Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy

[Joel_A]

It's funny that Mayweather NEVER once asked for blood tests with any other fighter he's faced, yet he's claiming he isn't scared of Pacquiao. Hilarious.

Manny should just walk away and go jump another weight class and have 8 titles. He doesn't need Floyd. Who the fuck does he think he is? Pacquiao NEVER failed a drug test, ever.

[big L dawg]

It's funny that Mayweather NEVER once asked for blood tests with any other fighter he's faced, yet he's claiming he isn't scared of Pacquiao. Hilarious.

Manny should just walk away and go jump another weight class and have 8 titles. He doesn't need Floyd. Who the fuck does he think he is? Pacquiao NEVER failed a drug test, ever.

x2...floyds way of being a control freak he never wanted to fight pacman...

[regmac]

Lucky none of Golden Boy promotions have ever taken steroids or admitted to using EPO.

Shane didn't know.   He just swallowed whatever he was givin.

[big L dawg]

This fight is going down no matter what. This is just fight hype. Mayweather agreed to the 10 million for every pound if he's over. They have the venue. The World wants to see this fight. The profits are going to be beyond compare. Whatever Manny takes I bet Mayweather is on the same shit. Come on Boys lets get it on! Manny by TKO.

I hope your right...However If this fight doesn't happen I believe it could be the final nail in the coffin of what has been a dying sport for some time now....this Is exactly the reason I jumped ship on boxing nearly 10 years ago in favor of MMA....to much politics and corruption in boxing...

I just seen them discussing it on ESPN....they said shame on both camps if this fight doesn't happen....they also said Manny doesn't want to give blood the day of the fight (which is understandable)but would give urine...

Floyd wants to end his career undefeated & doesn't want to fight the best out there and risk that..I got a buddy at work that I have been telling for years that Floyd was ducking pacman...thats why when he came up & told me Floyd & pacman Had agreed to fight I told him I'll believe it when I see them both in the ring.....

[Purple Aki]

Shane didn't know.   He just swallowed whatever he was givin.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2008/12/02/2008-12-02_sugar_shane_mosley_told_grand_jury_of_ep.html

'Sugar' Shane Mosley told grand jury of EPO use
BY Teri Thompson and Nathaniel Vinton
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITERS

Updated Wednesday, December 3rd 2008, 7:32 PM
 
How/GettyShane Mosley shows power in ring, but grand jury transcripts show him admitting using EPO.  Related NewsBoxer "Sugar" Shane Mosley testified in 2003 that he injected himself with the notorious doping agent EPO as he prepared for his light-middleweight title fight against Oscar De La Hoya, according to grand jury transcripts and doping calendars reviewed by the Daily News.
 
The Mosley transcripts are part of a massive BALCO file that was under a protective order from March of 2004 until last week, when U.S District Court Judge Susan Illston vacated the order at the request of prosecutors who are preparing for the March 2 trial of Barry Bonds on perjury charges.
 
In the testimony, recorded on Dec. 11, 2003, at the federal courthouse in San Francisco, Mosley also said that BALCO founder Victor Conte explained in detail how the drug was used and what its effects would be, including the potential harmful effects of the highly-regulated endurance booster. Mosley has admitted publicly and under oath that he used steroids and EPO, but has denied knowing that the drugs were banned or illegal.When asked if he had gotten EPO from Conte, Mosley replied: "Yes, the hematocrit."
 
"And that's something you actually inject into yourself?" he was asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney Jeff Nedrow.
 
"I think it's right by your stomach, yes," Mosley said, indicating where the drug is often injected.
 
Conte has said he instructed Mosley on techniques for drawing EPO from a bottle with a syringe and injecting it in each side of the belly button in what is known as "double-saturation" injections.

At one point in the questioning, Nedrow produced a calendar seized from the BALCO lab showing Mosley used a potent cocktail of steroids and EPO right up until a few days before his victorious fight with De La Hoya on Sept. 13, 2003. The calendars denote which days Mosley was supposed to take which substances.

Mosley acknowledged that the calendar, marked "S.M.," contained instructions for him, and that the prices scribbled on the margins corresponded with the money he owed Conte for the treatments. (Conte, who estimates Mosley injected himself 20 times on each side of his belly button in the month before the fight, says he drew up the calendar while Mosley watched.)
 
Nedrow then pointed to the letter "E," which appears on the calendars at regular intervals in July and August.
 
"E, are those the injections of the EPO?," Nedrow asked Mosley.
 
"Yes, those would be the days," Mosley answered.

