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Danimal77

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Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« on: December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM »
If Lee Haney looked like he did in the 1980's, but began competing in 1992, rather than 1982, how would he have fared in the placings?

This is kind of a throwback to the Dexter vs. Shawn Ray thread. Lee Haney DOMINATED from 1982/1983 up until 1991 (it was a close call that year). As of 1992, the competition was MUCH more competitive. So, if he had been one of the many new rookie pro's in 1982, how would he have fared throughout the 90's, next to guys like Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillett, Nasser, Cormier, Shawn Ray, etc?

Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, etc....

Discuss.....
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 11:17:01 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
If Lee Haney looked like he did in the 1980's, but began competing in 1992, rather than 1982, how would he have fared in the placings?

This is kind of a throwback to the Dexter vs. Shawn Ray thread. Lee Haney DOMINATED from 1982/1983 up until 1990. 1991 was shaky. As of 1992, the competition was MUCH more competitive. So, if he has been one of the many new rookie pro's in 1982, how would he have fared throughout the 90's, next to guys like Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillett, Nasser, Cormier, Shawn Ray, etc?

Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, etc....

Discuss.....

OK,OTHER THAN UR ASSESSMENT ON 91 SHAKY,OTHER WAY AROUND 1990 WAS SHAKY,1991 HE DESERVED IT OVER YATES.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 11:18:34 AM »
Quote from: njflex on December 14, 2009, 11:17:01 AM
OK,OTHER THAN UR ASSESSMENT ON 91 SHAKY,OTHER WAY AROUND 1990 WAS SHAKY,1991 HE DESERVED IT OVER YATES.

You are completely ignoring the fact that the entire field of competitors changed by 1992/1993 (enter the best Olympia line-up of all time). Forget about 1991 and deal with the actual question.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 11:38:48 AM »
he will still do well in his best shape but will NOT win 8 mr Os.......maybe not even 1.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 11:41:31 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
If Lee Haney looked like he did in the 1980's, but began competing in 1992, rather than 1982, how would he have fared in the placings?

This is kind of a throwback to the Dexter vs. Shawn Ray thread. Lee Haney DOMINATED from 1982/1983 up until 1991 (it was a close call that year). As of 1992, the competition was MUCH more competitive. So, if he had been one of the many new rookie pro's in 1982, how would he have fared throughout the 90's, next to guys like Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillett, Nasser, Cormier, Shawn Ray, etc?

Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, etc....

Discuss.....

he wouldnt be mr o,



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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 11:45:00 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:18:34 AM
You are completely ignoring the fact that the entire field of competitors changed by 1992/1993 (enter the best Olympia line-up of all time). Forget about 1991 and deal with the actual question.
DUDE OK,i'm not the one that fixed what he wrote u said 91 was shaky,then changed it to a close call after i wrote that it was the other way around.haney probably would have been top 3 to 5 for 92/97,i don't know with coleman then .
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 11:58:09 AM »
imagine haney facing prime shawn, flex, kevin, dorian, coleman, nasser etc..... he would not stand out at all

the bbers in the 90s (besides dorian)still had relatively pleasing waistlines.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 12:08:24 PM »
Would be hard for him - though he is/was more imposing because of his frame...
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 12:24:38 PM »
You can't take a guy out of his era and just plop him into another era. You don't know what that era's supplements/training techniques/etc. would necessarily do to his body. Bottom line, a few shaky Olympia wins aside, Haney did everything necessary to win against his peers, and even stepped up his game in his final Olympia. The other key factor is that Haney RETIRED at an age when most guys today are just starting out in the pro ranks. Who knows how Haney would have looked doing the pro thing into his late 30's/early 40's. He certainly had weaknesses, but they all do.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 12:59:16 PM »
The assumption that Haney couldn't match what Wheeler, Ray, Yates (whom Haney defeated) and others did is a bit absurd.



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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 01:17:31 PM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, Bertil Fox murdered his girlfriend and her mother, etc....

Discuss.....

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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 01:20:00 PM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
If Lee Haney looked like he did in the 1980's, but began competing in 1992, rather than 1982, how would he have fared in the placings?

This is kind of a throwback to the Dexter vs. Shawn Ray thread. Lee Haney DOMINATED from 1982/1983 up until 1991 (it was a close call that year). As of 1992, the competition was MUCH more competitive. So, if he had been one of the many new rookie pro's in 1982, how would he have fared throughout the 90's, next to guys like Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillett, Nasser, Cormier, Shawn Ray, etc?

Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, etc....

Discuss.....

all bb's pre-1991 SMOKE your nothingness heroes of today
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 03:18:32 PM »
Quote from: Bill Loguidice on December 14, 2009, 12:24:38 PM
You can't take a guy out of his era and just plop him into another era. You don't know what that era's supplements/training techniques/etc. would necessarily do to his body. Bottom line, a few shaky Olympia wins aside, Haney did everything necessary to win against his peers, and even stepped up his game in his final Olympia. The other key factor is that Haney RETIRED at an age when most guys today are just starting out in the pro ranks. Who knows how Haney would have looked doing the pro thing into his late 30's/early 40's. He certainly had weaknesses, but they all do.

