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I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« on: December 14, 2009, 06:21:04 AM »
to see Sarah Palin on this massive PR tour, doing shows, selling books, talking etc.  The part that I find annoying is that she walked away from her job as Governor to do this?  I mean really?  I can't respect anyone who does that.  I know 333 or someone else will bring up some other politician as an excuse, whatever.  I just cannot believe she gets a pass on this?  Really?  And yes I would say the same thing if she were a dem.  I just find this completely self serving and wrong.  What does it say that she knew she'd be able to get away with it without criticsm from the right?  I would have had a lot more respect for her if she put her time in as governor and gained a deserved political resume.  She's hot and all but this shit amazes me.  I can't fathom the right doesn't care about this :-\

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 06:24:55 AM »
She's hot and all

That's why the right doesn't care about her actions, her lack of qualifications, her ditzyness, her history as a quitter, etc...

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 06:29:53 AM »
She quit as governor because the dumb ass piss ant dems kept bringing lawsuits against her[every one defeated time and again by the way].She was going broke.Should someone remain as governor or any job for that matter,only to go broke paying for lawyers?Fighting lies and lawsuits by little limp wristed guys?

I have no problem with her making money.Al Gore has used his position of power,to make up a global warming theory thats been proven a hoax,and used it to scare America and make millions off of it.I find that FAR more bothersome.


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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 06:34:16 AM »
to see Sarah Palin on this massive PR tour, doing shows, selling books, talking etc.  The part that I find annoying is that she walked away from her job as Governor to do this?  I mean really?  I can't respect anyone who does that.  I know 333 or someone else will bring up some other politician as an excuse, whatever.  I just cannot believe she gets a pass on this?  Really?  And yes I would say the same thing if she were a dem.  I just find this completely self serving and wrong.  What does it say that she knew she'd be able to get away with it without criticsm from the right?  I would have had a lot more respect for her if she put her time in as governor and gained a deserved political resume.  She's hot and all but this shit amazes me.  I can't fathom the right doesn't care about this :-\

Hugo - did you read her book?  

I cant believe i have to describe this AGAIN.  

Right after the election, the lefting bloggers and others started flooding the govt with FOIL requests, bogus ethics charges, etc.  According to Alskan law, she was on the hook personally for all of the costs born by the state in dealing with it.  By June, she already was in debt of over 500k and her attorneys told her that amount would grow exponentially.  She was not wealthy before this.  

They also bvasically shut downt eh govt since almost off of the resources of the govs office had to be used to deal with FOIL requests and dealing with this crap.  

Her kid Piper was stalked at school by reporters, the AP pitched a tent or some crazy shuit behind her house.  

Security guards caught one reporter stalking her house in the woods.  

She discussed the situation on how it was affecting her family and she discussed it with all of them first.  She said she knows exactly how it looks and discussed it at length in the book.

Instead of buying into the typical MSM talking points, why dont you read the book and judge for yourself?  

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 06:36:39 AM »
And she quit as Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Dog Catcher, Soccer Mom, etc....   whatever else job she had, she has quit.  The weakest excuse is talking about quitting because of lawsuits when the history of being a quitter was established long before she even became gov.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 06:37:04 AM »
She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.

She broke that vow for personal profit.

It's that simple.  She took the $ and ran.  

And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit.  He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles.  Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her.  Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.  

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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 06:38:48 AM »
She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.

She broke that vow for personal profit.

It's that simple.  She took the $ and ran.  

And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit.  He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles.  Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her.  Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.  

Thats pure fucking bs 240.  She didnt take an oath to be personally bankrupted for left wing assholed to shut downt he govt.  Thats utter nonsense and you know it. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 06:39:39 AM »
It's the left wing fault she quit all those other positions and colleges too?

Amazing!

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 06:40:12 AM »
And she quit as Mayor, Energy Commissioner, Dog Catcher, Soccer Mom, etc....   whatever else job she had, she has quit.  The weakest excuse is talking about quitting because of lawsuits when the history of being a quitter was established long before she even became gov.