Conte is embroiled in a bitter defamation suit filed against him by Mosley, who claimed in U.S. District Court in California that the BALCO founder had defamed him when he told reporters, including the Daily News, that Mosley had knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. Mosley withdrew that suit in August, refiling immediately in New York state court. Mosley also threatened to sue the publisher of Conte's book, and Conte's lawyers received an e-mail today from Skyhorse Publishing saying they no longer plan to publish the book because of the lawsuit threat.
 
As a result, Conte is now looking for a new publisher for his controversial book.
 
Mosley, who will fight Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24, 2009 in an HBO-televised fight for the world welterweight championship,  gave his testimony to the same grand jury before which Barry Bonds allegedly committed perjury. Although he has claimed since then that he thought BALCO's injectibles were safe and legal supplements, Mosley made it clear to the grand jury that he was worried the products Conte provided him were possibly dangerous.
 
"He explained to me also that - I think if you - if you take too much of it, your blood can get too thick and, you know, it can be bad for you," Mosley testified.
 
EPO affects a person's hematocrit, increasing the number of oxygen-rich red blood cells and thereby boosting endurance. It is banned in Olympic sports and its widespread abuse has all but destroyed the sport of cycling in recent years.
 
Mosley's attorney Judd Burstein said that the testimony was consistent with all other claims Mosley has made under oath in the intervening years. "I am very relieved that this grand jury testimony has been released because it confirms that Shane has consistently recounted his dealings with Conte from 2003 to today," Burstein said.
 
Earlier this year, Burstein told the L.A. Times that his client "wouldn't know a hematocrit from a chromatic print," but in fact Mosley described hematocrit levels in detail during his grand jury testimony.
 
"[Conte] told me that, you know, the hematocrit level was supposed to be at a certain level," Mosley testified. "And like cyclists and a lot of long distance runners and stuff like that use it… he explained that to me and I said: 'Okay, that's something that I can do to get my endurance as high as it can possibly



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c'mon, dude. Shane's not a stupid individual, he knew what he was doing.

[Flexb]

If Manny isn't taking anything he should have no reason to take any random test and laugh. Unless of course, manny is simply looking for a way out of the fight.

[K-1]

exactly....until I hear this on ESPN or read it in Ring magazine it's not a viable story....

Golden Boy owns Ring Magazine.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=12390&more=1

[K-1]

Lucky none of Golden Boy promotions have ever taken steroids or admitted to using EPO.

exactly.....which is why they are pressing for the sample and urine testing through camp i'm sure. nothing like having first hand knowledge on how to derail a cycle while training for a boxing match.

[big L dawg]

Golden Boy owns Ring Magazine.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=12390&more=1

honestly at this point I think golden boy owns the drug testers and the judges as well....I'm washing my hands with professional boxing....corruption to the core...

[Joel_A]

If Manny isn't taking anything he should have no reason to take any random test and laugh. Unless of course, manny is simply looking for a way out of the fight.

Flex, come on, man. Floyd knows Manny gets freaked out with needles. He's using this as an advantage. Manny is willing to have the blood test 3 times: before the conference, 30 days prior to the fight, and immediately after the fight. Anything in between and random will surely fuck up with him psychologically as he is superstitious. Remember he is from the shanties in the Philippines (where I'm from) and superstitions are almost regarded as plain fact in third world countries. If Manny is dirty it will show immediately after the fight. He is also open to random urinalysis, any time. That alone is way above any standards in boxing matches, but of course it isn't enough for Floyd, himself.

And really, who is Mayweather to go over the NSAC's drug procedures? Imagine Peyton Manning demanding Tom Brady to get a blood test right before a game. Fucking stupid and shouldn't even be entertained. Floyd is definitely scared. and I don't mean as a person. He really wants to remain unbeaten and he knows Manny can beat him.

[Per Se]

Flex, come on, man. Floyd knows Manny gets freaked out with needles. He's using this as an advantage. Manny is willing to have the blood test 3 times: before the conference, 30 days prior to the fight, and immediately after the fight. Anything in between and random will surely fuck up with him psychologically as he is superstitious. Remember he is from the shanties in the Philippines (where I'm from) and superstitions are almost regarded as plain fact in third world countries. If Manny is dirty it will show immediately after the fight. He is also open to random urinalysis, any time. That alone is way above any standards in boxing matches, but of course it isn't enough for Floyd, himself.

And really, who is Mayweather to go over the NSAC's drug procedures? Imagine Peyton Manning demanding Tom Brady to get a blood test right before a game. Fucking stupid and shouldn't even be entertained. Floyd is definitely scared. and I don't mean as a person. He really wants to remain unbeaten and he knows Manny can beat him.

You're wrong, Floyd isn't scared.  I dont believe there is anything wrong with wanting to ensure a level playing field.
At present boxing has no overall governing body to oversee transparent and fair application of testing.
Manny is scared of needles? Really?  ...how many tattoos does he have again? 
What is the point of being tested, if one can dictate when one shall submit to a test.  I'm not suggesting that Manny is on performance enhancing drugs, but it is tentamount to Ben Johnson telling the IOC back in '88...."ok guys, you can test me on these 3 dates - but no others ok!!!"  Laugh my arse off!! 

