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Nassergate
« on: December 16, 2009, 09:31:40 AM »
the 1997 olympia is what i call the 'nassergate' incident, this year Mr El sonbaty obviously should have won the mr o.

here is an nasser training article from 1995:

Pec Up the Pace - Build Big Pecs / Chest

To build a champion's chest, every season must be a growing season.

Contrary to what we like to believe, progress is really an evolution toward greater simplicity rather than complexity, and this has been especially evident in bodybuilding during the past few years.

Not too long ago, we were obsessed with details, with off season vs. pre contest training, with precision training regimens, with keeping computerized records so detailed that we collapsed into bed at night exhausted more from mental than physical fatigue. Lately, however, we've discovered that such detail work does more to stifle our growth than enhance it. Quite simply, by obeying all those rules, we are not giving ourselves room to stretch our physical boundaries.

I got in on the tail end of that complicated style of bodybuilding and gradually but modestly improved. As soon as I started training the way I really wanted to, however, I seemed to grow visibly by the day. It was as if I had been set free.

NO SUCH THING AS OFF-SEASON

Perhaps the best example of these liberating changes can be seen in my chest training. In the past, I never would have thought of letting my off-season training creep over into my pre-contest period by even one day. There was off-sea on and the was pre-contest, and never did the two meet.

Now, there is no such thing as off-season and pre contest chest training for me. There's only chest training, and that means lifting as heavy as I can every time I enter the gym. I train this way right up to a show. During pre-contest, the only difference I make is adding a couple more cable movements in the hope that they will accelerate my definition. Still, my philosophy is: Where there was once a season for growing and a season for getting cut, there is no only one season that lasts for 12 months, and that season is for growth. Period.

While before I carefully mapped out high-and low-repetition cycles, now I think only in terms of low reps. Those are the only ones that do any good, so summer, winter autumn, whoever, I keep my reps at six.

I don't even work my muscle-groups in a set order anymore, although I do train each body part only once a week, except for calves and abs, which I hit three times weekly. Other than that, it doesn't' matter which muscle group I trained the previous day. My training, as well as my body, is organic, I give it room to progress naturally.

CHEST COMES FIRST

Usually I find myself training chest with various other muscle groups for a number of reasons. Often, I do chest with shoulders, because these two body parts are complimentary. But for precisely the opposite reason, you will sometimes find me training chest with biceps and forearms, because they do not affect each other. Likewise, I train chest with hamstrings and calves, because neither detracts from the other. Whichever combinations I use, I always hit chest first in the workout, because it should be allocated all the power and energy I can give it.

Instead of isolating my pectorals, I do just the opposite. Building barrel-like chest mass is a function of three different muscle-groups; pectorals, deltoids and triceps. The pecs are the specific muscles I want to grow, but they cannot do so without extensively involving the delts and triceps. Therefore, my chest workout always begins with cable crossovers to warm up my pecs, dumbbell laterals to warm up my shoulders and cable pushdowns to warm up my triceps -- all for three or four sets of 15-20 reps.

These days, I'm trying to improve my upper chest, so I do incline barbell presses first in my chest routine. Nothing strict here; in fact, quite the opposite. I bring the weight down slowly, tightening as I go, then power it back to the top with a controlled explosion. My sets pyramid upward through as many as I feel necessary to get to my heaviest weight, where I then do three sets of six reps, just as I do with inclines.

Then it's back to another pushing movement, either flat dumbbell presses or dips, for three sets of eight. Often, I alternate these each workout.

For every muscle group, I like to finish with a cable movement for three sets of 15 reps. Up to this point, my entire workout has utilized heavy basic power movements, which consequently can affect my control over my chest muscles toward the end of my routine. Cables allow me to regain that control and work the muscles with continuous tension though the full range of motion.

Not only do cable movements during the off season help me maintain some level of cuts for a future contest, but they also allow me to leave the gym with the sensation of having my chest flushed with blood. I like that.

Other than that one cable movement, I prefer to face the torture of brutal training. I'm in the gym by 4:30 every morning, sometimes by 4, not because I want to, but because it tests my character. That, I think, is absolutely necessary. You can't take the easy way and be successful. You have to do more than anyone else is willing to do. You must make yourself go that extra distance.

I have no choice. I'm not so genetically gifted that I can attain success through casual effort. If I want to be exceptional, I need to push myself to be exceptional. I can take pride in myself when I do that.

