it does when they have proper evidence to corroborate their opinion.and there is lots of that:look up 'ad populum' in any philosophy text or online document. it will tell you that there IS some clout to the majority opinion IF there is reliable evidence and expert opinions to back it up.for a classic example, see the evolutionary biologists vs the layman creationists 'debate'this is why I keep having to teach ND about philosophy and bodybuilding concurrently when all he knows is flowers.this is no different. most of the bb community feels shawn was robbed of at least one Mr. O (some say two- with the other year being 96) and there is damn good reason to believe that:
your just bitter cause he kicked Levrone's ass a few times
not in 1994 it wasn't..dorian was torn, bloated and not in his best shape by a long shot..it was like night and day compared to 1993..
Too bad there isnt enough evidence of people agreeing with you to make your argument "ad populum". You just give your opinion and say everyone agrees with you. Your fucking delusional.
dorians physique really took a nosedive after 93..when injuries and swollen gut should have ended his olympia streak. dorian always had a very good bodybuilding structure...no doubt about this and was a very consistent guy, which is important charecterstic for bodybuilders to have (and he kept a detailed nutritional and training diary...which nasser also did). i do not dislike dorian at all, he was a mentally tough guy but i do not think he deserved any of his mr olympia victories after 93...although he was better in 95 than he was in 94 (the year he got several injuries).
the mr olympia has always been about mass,samir,zane, dickerson aside,haney,coleman,cutler,yates were the fan favorites and put the most fans in the seats like a heavy weight boxer,who cares about the lighweight boxer,tyson drew the crowd and got the bigger purses due to his stature.same with bbing i'm sure the olympia cover's in flex or musclefitness aren't there bigger seller,with haney .yates.coleman on them .the gaspari,leverone,ray ect selled better due to the image ,didn't matter the mr o is and will be all about the biggest muscular and conditioned size .
and besides after 93 yates was equalled and surpassed when it came to pure mass.
The ONLY reason Ironman and Musclemag didn't scream out FIX after the 1994 Olympia is the same reason Romano was prevented from screaming FIX after the 2007 Olympia: Weider threatens to pull or actually pulls those precious press passes and now the other mags cannot cover the show and/or Bob Kennedy/Steve Blechman is forced to PAY for their own front row tickets.Weider has pulled MD's press passes before and Blechman melted down and apologized. Steve prohibited Romano from outright claiming the 2007 Olympia was FIXED when it was obvious that it was. Same deal with the 1994 Olympia. Again for those who are too dense: All Olympia winners are predetermined. Judging is a charade. If the script says Dorian or Jay wins, then that's how it goes. Loads of money involved. If an MD guy wins, MD's ad rates go up, Weider's go down. Blechman would run MD's Olympia champ on its cover for 12 months straight and Weider people know it. Could only happen if Blechman agreed not to do that and to be non-exclusive with photos/videos. That's the current Mexican standoff. Weider signed Wolf by dumping him in 16th place so Steve would be in no hurry to re-sign him. Then Weider swiped him. When has Weider EVER run out and signed a LAST PLACE OLYMPIA Finisher? NEVER. I'm with Hulkster.
Nonsense Lee Haney was with Twinlab/MD in 1991 and if entertaining what you said was true that render's that silent , Weider would have never let Haney win 8 straight , Haney in fact said he heard all the rumors before the contest like they wouldn't let him win because he wasn't with Weider anymore etc and we all know the outcome You can be wrong with Hulkster who I'm sure wouldn't agree with you that any of Coleman's 8 Olympias were predetermined.
Yes but not with the same level of conditioning, not even close. For example, Nasser's (who is arguably the "best" mass monster Dorian faced) was at its best 'til 95 at a lower weight. Once he put on a hefty amount of mass, he started looking softer specially from the back. Fux and other big guys could never compete with Dorian as their conditioning was always lacking and lines, proportions and symmetry were also lacking. Dorian had the mass/conditioning combo achieved at an unparalleled level at the time while still being able to compete with guys like Levrone, Ray or Flex as far as symmetry and proportions were concerned, even with his torn bicep and his questionable midsection (have a look at the current Mr O or his runner-up to see that huge size and ultra dry conditioning are achieved at the expense of proportions and symmetry most of the time) . Had Dorian had a great midsection in '93, he would have been the most complete Bber ever by leaps and bounds.
The fact is that Ronnie absolutely destroyed guys. His arms and back and conditioning killed people. Dorian NEVER blew anyone off the stage. Most years Dorian didn't even deserve to win.
agreed. but your trying to tell the delusional idiots like ND this..and they won't accept reality.93 dorian won convincingly.every other year he was always being owned by people left right and center..the proof is all over the place..did he deserve to win all these times? no. did he deserve to win some of them? yes.did he deserve his perfect scores? fuck no.
Yeah okay Dorian was so far and ahead of everyone in 1993 they didn't even include him in the muscularity round ,
reality is Dorian was so far ahead of everyone people this day are scrambling to catch up , at his worse he was eons better than everyone
