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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2009, 10:17:55 AM »
Analysts at bulge bracket banks work average weeks in excess of 70+ hours and will pull 100+ hour weeks more than a few times per year.

MuscleMcAnus is another of these retards that wants to hand all the wealth to people who don't deserve it.

I try to call it like I see it. 

To say business owners who started from scratch and turned nothing into a large business and have accumulated wealth in the marketplace,. whether construction, tech, of whatever, are not smarter or work harder than others is pure garbage.  Its simply not true. 


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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2009, 10:18:15 AM »
Skip - how about this.  KSM is being brought to NYC next month.  By all measures this is going to cost NYC anywhere between 75 - 125 Million Dollars if not more.  NYC did not ask for this, but now has to foot the bill for it.  

Is that good enough justification for the $?


Yes, but perhaps NY is saying they need X and the administration is saying, you need Y.  The American people are not looking to fund the full retirement of your cops after 20 years.  That's a NY problem and the residents need to deal with that.

As I said before, I don't know why the money was cut, I'm just throwing out a possibility.

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2009, 10:19:32 AM »
I try to call it like I see it. 

To say business owners who started from scratch and turned nothing into a large business and have accumulated wealth in the marketplace,. whether construction, tech, of whatever, are not smarter or work harder than others is pure garbage.  Its simply not true. 



I agree with what you're saying.

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2009, 10:22:23 AM »
I try to call it like I see it. 

To say business owners who started from scratch and turned nothing into a large business and have accumulated wealth in the marketplace,. whether construction, tech, of whatever, are not smarter or work harder than others is pure garbage.  Its simply not true. 





If you've ever read a book called, "In the Company of Giants", it talks about the digital age millionaires and how much time they spent working, often times for peanuts until the company finally took off.

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2009, 10:22:41 AM »

Yes, but perhaps NY is saying they need X and the administration is saying, you need Y.  The American people are not looking to fund the full retirement of your cops after 20 years.  That's a NY problem and the residents need to deal with that.

As I said before, I don't know why the money was cut, I'm just throwing out a possibility.

The pensions are funded by the NYS Pension fund.  Its two seperate things entirely.  

I personally think was done to slight Patterson since the guv has been bashing Obama a lot lately.    

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2009, 10:24:51 AM »


If you've ever read a book called, "In the Company of Giants", it talks about the digital age millionaires and how much time they spent working, often times for peanuts until the company finally took off.

Everyone I know who has a high net worth works zillions of hours.  Its simply a nonsenscial lie to think people accumulate money by sitting on a couch and waiting for checks to roll in. 

I'm not talking about trust fund babies like John Kerry, but people who start companies and are business people in the normal marketplace. 

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2009, 10:30:59 AM »
"It's not like most of the wealthy are any harder working or any smarter than the rest of us."

Thats utter nonsense.  Most of the people i know who are wealthy, who dont work on Wall Street, are far smarter and work many more hours than your average person.  I'm not talking people who are worth tens of millions, I'm talking people who started companies and now are worth between 3-10 million. 

They are smarter than most people and typically work 24/7 on way or the other. 


Do you have kids?  I bet you don't.  I guess everyone should be business owners right?  I mean after all business owners are the only ones in the world that "deserve" to make milions and millions of dollars because they are so much smarter and harder working than everyone else.  That's pure and utter bullshit.  Without the innovative private sector filled with engineers, scientists, artists, etc. people like you and many others wouldn't have fucking jack shit to sell.  And while you're out working like a dog it's the teachers who are educating your kids and making sure they are prepared to enter into the world as responsible upstanding citizens.  And while business owners are working hard 24/7 a day it's the cops and fire fighters who make sure their shit doesn't burn down and they aren't robbed at gunpoint.  You see where I'm going with this? 