She quit as mayor?She ran for a higher office.By your definition Obama quit as community organiser,state senator and senator.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 06:42:03 AM »
well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her.  I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 06:42:20 AM »
"Thats pure fucking bs 240.  She didnt take an oath to be personally bankrupted for left wing assholed to shut downt he govt.  Thats utter nonsense and you know it.  "

Okay, I will not argue that.  

Will you accept lurker's point that she had a long history of quitting jobs?

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 06:42:59 AM »
well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her.  I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.

Ugh - he was disbarred for committing perjury in a civil trial remember? 

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 06:45:27 AM »
She took a vow to serve 4 years as a public official.

She broke that vow for personal profit.

It's that simple.  She took the $ and ran.  

And to your points 33, I understand that sucked for her - but Obama went thru the same shit.  He had the media attached to his life for 2+ years... and he had nutbags showing up at his events with open-carry rifles.  Aside from that tomato douchebag, at least people aren't threatening her.  Obama has had plenty of media scrutiny - mainly, the #1 news channel personally dedicated to dissing him 24/7.  

What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out.

As far as the guns go,one guy was anti-government guy who left LONG before Obama got there and the other one was a black that was an Obama supporter.Now,did Obama fear he would be bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits,I dont recall that.Did Obamas kids get attacked?I dont recall that.Please dont even try to compare the treatment of Palin to the worship of Obama including "newsmen" getting tingles up their legs when hearing him speak.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 06:46:05 AM »
why don't you guys get the facts here for us to all look at.  Lets list these lawsuits and the details.  Not from Hannity's webpage either.  I want to see this leftwing conspiracy to break her financially from the legal sources.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 06:47:05 AM »
LOL... another palin thread... it must be monday

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 06:47:08 AM »
Ugh - he was disbarred for committing perjury in a civil trial remember? 
there was other shit too if I remember right.  He had a lot of shit to defend against.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 06:48:08 AM »
"What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out."

I Love it how you can brag about fox being the #1 piece of the media.  Then, completely exclude them.  They are an anti-Obama network.  They're #1 in cable news. 


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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 06:48:10 AM »
LOL... another palin thread... it must be monday
I think this is my first palin thread since the election.  and like I said, I don't mean to pile on, this just bugged me that she walks away from office for personal gain.

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 06:48:49 AM »
240 - read this and educate yourself.  If you still want to parrot left wing MSNBC talking points, fine.  
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Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs
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People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.

Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."

This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.

"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."

Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.

Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.

Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."

But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."

All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.

In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.

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Re: I don't mean to pile on, but this is bothersome.
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 06:50:38 AM »
And I think with the support she has, she could have raised the money to pay for legal issues, if they were really that bad.  easily......  especially if the storyline is that the evil dems are breaking her bank.  no no no, this is about more.  and she needed the time to get what she wants.  Serving as gov was in her way.  I have a problem with that.

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 06:50:58 AM »
Why did she walk away from her other jobs?  She quit.  Plain and simple.

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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 06:51:24 AM »
well as predicted her supporters are willing to latch on to whatever they can to excuse her.  I'm sure these guys didn't care one bit about breaking Clinton's bank account by the end of his presidency.

Well,dont include me in that.I thought what happened to him was disgraceful.I thought it was a MAJOR failing of the right.I opposed Clinton based on his politics,BUT he was much better then the average dem.

Now,I will say the day he walked out of the Church with that great big Bible under his arm was disgusting and the night he mouther "I love you " to Hillary while his spooge was drying on Lewinskis dress was outrageous.But what happened to him was a disgusting spectacle by republicans.

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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 06:52:13 AM »
240 - read this and educate yourself.  If you still want to parrot left wing MSNBC talking points, fine.  
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Why Palin Quit
Death by a Thousand FOIAs
www.wsj.com

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People close to Sarah Palin say national political reporters and pundits have missed the real reasons for her surprising decision to resign as Alaska governor. The national media have dismissed or downplayed her real motives, which had little to do with any plans to run for president in 2012.

Contrary to most reports, her decision had been in the works for months, accelerating recently as it became clear that controversies and endless ethics investigations were threatening to overshadow her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," someone close to the governor told me. "She was fully aware she would be branded a 'quitter.' She did not want to disappoint her constituents, but she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do. Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."