Sometimes I feel as though I'm a slave to my psyche, in the sense that I'm always trying to satisfy my hunger for hard training. For instance, I always have to train heavy. If I don't -- even if I train very hard but sue moderate weights -- I feel as though I'm shrinking. In fact, I'm convinced I actually do shrink. Scientifically, it makes sense. At my degree of mass and density, the margin for hardness is more critical In other words I may lose my hardness faster than someone who is smaller.

Let's face it: a person can reach his maximum size only by using free weights, so it makes sense that if he stops using them, he will shrink back to the size he would have been without having used them.

Many bodybuilders claim it's not necessary to use free weights and train heavy; that if you do, you will hurt yourself, or at least experience pain. I think the real reason people train with machines rather than free weights is not because machines are better but because they are less painful to use.

Sorry, but I know I have to train till it hurts. If you want to be successful, you must cross the pain threshold, and free weights mean pain. No one likes pain, and I try to avoid it in my life, but only when it comes to bodybuilding.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 09:35:18 AM »
more nasser chest building tips:

"The secret to Nasser's chest workout? Alternating pressing exercises with flye movements, which he says is the best way to stimulate the deep muscle fibers. Still, you probably won't end up with an op-art chest like Nasser's, but you will be implementing yet another technique to pen your own pecs when you head to the gym.

"Use incline presses rather than flat-bench ones developing the upper-pec region is always harder, and most recreational bodybuilders share that flaw.
When doing dips - a seldom-used but effective way to develop chest thickness- Nasser suggests leaning forward and keeping your elbows wide, which targets the pecs more and lessens the muscular stress on the shoulders and triceps.
With a standing cable crossover, Nasser varies his hand position at the bottom of the movement. "Sometimes I do it like I'm hitting a most-muscular pose; on another set I'll do it right fist over left at about shoulder height. The important thing is to bring blood into the muscle and train the entire pectoral."

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 09:44:02 AM »
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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 09:45:03 AM »
"NasserGate", lol!

I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
But he never could have beaten a '95 Dorian....and even a '96 Dorian.
Bad timing.
He did have a good front upper body to show though.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 09:48:19 AM »
"NasserGate", lol!

I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
He did have a good front upper body to show though.


yes i think the nassergate incident is one of the big injustices in bodybuilding, sadly there has been many many strange decisions through the years, yes bodybuilding is subjective but alot of it has to do with politics too. in the end the fans will always cast the final verdict.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 09:49:45 AM »
ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(
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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 09:51:13 AM »
nasser on bench pressing:

"When asked how much he benched (one nassers fav questions);
"... that is a popular question many ask and I must tell you I have no idea. I do many exercises with fairly heavy wts  that are better for chest development than benching, which I think is overrated. If one is really interested in bench pressing power they should go to bench and power meets. To me bodybuilding is all about useing wts as tools , not see how much you can lift 1 time. While it is true  that you will lift more wt as you gain size, it is not the end all goal. Getting BIG muscles is the goal."


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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2009, 09:52:20 AM »
ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(

i do, this is why i discuss it  ;)

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2009, 09:56:17 AM »
i do, this is why i discuss it  ;)
OK THEN  ;D
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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 10:00:04 AM »
Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 10:07:03 AM »
Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.

i think you are being overdramatic, im a big nasser fan but posting on getbig doesnt effect my goals in life whatsoever  ;)

also it fuels my own workouts. other people take pre workout drinks me..i save my money and drink cholocale milk and a sandwich and discuss bodybuilding for my own inspiration

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2009, 10:20:05 AM »
I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2009, 10:22:23 AM »
I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.

how so? alot of bodybuilders are being discussed on this site..not only nasser. there is something for everyone  :D

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2009, 10:31:42 AM »
You obviously have`nt been around here long enough to understand.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2009, 10:37:07 AM »
Trying to rewrite history (and Bodybuilding history for a matter of fact-I'll just let you imagine how important that is) on a internet forum day in day out.....c'mon, admit it, you need to reconsider your goals in life.

So all the random-BS-non-bodybuilding posts people make day in and day out on getbig suggests their goals in life are fine, but when you start posting about Nasser on a bodybuilding forum or past contests then you need to "reconsider your goals in life"  ::)

Otherwise, great thread nolotil!  I remember this article, it had cool pictures in it too, I think of one of Nasser doing heavy flyes with 100+ lbs, the stack on cable crossovers, and 405 lb incline barbell presses.