[HTexan]

so what drug are the looking for in pacuiao's blood? IMO there has to be a reason why they want to do this.

[Per Se]

If the recent report we have heard really is true...I have to say I'm kinda disgusted with Pacquiao.  I love this guy, but come on!  Mayweather isn't asking for something unreasonable.  This style of drug testing should ALREADY be in place anyway.

...Manny is really gona let all that milli slip through his hands??

[temper35]

He isn't afraid of needles, he just doesn't recover well from having his blood taken.  He agreed to 5 days before the fight and immediately after in the dressing room.

Floyd is scared.

[big L dawg]

Floyd's runnin scared biggest pussy in boxing history....pacman already agreed to a blood test immediately following the fight.along with saliva and urine tests....that would do the trick...Floyd is lookin for a way out period

[Per Se]

He isn't afraid of needles, he just doesn't recover well from having his blood taken.  He agreed to 5 days before the fight and immediately after in the dressing room.

Floyd is scared.

Come on man!!! Drug testing in boxing isn't satisfactory.  Floyd is trying to (and I hope he succeeds) in setting an important precedence.
THIS ISNT ABOUT MAYWEATHER V PACQUIAO EXCLUSIVELY

Usain Bolt can't say, "You can test me 5 days before the race, and then straight after the race."  You an I both know that "5days before, and immediately afterwards" is not satisfactorty!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AT THE FACTS - LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

It riles me that you think it's ok for boxers not to have to submit to RANDOM tests.  This has pissed me off for years.

If this fight doesn't go ahead, I would hope future opponents of Pac refuse to fight him until he complies

[Palpatine Q]

Come on man!!! Drug testing in boxing isn't satisfactory.  Floyd is trying to (and I hope he succeeds) in setting an important precedence.
THIS ISNT ABOUT MAYWEATHER V PACQUIAO EXCLUSIVELY

Usain Bolt can't say, "You can test me 5 days before the race, and then straight after the race."  You an I both know that "5days before, and immediately afterwards" is not satisfactorty!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AT THE FACTS - LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

It riles me that you think it's ok for boxers not to have to submit to RANDOM tests.  This has pissed me off for years.

If this fight doesn't go ahead, I would hope future opponents of Pac refuse to fight him until he complies

What's he hiding?

If he had nothing to hide this wouldn't even be an issue... his camp would say "fine...whatever"

[big L dawg]

This is Mayweathers last Big Meal Ticket we're talking here. They're gonna try to promote this fight every which way they can. This is just fight hype. There's no way he's ducking Manny. This fight is ON for sure.

I think it has more to do with him building an excuse for when he gets beat....look he ain't doin this shit for the betterment of boxing....Has he demanded this in his other fights?has pacman ever tested positive?NO!...It's him giving himself an out & an excuse and nothing more....

Like I said boxing is on life support (and it has nothing to do with there testing standards)and This is the type of bullshit that will pull the plug on alot of the remaining fans if this fight doesn't happen....

[regmac]

Shane didn't know.   He just swallowed whatever he was givin.

Thanks for clearing that up.   Did he also know EPO is illegal?  I know he used creating the first time it came out...and had a big interest in sports performance supplements like everyone else who wants to be better.   I really don't know what EPO is at all!!!!!

[temper35]

Come on man!!! Drug testing in boxing isn't satisfactory.  Floyd is trying to (and I hope he succeeds) in setting an important precedence.
THIS ISNT ABOUT MAYWEATHER V PACQUIAO EXCLUSIVELY

Usain Bolt can't say, "You can test me 5 days before the race, and then straight after the race."  You an I both know that "5days before, and immediately afterwards" is not satisfactorty!!!!!!!!!!!

LOOK AT THE FACTS - LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

It riles me that you think it's ok for boxers not to have to submit to RANDOM tests.  This has pissed me off for years.

If this fight doesn't go ahead, I would hope future opponents of Pac refuse to fight him until he complies

Are you retarded?  No boxer in the world has to comply by any blood testing standards because just like the NFL, MLB and so on, they don't have to be tested in that fashion.  It doesn't matter what YOU think is satisfactory and what isn't, it just was never required.  All of a sudden Floyd's crackhead father makes a comment about Manny being on steroids and the entire NSAC is going to change their protocol for drug testing?  OH OKAY LETS GO DO THAT.  Lmao

Olympic athletes and the testing involved with their competition is all part of the program.  Usain Bolt has no say in the way things are done because it is the rules of the sport he competes in.  To all of a sudden change someones routine for the biggest fight of their life after a career that has made him one of the top 20 p4p fighters to ever live is ridiculous.

