The final decison: Ronnie 2001 ASC Vs. Dorian 1993 who would win?

[Grape Ape]

and the cycle continues.......

[Royal Lion]

I see all the nuthuggers are coming out in full force for this thread LOL

its cool. there isn't anything you can post that can't be refuted by real pics and videos...

bring it on bitches.

but I will have to own your sorry asses later, as I am off to Cozumel for a week of sun, sea and sand.

have fun nuthuggers!

Yeah right...you couldn't possibly go a week without dissing Dorian and nuthugging Ronnie.

You are admitting that your opinion of certain pics and videos outweigh the opinions of RONNIE HIMSELF as well as the industry experts who were there in person?  WTF?!?!

[Hulkster]

LOL who the fuck cares what ronnie thinks? he can be just as wrong as anyone.

he says he is natural, says he never injured his lats or quads, and says he is still a cop..but what he says refutes the videotape LOL

think man think

everyone is entitled to their opinion.

but if your opinion is based on misinformation (ie that a ronnie that is 10 pounds heavier, with equal hardness and LESS of a gut is WORSE than a ronnie that is smaller but equal hardness but with a bigger gut) then it is wrong. plain and simple.

an opinion is only as good as the facts it is based on.

if your opinion is based on fallacy, it is incorrect. period.

its that simple.

[Royal Lion]

LOL who the fuck cares what ronnie thinks? he can be just as wrong as anyone.

he says he is natural, says he never injured his lats or quads, and says he is still a cop..but what he says refutes the videotape LOL

think man think

everyone is entitled to their opinion.

but if your opinion is based on misinformation (ie that a ronnie that is 10 pounds heavier, with equal hardness and LESS of a gut is WORSE than a ronnie that is smaller but equal hardness but with a bigger gut) then it is wrong. plain and simple.

an opinion is only as good as the facts it is based on.

if your opinion is based on fallacy, it is incorrect. period.

its that simple.

Do you not realize just how full of contradictions this statement is?  If an opinion based on fallacy is incorrect, then you are rarely correct 

[Hulkster]

as well as the industry experts who were there in person?  WTF?!?!

the bb industry remembers the AC as a stand out win for one reason:

it was the first time a Mr. O had competed in the Arnold Classic as Mr. Olympia.

ronnie happened to show up in fantastic shape against a sub par lineup and as a result, everyone freaked out.,

its no different than 2003 - if you read the reports at the time, everyone was saying it was his best ever shape.

but we can all see that it wasn't. but people remember 2003 for many reasons - eg. the difference from 02 to 03, the size ronnie gained etc.

its part of the human condition - we tend to remember things as we wish they were, not necessarily as the actually were

but luckily, the pics and videos upon which this entire sport is based do not fall victim to this fault..

[chaos]

the bb industry remembers the AC as a stand out win for one reason:

it was the first time a Mr. O had competed in the Arnold Classic as Mr. Olympia.

ronnie happened to show up in fantastic shape against a sub par lineup and as a result, everyone freaked out.,

its no different than 2003 - if you read the reports at the time, everyone was saying it was his best ever shape.

but we can all see that it wasn't. but people remember 2003 for many reasons - eg. the difference from 02 to 03, the size ronnie gained etc.

its part of the human condition - we tend to remember things as we wish they were, not necessarily as the actually were

but luckily, the pics and videos upon which this entire sport is based do not fall victim to this fault..

LOL, you called bbing a sport.

[Royal Lion]

the bb industry remembers the AC as a stand out win for one reason:

it was the first time a Mr. O had competed in the Arnold Classic as Mr. Olympia.

ronnie happened to show up in fantastic shape against a sub par lineup and as a result, everyone freaked out.,

its no different than 2003 - if you read the reports at the time, everyone was saying it was his best ever shape.

but we can all see that it wasn't. but people remember 2003 for many reasons - eg. the difference from 02 to 03, the size ronnie gained etc.

its part of the human condition - we tend to remember things as we wish they were, not necessarily as the actually were

but luckily, the pics and videos upon which this entire sport is based do not fall victim to this fault..

