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There'll be nowhere to run from the new world government

'Global' thinking won't necessarily solve the world's problems, says Janet Daley
 

By Janet Daley
Published: 7:24PM GMT 19 Dec 2009



The committee to save the world: Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown and other leaders at the Copenhagen climate talks Photo: AFP/GETTY

There is scope for debate – and innumerable newspaper quizzes – about who was the most influential public figure of the year, or which the most significant event. But there can be little doubt which word won the prize for most important adjective. 2009 was the year in which "global" swept the rest of the political lexicon into obscurity. There were "global crises" and "global challenges", the only possible resolution to which lay in "global solutions" necessitating "global agreements". Gordon Brown actually suggested something called a "global alliance" in response to climate change. (Would this be an alliance against the Axis of Extra-Terrestrials?)

Some of this was sheer hokum: when uttered by Gordon Brown, the word "global", as in "global economic crisis", meant: "It's not my fault". To the extent that the word had intelligible meaning, it also had political ramifications that were scarcely examined by those who bandied it about with such ponderous self-importance. The mere utterance of it was assumed to sweep away any consideration of what was once assumed to be the most basic principle of modern democracy: that elected national governments are responsible to their own people – that the right to govern derives from the consent of the electorate.
 
The dangerous idea that the democratic accountability of national governments should simply be dispensed with in favour of "global agreements" reached after closed negotiations between world leaders never, so far as I recall, entered into the arena of public discussion. Except in the United States, where it became a very contentious talking point, the US still holding firmly to the 18th-century idea that power should lie with the will of the people.

Nor was much consideration given to the logical conclusion of all this grandiose talk of global consensus as unquestionably desirable: if there was no popular choice about approving supranational "legally binding agreements", what would happen to dissenters who did not accept their premises (on climate change, for example) when there was no possibility of fleeing to another country in protest? Was this to be regarded as the emergence of world government? And would it have powers of policing and enforcement that would supersede the authority of elected national governments? In effect, this was the infamous "democratic deficit" of the European Union elevated on to a planetary scale. And if the EU model is anything to go by, then the agencies of global authority will involve vast tracts of power being handed to unelected officials. Forget the relatively petty irritations of Euro‑bureaucracy: welcome to the era of Earth-bureaucracy, when there will be literally nowhere to run.

But, you may say, however dire the political consequences, surely there is something in this obsession with global dilemmas. Economics is now based on a world market, and if the planet really is facing some sort of man-made climate crisis, then that too is a problem that transcends national boundaries. Surely, if our problems are universal the solutions must be as well.

Well, yes and no. Calling a problem "global" is meant to imply three different things: that it is the result of the actions of people in different countries; that those actions have impacted on the lives of everyone in the world; and that the remedy must involve pretty much identical responses or correctives to those actions. These are separate premises, any of which might be true without the rest of them necessarily being so. The banking crisis certainly had its roots in the international nature of finance, but the way it affected countries and peoples varied considerably according to the differences in their internal arrangements. Britain suffered particularly badly because of its addiction to public and private debt, whereas Australia escaped relatively unscathed.

That a problem is international in its roots does not necessarily imply that the solution must involve the hammering out of a uniform global prescription: in fact, given the differences in effects and consequences for individual countries, the attempt to do such hammering might be a huge waste of time and resources that could be put to better use devising national remedies. France and Germany seem to have pulled themselves out of recession over the past year (and the US may be about to do so) while Britain has not. These variations owe almost nothing to the pompous, overblown attempts to find global solutions: they are largely to do with individual countries, under the pressure of democratic accountability, doing what they decide is best for their own people.

This is not what Mr Brown calls "narrow self-interest", or "beggar my neighbour" ruthlessness. It is the proper business of elected national leaders to make judgments that are appropriate for the conditions of their own populations. It is also right that heads of nations refuse to sign up to "legally binding" global agreements which would disadvantage their own people. The resistance of the developing nations to a climate change pact that would deny them the kind of economic growth and mass prosperity to which advanced countries have become accustomed is not mindless selfishness: it is proper regard for the welfare of their own citizens.

The word "global" has taken on sacred connotations. Any action taken in its name must be inherently virtuous, whereas the decisions of individual countries are necessarily "narrow" and self-serving. (Never mind that a "global agreement" will almost certainly be disproportionately influenced by the most powerful nations.) Nor is our era so utterly unlike previous ones, for all its technological sophistication. We have always needed multilateral agreements, whether about trade, organised crime, border controls, or mutual defence.