If boxers have to submit to random tests then every other American sport should as well.  Do you think there is more NFL players using or more boxers?  I'm sure the #'s of football players dwarf the number of boxers in that regard.

Having said all that, urine tests are more accurate than blood tests anyway for detecting every PED he could use.  Do you think Manny's people don't know that if he is indeed using something?  He said he'd take random urine tests whenever they wanted, he just doesn't want his blood taken shortly before a fight because of the way it makes him feel.  What is the big fucking deal?  lol

[Darren Avey]

I hope your right...However If this fight doesn't happen I believe it could be the final nail in the coffin of what has been a dying sport for some time now....this Is exactly the reason I jumped ship on boxing nearly 10 years ago in favor of MMA....to much politics and corruption in boxing...

I just seen them discussing it on ESPN....they said shame on both camps if this fight doesn't happen....they also said Manny doesn't want to give blood the day of the fight (which is understandable)but would give urine...

Floyd wants to end his career undefeated & doesn't want to fight the best out there and risk that..I got a buddy at work that I have been telling for years that Floyd was ducking pacman...thats why when he came up & told me Floyd & pacman Had agreed to fight I told him I'll believe it when I see them both in the ring.....

Haha yeh right and theres no politics in MMA, with that scumbag Dana White whos even lower than DOn King

[honest]

The whole drug testing thing is a reaction to Manny wanting the 10 million per pound weigh in penalty, he should agree to the drug testing and turn around and insist on a second weigh in where both boxers are no heavier than 6 lbs over the officail  prior weigh in, Floyd wont agree as he will be hoping to be around 12 lbs heavier by that stage, his big advante in this fight is that he will be a good 10 pounds heavier than Manny come fight time maybe more. He can save face with the drug testing as Floyd wont agree to  the second weigh in with restrictions then the fights off as mayweather wont commit.

[Per Se]

Are you retarded?  No boxer in the world has to comply by any blood testing standards because just like the NFL, MLB and so on, they don't have to be tested in that fashion.  It doesn't matter what YOU think is satisfactory and what isn't, it just was never required.  All of a sudden Floyd's crackhead father makes a comment about Manny being on steroids and the entire NSAC is going to change their protocol for drug testing?  OH OKAY LETS GO DO THAT.  Lmao

Olympic athletes and the testing involved with their competition is all part of the program.  Usain Bolt has no say in the way things are done because it is the rules of the sport he competes in.  To all of a sudden change someones routine for the biggest fight of their life after a career that has made him one of the top 20 p4p fighters to ever live is ridiculous.

If boxers have to submit to random tests then every other American sport should as well.  Do you think there is more NFL players using or more boxers?  I'm sure the #'s of football players dwarf the number of boxers in that regard.

Having said all that, urine tests are more accurate than blood tests anyway for detecting every PED he could use.  Do you think Manny's people don't know that if he is indeed using something?  He said he'd take random urine tests whenever they wanted, he just doesn't want his blood taken shortly before a fight because of the way it makes him feel.  What is the big fucking deal?  lol

You're asking if I'm a retard, but I think it's fair to say that I've made a good point. 
I believe every pro athlete in any sport (not just track and field stars) should have to be prepared to submit to testing ANYTIME, ANYWHERE WITH NO NOTICE. 
I honestly cannot see any justification whatsoever in Pacquiao not agreeing to the terms of the testing, REGARDLESS of whether he HAS to or not. 
(He doesn't recover well from having his blood taken??? Oh pleeeeeease.  The more his people speak for him, the more they are damaging his credibility).

[Per Se]

The whole drug testing thing is a reaction to Manny wanting the 10 million per pound weigh in penalty, he should agree to the drug testing and turn around and insist on a second weigh in where both boxers are no heavier than 6 lbs over the officail  prior weigh in, Floyd wont agree as he will be hoping to be around 12 lbs heavier by that stage, his big advante in this fight is that he will be a good 10 pounds heavier than Manny come fight time maybe more. He can save face with the drug testing as Floyd wont agree to  the second weigh in with restrictions then the fights off as mayweather wont commit.

This is a welterweight bout, and there should absolutely not be a limit on how much one can rehydrate.  Have you any idea how dangerous this is??
For the record, Floyd isn't a big dude.  He walks around at about 152lbs.  12 pounds on top of 147 is 159.  Floyd has never been that heavy.

[Joel_A]

(He doesn't recover well from having his blood taken??? Oh pleeeeeease.  The more his people speak for him, the more they are damaging his credibility).

Why? 'cause Floyd has so much more credibility than Manny? Who has the actual history of making excuses and breaking the rules?