I guaranfuckingtee you you're not smarter nor harder working than I am.  I'm an RN.  Hell I might even make as much money as you.  And as someone who can sympathize with you and others as a future business owner (I'm in the process of writing my own business plan and hopefully going into business for myself soon) I realize the amount of dedication, work, money, energy etc. that goes into running a business.  However, I'm not talking about mom and pop businesses like yours.  I'm talking about the multinational corporations that have been siphoning off the wealth and assets of the American middle class for decades.  They can't even create jobs anymore they are so big and inefficient.  Government is not the root of all our problems like you and many others so naively believe.  People in general are just lazier, more greedy, and more corruptable than ever, both in the private sector and in the government.  Hell most in government were once in the private sector and vice versa. 

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2009, 10:36:19 AM »
Go clean a bed pan douchbag. Ur really good at blowing ur own horn.
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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2009, 10:41:52 AM »
Do you have kids?  I bet you don't.  I guess everyone should be business owners right?  I mean after all business owners are the only ones in the world that "deserve" to make milions and millions of dollars because they are so much smarter and harder working than everyone else.  That's pure and utter bullshit.  Without the innovative private sector filled with engineers, scientists, artists, etc. people like you and many others wouldn't have fucking jack shit to sell.  And while you're out working like a dog it's the teachers who are educating your kids and making sure they are prepared to enter into the world as responsible upstanding citizens.  And while business owners are working hard 24/7 a day it's the cops and fire fighters who make sure their shit doesn't burn down and they aren't robbed at gunpoint.  You see where I'm going with this? 

I guaranfuckingtee you you're not smarter nor harder working than I am.  I'm an RN.  Hell I might even make as much money as you.  And as someone who can sympathize with you and others as a future business owner (I'm in the process of writing my own business plan and hopefully going into business for myself soon) I realize the amount of dedication, work, money, energy etc. that goes into running a business.  However, I'm not talking about mom and pop businesses like yours.  I'm talking about the multinational corporations that have been siphoning off the wealth and assets of the American middle class for decades.  They can't even create jobs anymore they are so big and inefficient.  Government is not the root of all our problems like you and many others so naively believe.  People in general are just lazier, more greedy, and more corruptable than ever, both in the private sector and in the government.  Hell most in government were once in the private sector and vice versa. 


When you work for someone, you negotiate your salary and benefits etc.  If you are not happy with that, you have the option to either accept, decline and fird work somewhere else, or take a risk and work for yourself.  

When you work for someone else or a company, in return for the security of getting a paycheck every week, you give up the potential of reaping a large reward or loss when the business does great or does bad.  

This is why I laugh at unions ansd union members who scream that they 'deserve" a piece of the pie or profits.  WTF?  When the business goes under, will they accept the losses that have been accumulated.  

Business Owners take on a huge risk by going on their own.  For myself personally, i have two people who work for me.  Some weeks I have to go without a paycheck, but there are others where I get a huge paycheck.  Its just how it is.  

People are pointing to the wrong people are far as the problems go.  Its the cost of living that is squeezing people out of middle class, not the "evil rich".  

Are the evil rich driving up your property taxes?  Are they doubling your DMV fees and enacting sales tax hikes to jusify wasteful govt spending?  

When teachers scream about their salaries and the local taxes go up, is that the rich peoples' fault?  

The govt is the problem not people who have $$$.

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2009, 10:46:07 AM »
Go clean a bed pan douchbag. Ur really good at blowing ur own horn.

You know I'm not going to stoop to your level anymore.  I will say this and I'll be done responding to your ignorant ass.  I'm smart enough to realize that soldiers are the backbone of the military.  When you take away all the bullshit has beens like you clouding the ranks of the upper military brass that pretty much sits on their ass behind a computer screen you have the soldiers.  The good old soldier there to clean up the shit decisions, bullshit, and mistakes made during war, and in the greater theatre of an advanced military superpower.