If the impact of our behaviour on humanity at large is much greater or more rapid than ever before then we shall have to find ways of dealing with that which do not involve sacrificing the most enlightened form of government ever devised. There is a whiff of totalitarianism about this new theology, in which the risks are described in such cosmic terms that everything else must give way. "Globalism" is another form of the internationalism that has been a core belief of the Left: a commitment to class rather than country seemed an admirable antidote to the "blood and soil" nationalism that gave rise to fascism.

The nation-state has never quite recovered from the bad name it acquired in the last century as the progenitor of world war. But if it is to be relegated to the dustbin of history then we had better come up with new mechanisms for allowing people to have a say in how they are governed. Maybe that could be next year's global challenge.
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 05:04:34 AM »
Samnson:  Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk. 

Its not! 

Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.   

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2009, 07:41:31 AM »
33,

Please list the conspiracy theories which you believe to be true.

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 07:49:09 AM »
33,

Please list the conspiracy theories which you believe to be true.

This is not a CT since they are telling you that its true.  Look at my thread about Gordon Brown calling for a global police force for green issues. 

Its no longer a CT. 

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 08:40:54 AM »
Samnson:  Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk. 

Its not! 

Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.   

Sorry, still snickering over how we were supposed to lose out sovereignty in early December. 

Please  define the resulting "One World Government" as you fear it's going to happen.  And I will start taking a serious look at it.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 08:48:56 AM »
Sorry, still snickering over how we were supposed to lose out sovereignty in early December. 

Please  define the resulting "One World Government" as you fear it's going to happen.  And I will start taking a serious look at it.

This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo.  You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.

This is going to be a process, not an event.  People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions.  Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb?  They know mass riots and CW will occur.  Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc. 

We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand.  And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted. 

This is the frog in the ever heating water situation.  Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly?  They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.     


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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2009, 08:56:47 AM »
This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo.  You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.

This is going to be a process, not an event.  People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions.  Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb?  They know mass riots and CW will occur.  Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc. 

We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand.  And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted. 

This is the frog in the ever heating water situation.  Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly?  They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.     



What you wrote there sounds just like a fear based CT.

Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us.  I promise i will look at with an open mind.

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 09:00:29 AM »
Samnson:  Ozmo and others think this is all crazy CT talk. 

Its not! 

Its quickly underway and the Hope & Changers refuse to accept reality of what is occuring.   

333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 09:03:57 AM »
333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.

Like when we ceded sovereignty?   ::)


Interesting how a basement dwelling moonbot is calling other people retards.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2009, 09:05:06 AM »
This is where you need to open your eyes Ozmo.  You wont allow yourself to consider the ways this will occur unless it fits in with your pre-conceived notions.

This is going to be a process, not an event.  People like yourself are expecting a summit where 10 leaders will be on a stage and make an affirmative announcement of their true intentions.  Do you really think these NWO types are that dumb?  They know mass riots and CW will occur.  Instead, they do is under the guise of "green movement", "global initiaves", "global criminal courts", etc. 

We are not going to have a 9/11 style video for tv for this, its done by slight of hand.  And btw, the only reason why nothing happened at Dopenhagen was because the Chinese are afraid they would be able to get paid what we owe them if we sign on to some traitorous treaty like obama, Brown and the others wanted. 

This is the frog in the ever heating water situation.  Why do something rash and cause a huge outrage, when obama and the other NWO types know there are people like yourself who will accept anything so long as it is packaged correctly?  They will get you to accept their entire agenda voluntarily and you wont even realize it since your mind is closed to what is occuring right now.     



###: Ozmo only has one eye just like his avatar and that one eye is clouded with stupidity, so he CAN NOT open his eyes to reality. Some people learn by being taught, some learn by experience...others must suffer repercussions of their disbelief to learn....sad
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 09:07:36 AM »
333: Ozmo and the others are RETARDS. I wish i could see their faces when all of this shi* suddenly comes into being and they are caught out there wondering what to do, but more importantly saying to themselves "you know I was warned of this stuff and I did not believe.... what am I gonna do now". I would just love to see that moment on their faces.

Samson - its not going to be one day, or one week, its a slow tyranny that is creeping.  

People are expecting some made for TV moment and dont realize that while they suck down beers and watch the NFL on the weekend, major things are afoot that are completely blind to.  