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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2009, 10:38:40 AM »
I used to like Nasser until all the "Nassholes" on the board kept posting about him non stop 10 years after the fact.

There are many topics here that are discussed lots - like the Dorian Yates camp, the Ronnie Coleman camp, even non-bodybuilding topics like Johnny Falcon starting numerous threads for years on olive oil and OJ, yet I haven't seen you complain about those?

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 11:46:15 AM »
nasser on bench pressing:

"When asked how much he benched (one nassers fav questions);
"... that is a popular question many ask and I must tell you I have no idea. I do many exercises with fairly heavy wts  that are better for chest development than benching, which I think is overrated. If one is really interested in bench pressing power they should go to bench and power meets. To me bodybuilding is all about useing wts as tools , not see how much you can lift 1 time. While it is true  that you will lift more wt as you gain size, it is not the end all goal. Getting BIG muscles is the goal."



Epic 315 max hahahahahahaha.

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 08:22:01 PM »
"NasserGate", lol!

I agree he could have (or even maybe should have won) but that people still argue about it (and with valid points on both sides) says a lot about how uncertain the issue of that O edition was in reality.
And the fact is that Nasser didn't show up that fantastic that year, he was better in both '95 and '96 with less mass but better conditioning (specially from his problematic back).
But he never could have beaten a '95 Dorian....and even a '96 Dorian.
Bad timing.
He did have a good front upper body to show though.

i agree that nasser was better in 95 and especially 96 than 97 but you are wrong to say he carried more mass in 97 than 96!!.. in 96 he was more than 280 pounds while in 97 he was 270!!..

and what about his front lowerbody? ::) his quads were clearly better than dorian's from the front and also from the side.. his hams too were bigger and more separated.. beside back dorian had him only in calves, both had great calves but imo dorian's can be considered the best calves ever!..

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 08:25:19 PM »
yes i should have mentioned that nasser def also won in 96...he was in very good conditioned and totally blew dorian out of the water in all muscle groups except back and calves (both have great calves)

so maybe more correct to call 97 nassergate chapter 2 (or even 3)

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2009, 08:27:01 PM »
yes i should have mentioned that nasser def also won in 96...he was in very good conditioned and totally blew dorian out of the water in all muscle groups except back and calves (both have great calves)

so maybe more correct to call 97 nassergate chapter 2 (or even 3)

have you checked the facebook page i made about nasser? ;D

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2009, 08:33:39 PM »
have you checked the facebook page i made about nasser? ;D

yes, not all of it yet tho  ;)..also researching old posts of team nasser on getbig!

other research object is reading posts by a charchter called gh15...i really like his posts. he knows bodybuilding inside and out. tip top knowledge

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2009, 09:47:10 PM »
more nasser chest building tips:

"The secret to Nasser's chest workout? Alternating pressing exercises with flye movements, which he says is the best way to stimulate the deep muscle fibers. Still, you probably won't end up with an op-art chest like Nasser's, but you will be implementing yet another technique to pen your own pecs when you head to the gym.

"Use incline presses rather than flat-bench ones developing the upper-pec region is always harder, and most recreational bodybuilders share that flaw.
When doing dips - a seldom-used but effective way to develop chest thickness- Nasser suggests leaning forward and keeping your elbows wide, which targets the pecs more and lessens the muscular stress on the shoulders and triceps.
With a standing cable crossover, Nasser varies his hand position at the bottom of the movement. "Sometimes I do it like I'm hitting a most-muscular pose; on another set I'll do it right fist over left at about shoulder height. The important thing is to bring blood into the muscle and train the entire pectoral."
Yeah I remember that article and I have done that ever since training chest. Seems like a small detail but I think it makes a difference

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2009, 09:58:40 PM »
ITS 2009 WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE 90S >:(

i give a shit and some pee too :-X

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Re: Nassergate
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2009, 10:03:49 PM »
There are many topics here that are discussed lots - like the Dorian Yates camp, the Ronnie Coleman camp, even non-bodybuilding topics like Johnny Falcon starting numerous threads for years on olive oil and OJ, yet I haven't seen you complain about those?

hahahhahahahahahaaaaa... also that guy disturba who makes a new thread about any tiny detail in his life, when he scratches he ass he makes a thread to let ppl know ::)