloodsport is the only thing likely to happen.