Its incemental crap like "green police", or "Global Carbon Emissions Agreements" or crap like Pelosi was pushing "Global financial transaction tax" or "international criminal court" and crap like that.  

 

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 09:11:19 AM »
Like when we ceded sovereignty?   ::)


Interesting how a basement dwelling moonbot is calling other people retards.

Is the basement somehow worst than the padded cell and wrap around jacket you wear? How do you manage to use a keyboard or computer in that environment?
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 09:20:13 AM »
Is the basement somehow worst than the padded cell and wrap around jacket you wear? How do you manage to use a keyboard or computer in that environment?

You mean the same wrap around jacket that won't allow to see the moon landing hoax?  Or the Queen's soverienty over the USA?   ::)

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 09:46:10 AM »
You mean the same wrap around jacket that won't allow to see the moon landing hoax?  Or the Queen's soverienty over the USA?   ::)

HAHAAHAHAAH (laughing at you Dijjal)... you better read your response again. you just admited the moon landing was a hoax and the queen has sovereignty over america.
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 10:36:41 AM »
"Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us.  I promise i will look at with an open mind."

I would like to hear this as well, 333386.

A list of tangible things that will happen.  Not the alex jones screaming - but a list of events, decisions, effects, etc. 

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2009, 10:58:04 AM »
Funny how instead of listing out how it's going to happen or providing ONE fact, 333 and Samson have resorted to tag teaming each other and giving high fives out. Stop skirting around the topic. You moonbots always claim to be in the know yet can never produce when asked to.

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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2009, 11:07:52 AM »
Funny how instead of listing out how it's going to happen or providing ONE fact, 333 and Samson have resorted to tag teaming each other and giving high fives out. Stop skirting around the topic. You moonbots always claim to be in the know yet can never produce when asked to.

How is it happening?

1.  Pelosi introduces global financial tax.
2.  Brown calling for global "green police"
3.  But for the chinese screaming - we almost had a binding intl agreement on bogus emissions etc.
4.  Intl crinimal court. 
5.  "Global" financal regulations.

Etc etc. 

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2009, 11:21:44 AM »
How will any of this change lives of regular americans?

I mean, I was the biggest CTer out there from 2005 til 2007, you guys all know that.

Then one day, I realized that despite all the worry and stressing, nothing really changed in the world.  Sure, I invested a little wiser and I have enough peanut butter and ammo for a rainy day... but aside from that, checking prison planet every day for martial law or iran attack... stressing stuff like that... it ended up being a waste of time for me.

I'm far more worried about the 4 kids who home invaded in my city 2 nights ago then shot it out with cops... I'm far more worried about the d-bag who threw white powder at a crowd at the walmart in my town the next morning. 

I honestly don't worry about that global shit because hell, if it's real, won't no amount of bitching on message boards stop it.  If it's true, it's a ballgame played well above our heads anyway.

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2009, 12:28:23 PM »
"Just list it out (facts, new decisions agreements, etc...) and what the ultimate conclusion will be and how it will look and affect us.  I promise i will look at with an open mind."

I would like to hear this as well, 333386.

A list of tangible things that will happen.  Not the alex jones screaming - but a list of events, decisions, effects, etc. 

Even if listed in explicit detail with times and dates you would still deny it, so why bother. You're right in the midst of CLIMATEGATE and you still believe nothing will come of it
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2009, 02:01:22 PM »
  Revelations 13:15-17:

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2009, 04:24:33 PM »
My arsenal and I are running to 33's to join up with him and his arsenal.  After that, running time will be over...and ass-kicking time will begin.   ;D

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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2009, 04:32:19 PM »
  Revelations 13:15-17:

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


99 percent of those on this board don't even understand what this passage means..but nice that you posted it in order to add to the credibility of what is coming into the world.
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run From The New World Order Government
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2009, 07:28:42 PM »
Samson, quick question. Was your thread title a freudian slip, or a subliminal command?   :P

Which side are you on?  ;)
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Re: There Will Be No Where To Run Form The New World Order Government
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2009, 09:49:27 PM »
Well basically all Samson can do is Ad Hom style attacks because he doesn't have the goods to man up and back up his assertions.  No surprise here.

In the mean time 333333, WE ARE ALL STILL WAITING FOR SOMETHING CONCRETE. 

Did everything you list already pass? 

Is there a global green police?

Is there a global tax?

Is this it?  Is this all you have?