Well while I'd sound like a fool to compare a nurse to a soldier I will say nurses are the backbone of healthcare in the US.  When you get old or god forbid have someone that needs any type of acute hospital care you'll understand what I mean.  Just like I have never served in the military and have no clue what it really means to be a soldier you have no clue what goes on in healthcare or how healthcare is run nowadays.  Trust me, if the average person saw the shit that I see in a hospital they would be taken back and in awe.  While doctors just like officers are the leaders of the healthcare team that are responsible for making the decisions and carrying out the responsibility that goes on when delivering healthcare, it's the nurses that are the eyes and ears for the doctors and it's us who are "in the trenches" so to speak doing the dirty work, yes both literally and figuratively like the soldiers on the frontlines.  

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2009, 10:57:49 AM »

When you work for someone, you negotiate your salary and benefits etc.  If you are not happy with that, you have the option to either accept, decline and fird work somewhere else, or take a risk and work for yourself.  

When you work for someone else or a company, in return for the security of getting a paycheck every week, you give up the potential of reaping a large reward or loss when the business does great or does bad.  

This is why I laugh at unions ansd union members who scream that they 'deserve" a piece of the pie or profits.  WTF?  When the business goes under, will they accept the losses that have been accumulated.  

Business Owners take on a huge risk by going on their own.  For myself personally, i have two people who work for me.  Some weeks I have to go without a paycheck, but there are others where I get a huge paycheck.  Its just how it is.  

People are pointing to the wrong people are far as the problems go.  Its the cost of living that is squeezing people out of middle class, not the "evil rich".  

Are the evil rich driving up your property taxes?  Are they doubling your DMV fees and enacting sales tax hikes to jusify wasteful govt spending?  

When teachers scream about their salaries and the local taxes go up, is that the rich peoples' fault?  

The govt is the problem not people who have $$$.

You never answered my question.  What kind of business do you have? 

You don't get it do you?  Wealth is a finite resource.  It's neither created nor destroyed just like everything on Earth.  It simply changes form and in the process changes hands.  If people are laid off and can't find jobs who the hell do you think has to support their ass?  The public sector i.e. government.  I'd rather have some rich fuck who lives in a million dollar home and drives a Ferrari pony up the fucking money to take care of those less fortunate than my middle class ass.  It's a huge fish bowl anyways........the actions of EVERYONE nowadays affect everyone else.......that's the real problem.  If people didn't find work a hundred years ago they'd either die or resort to crime and stealing.  Look at third world countries.  Is that what you want to happen?  I hate socialism and government and handouts as much as the next guy.  But what are we going to do?  How do you plan to solve all of our financial problems genius?  By doing away with taxes?  Ok fine let's say we have zero taxes.  Let's privatize all our roads and have to pay a fucking toll to drive anywhere.  Yeah that's a wonderful society to live in.   ::)  And there are hundred more examples like that. 

The poor are just as much a leech on society as the rich. 

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2009, 11:15:43 AM »
You never answered my question.  What kind of business do you have? 

You don't get it do you?  Wealth is a finite resource.  It's neither created nor destroyed just like everything on Earth.  It simply changes form and in the process changes hands.  If people are laid off and can't find jobs who the hell do you think has to support their ass?  The public sector i.e. government.  I'd rather have some rich fuck who lives in a million dollar home and drives a Ferrari pony up the fucking money to take care of those less fortunate than my middle class ass.  It's a huge fish bowl anyways........the actions of EVERYONE nowadays affect everyone else.......that's the real problem.  If people didn't find work a hundred years ago they'd either die or resort to crime and stealing.  Look at third world countries.  Is that what you want to happen?  I hate socialism and government and handouts as much as the next guy.  But what are we going to do?  How do you plan to solve all of our financial problems genius?  By doing away with taxes?  Ok fine let's say we have zero taxes.  Let's privatize all our roads and have to pay a fucking toll to drive anywhere.  Yeah that's a wonderful society to live in.   ::)  And there are hundred more examples like that. 