This situation developed because Alaska's transparency laws allow anyone to file Freedom of Information Act requests. While normally useful, in the hands of political opponents FOIA requests can become a means to bog down a target in a bureaucratic quagmire, thanks to the need to comb through records and respond by a strict timetable. Similarly, ethics investigations are easily triggered and can drag on for months even if the initial complaint is flimsy. Since Ms. Palin returned to Alaska after the 2008 campaign, some 150 FOIA requests have been filed and her office has been targeted for investigation by everyone from the FBI to the Alaska legislature. Most have centered on Ms. Palin's use of government resources, and to date have turned up little save for a few state trips that she agreed to reimburse the state for because her children had accompanied her. In the process, though, she accumulated $500,000 in legal fees in just the last nine months, and knew the bill would grow ever larger in the future.

"The Alaska ethics elves had painted such a target on Sarah's forehead that she had begun turning down pretty much every invitation she got -- even though they were pouring in every day by the dozens," a confidant of the governor's told me. "It is not throwing in the towel. It is deciding that she was ineffective in fighting for her principles and could do more in another role."

Family considerations also played a role. Ms. Palin gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome in 2008, and also has a six-year old. Everyone in the family was weary of endless personal attacks, including mean-spirited suggestions on liberal blogs that all of her children should have been aborted and that she would run on a presidential platform promoting retardation.

Governor Palin tried hunkering down. She ignored offers of help from outside and kept media outlets at a distance. "Palin had become so suspicious of the media that she rejected hundreds of requests by even friendly reporters to interview her. Her press aides say that before considering interviews, she insists that they comb through reporters' work, even if they write for a friendly, conservative publication," writes Ron Kessler of NewsMax.com. I can also attest to the difficulty of reaching Governor Palin's staff and getting simple requests answered -- the problem is that such standoffishness can sometimes result in more negative coverage rather than less.

Karl Rove acknowledges the unusual battering Ms. Palin has endured in recent months, but told Fox News that GOP leaders are still puzzled by her decision. "If she wanted to escape the ethics investigations and save the taxpayers money, she's now done that," he said. Unfortunately, he added, her decision "sent a signal that if you do this kind of thing to a sitting governor like her, you can drive her out of office."

But Palin friends say such commentary misses the real point. "The Beltway media can't understand someone not consumed with presidential ambition," one told me. "Maybe Sarah Palin won't run for president and maybe her family situation made it tougher to handle the barrage of attacks that come with that territory. The real issue that should be asked is why a mean-spirited system has to treat people who run like that, instead of why someone may choose not to go through it."

All good points, and they lead me to conclude that Ms. Palin mostly likely will not run for president -- in 2012, at least. She made many mistakes after suddenly being thrust into the national spotlight last year, but hasn't merited the sneering contempt visited upon her by national reporters. She simply was not their kind of feminist -- and they disdained the politically incorrect life choices she had made.

In helping to convince Sarah Palin that her road forward in national politics would demand even more sacrifices and pain than exacted from most politicians, the media did nothing to encourage women or people of modest means to participate in politics. By sidestepping her critics, Sarah Palin is now moving to another playing field where she has more control over the rules of the game. Her friends say her critics may call her a "quitter" now, but they should wait and see what new role she decides to fill. She may wind up having the last laugh.

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 06:52:35 AM »
Why did she walk away from her other jobs?  She quit.  Plain and simple.

Ok,as long as we agree that Obama is also a quitter.He quit as a community organiser[without helping the community by the way],he quit as state senator and quit as senator.

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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 06:55:23 AM »
"What are you talking about?Obama had the media up his ass to the point they never mentioned him sitting in a racist church for twenty years UNTIL FOX and the right put it out there.The media hasnt done a dam bit of investigating of him and only do it relunctantly after the right brings it out."

I Love it how you can brag about fox being the #1 piece of the media.  Then, completely exclude them.  They are an anti-Obama network.  They're #1 in cable news. 



So let me get this straight.ONE media outlet against ALL others combined from CBC,NBC,ABC,the cable stations,all the major newspapers,magazines.Good point.A cable outlet versus all others,very fair point there.