Sure you can, if the guy in question was WAY AHEAD of his time and destroyed EVERYONE around him for almost an entire decade.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 03:21:37 PM »
Quote from: Bill Loguidice on December 14, 2009, 12:24:38 PM
You can't take a guy out of his era and just plop him into another era. You don't know what that era's supplements/training techniques/etc. would necessarily do to his body. Bottom line, a few shaky Olympia wins aside, Haney did everything necessary to win against his peers, and even stepped up his game in his final Olympia. The other key factor is that Haney RETIRED at an age when most guys today are just starting out in the pro ranks. Who knows how Haney would have looked doing the pro thing into his late 30's/early 40's. He certainly had weaknesses, but they all do.

You obviously misread, or didn't understand my initial scenario. Why are you referring to guys today are just starting out? I wasn't referring him to todays crop. I was comparing him to STARTING OUT at the same age he did in 1982, but transplant in 1992 instead and watch his evolution as it was, but in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's. EVERY ONE OF HIS COMPETITORS throughout the 90's would have been the same age as him, seeing he hasn't grown older. Do you get it now?
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 03:31:30 PM »
What's with this actual bodybuilding talk.  We are only supposed to post random youtube clips or weird photos or discuss hitting it.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 04:10:53 PM »
Quote from: lax on December 14, 2009, 01:20:00 PM
all bb's pre-1991 SMOKE your nothingness heroes of today

So, you're lumping the best bodybuilders of the 1990's with PRESENT DAY bodybuilders?

Okay..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 07:13:27 PM »
he would have a lot of trouble with Ronnie 8)
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 08:32:45 PM »
Quote from: Hulkster on December 14, 2009, 07:13:27 PM
he would have a lot of trouble with Ronnie 8)
Thats pretty messed up how much bigger Ronnie is than Lee. God damn Coleman was huge
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 09:41:43 PM »
Quote from: BigBuehl on December 14, 2009, 08:32:45 PM
Thats pretty messed up how much bigger Ronnie is than Lee. God damn Coleman was huge

DUDE, they are not standing next to each other. Haney was 5'11" and 250 pounds IN competition. He could have held his own against ALL THE BIG BOYS.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2009, 02:37:21 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:12:18 AM
If Lee Haney looked like he did in the 1980's, but began competing in 1992, rather than 1982, how would he have fared in the placings?

This is kind of a throwback to the Dexter vs. Shawn Ray thread. Lee Haney DOMINATED from 1982/1983 up until 1991 (it was a close call that year). As of 1992, the competition was MUCH more competitive. So, if he had been one of the many new rookie pro's in 1982, how would he have fared throughout the 90's, next to guys like Yates, Levrone, Wheeler, Dillett, Nasser, Cormier, Shawn Ray, etc?

Personally, I think Shawn Ray MURDERED Rich Gaspari. Charles Clairmonte murdered Berry Demey. Cormier murdered Mike Christian, etc....

Discuss.....

if he was the same shape as in the 80s but in the 90s sure he would have done somthing to be bigger to go with yates, nasser,.. etc.. but with the same shape of 91 for example it would have been very close between him and dorian in 92..
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2009, 02:41:21 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on December 14, 2009, 11:18:34 AM
You are completely ignoring the fact that the entire field of competitors changed by 1992/1993 (enter the best Olympia line-up of all time). Forget about 1991 and deal with the actual question.

aside of the lineup of mr. olympia 1992 yates himself was only 3 pounds more than his version of 1991 and i believe was nearly the same condition.. so yates was more or less the same in 91 and 92.. i believe lee could beat him again in 1992 or it would have been even closer than in 91.. but of course if lee was the same he wouldn't have done anything with yates in 1993!!.. it was going to be a strong battle between him and wheeler for 2nd!!..
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2009, 02:46:11 AM »
BLAH BLAH BLAH NASSER BLAH BLAH DORIAN BLAH BLAH RONNIE'S LATS....YADDA YADDA....
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2009, 03:04:22 AM »
good observation, i think Haney would never be as sucessfull as he did in other times...
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2009, 03:15:52 AM »
IF Haney was so damn good, why did he call it quits after the 91 Mr. O? He barely beat Dorian. Did Haney sense that a new era was upon him? A era of Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kevin, Chris, Dillett, Nasser, Ronnie, Charles, Darrem, Priest, Sherman, Vince. The roster of those top guys would beat anything that Haney had to put up with.
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Re: Scenario: If Lee Haney competed in the 1990's, NOT the 1980's
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2009, 03:20:39 AM »
Quote from: Parker on December 15, 2009, 03:15:52 AM
IF Haney was so damn good, why did he call it quits after the 91 Mr. O? He barely beat Dorian. Did Haney sense that a new era was upon him? A era of Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Kevin, Chris, Dillett, Nasser, Ronnie, Charles, Darrem, Priest, Sherman, Vince. The roster of those top guys would beat anything that Haney had to put up with.

i agree he retired after his tough battle with dorian in 91 in order not to take the risk of ending his career with a defeat in 92!!.. i respect him for this..
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