The poor are just as much a leech on society as the rich. 

I believe in capitilism.  its not perfect, but its the best system that results in the most wealth for most people. 

As for myself, i do commercial debt collection, mechanic's liens, bodd claims, fraud investigating, general corporate counseling, negotiations, etc. 

I started my company with $700 to my name 8 years ago when I was sick of working for $10.00 an hour and being told what to do. 

I deal with businesses all day every day.  I am the marketing, accounting, sales, CIO, CFO, CEO, etc. 

Most people who complain about capitilism usually have never run a business and really have no idea what its like to be on the other side of the desk.   


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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2009, 11:21:12 AM »
I believe in capitilism.  its not perfect, but its the best system that results in the most wealth for most people. 

As for myself, i do commercial debt collection, mechanic's liens, bodd claims, fraud investigating, general corporate counseling, negotiations, etc. 

I started my company with $700 to my name 8 years ago when I was sick of working for $10.00 an hour and being told what to do. 

I deal with businesses all day every day.  I am the marketing, accounting, sales, CIO, CFO, CEO, etc. 

Most people who complain about capitilism usually have never run a business and really have no idea what its like to be on the other side of the desk.   



So you don't actually produce anything is that what you're saying? 

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2009, 11:24:51 AM »
I believe in capitilism.  its not perfect, but its the best system that results in the most wealth for most people. 

As for myself, i do commercial debt collection, mechanic's liens, bodd claims, fraud investigating, general corporate counseling, negotiations, etc. 

I started my company with $700 to my name 8 years ago when I was sick of working for $10.00 an hour and being told what to do. 

I deal with businesses all day every day.  I am the marketing, accounting, sales, CIO, CFO, CEO, etc. 

Most people who complain about capitilism usually have never run a business and really have no idea what its like to be on the other side of the desk.   



And capitalism only works if the system is honest and efficient.  Otherwise if it is abused it acts to suppress the exact ideals it was supposed to implement.  That's the whole problem......overall the corporate world along with its government counterpart is full of liars, cheats, greedy fucks who don't give a fuck about anyone least of all the greater good of the country.  It's obvious and will only get worse as globalization spreads. 

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2009, 11:28:19 AM »
So you don't actually produce anything is that what you're saying? 

I dont make widgets, but I perform a service and function that most businesses simply cant do internally and my services are in high demand and are offered at a competitive rate in the markeplace.  

I saw a need in my area that was unmet and went after it.  I cold call, went door to door, etc and got a ton of clients based on my talent to do what I do.  I didnt need a govt handout, a govt job credit, or any other govt subsidy, just determination and perseverance.    

I would never set up a mfg plant in this country with our disgusting govt.  Are you crazy?  Between the EPA, Unions, IRS, etc, you would have to be nuts to make anything here.  

This is why I LMAO at the crybabies saying we need to unleash the govt on corps for shipping jobs overseas.  The govt is the main driver of UE and jobs going overseas in the first place.

With the new EPA ruling, you wait and see what happens.  UE is going to go much higher.  

Businesses are simply not going to be pinatas for greedy pigs in govt like Obama/Gore/Schumer/Pelosi, etc    They simply will pick up and leave, as they should.    
 

    

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Re: Does Obama want another Terrorist Attack on NYC?
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2009, 11:30:23 AM »
And capitalism only works if the system is honest and efficient.  Otherwise if it is abused it acts to suppress the exact ideals it was supposed to implement.  That's the whole problem......overall the corporate world along with its government counterpart is full of liars, cheats, greedy fucks who don't give a fuck about anyone least of all the greater good of the country.  It's obvious and will only get worse as globalization spreads. 

This is why the idea of moral hazard needs to come back.  Too Big Too Fail is evil IMHO. 

Companies that screw up need to go away, not subsidized.  This is why I was against TARP and all the other bailouts.  Those criminals need a jail cell, not a bailout. 

Same with GM, AIG, etc.