Where do you come up with this shit?  First, it is just ridiculous to say that the "only" reason the BB industry appreciated Ronnie's 2001 form is because it was the Arnold.  Speculation is your only basis for this.  How about the competitors, judges, and experts who saw him at all of his shows?  How about the fact that at the 2000 Mr. O he was off?  How about the fact that despite the stomach distention, it was the driest Ronnie had ever been?  Do you honestly believe that if Ronnie was off at the 2001 A/C he wouldn't be called on it simply because he was the reigning Mr. O and competing at the Arnold?   Oh yeah, when you get desperate you'll believe anything.

Who has ever said that 2003 was his best shape?  I have heard many say it was his freakiest size (I was there in person and he was a freak), but most agree his conditioning was nowhere near is 98 Mr.O or 2001 A/C forms.

Who says the entire sport is based on pics and videos??  I thought the sport was based on the judges WHO ARE THERE IN PERSON.  I'm afraid only you base everything on pics and vids (although you're blind to the many that disprove your blind biases).

[cross-of-iron]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This shit and the nasser threads, you guys are seriously mentally ill.

[England_1]

INSANE size, symmetry, completeness, density, etc

[Shockwave]

LOL who the fuck cares what ronnie thinks? he can be just as wrong as anyone.

he says he is natural, says he never injured his lats or quads, and says he is still a cop..but what he says refutes the videotape LOL

think man think

everyone is entitled to their opinion.

but if your opinion is based on misinformation (ie that a ronnie that is 10 pounds heavier, with equal hardness and LESS of a gut is WORSE than a ronnie that is smaller but equal hardness but with a bigger gut) then it is wrong. plain and simple.

an opinion is only as good as the facts it is based on.

if your opinion is based on fallacy, it is incorrect. period.

its that simple.

You shouldnt be lecturing anyone on facts, when you cannot seperate fact from opinion yourself.

[Royal Lion]

INSANE size, symmetry, completeness, density, etc

This shot is simply awesome - I love the shadow, hence the nickname I guess.  I think Dorian's 93 form is the best ever....there were no weaknesses whatsoever.

[bigbobs]

From his posting history, it appears he looks a few shots in 99 where Ronnie looks absolutely amazing and ignores everything else, and makes excuses for any evidence that he can't refute.

ND claims those pictures are photoshopped?

[webcake]

Nasser would beat them both.....

[Sherief Shalaby]

Discuss Bitches 

nasser 96

[mesmorph78]

Ronnie 98,99,2000,2001,2003,2004,2005

kills any version of yates

[haider]

Completely useless topic now. Brings out the worst in many getbiggers.

Seriously. Must avoid like the fucking plague.

no offense to the topic starter, I know your intentions are pure.






















PS: Ronnie > Dorian.

[Wiggs]

Ronnie, because he's black.

[IceCold]

LOL who the fuck cares what ronnie thinks? he can be just as wrong as anyone.

he says he is natural, says he never injured his lats or quads, and says he is still a cop..but what he says refutes the videotape LOL

think man think

everyone is entitled to their opinion.

but if your opinion is based on misinformation (ie that a ronnie that is 10 pounds heavier, with equal hardness and LESS of a gut is WORSE than a ronnie that is smaller but equal hardness but with a bigger gut) then it is wrong. plain and simple.

an opinion is only as good as the facts it is based on.

if your opinion is based on fallacy, it is incorrect. period.

its that simple.

this may be the worst post on getbig.

can someone tell this fucking guy that his silly opinion and sole interpretation of pics, vids, etc. is NOT a fact.

[rocket]

In my opinion, it's quite often the Englishmen who claim Dorian was better.  You can often tell by the quintessentially britishesque names here.  Since, they'll likely claim that nationality has nothing to do with it, I will say that it is only a coincidence that I have observed.

I am English myself, but there is no doubt in my mind, Ronnie is/was better.  Whilst I've no intention on debating my own opinion, I think I can narrow down what it is that I don't like about Dorian.  He has quite a high chest.  

[Option D]

oh freakin christ...add this to you 2k page long debate...btw...ronnie wins..

[TrapsMcLats]

oh freakin christ...add this to you 2k page long debate...btw...ronnie wins..

quoted for truth

[MadCroc29]

love dorians but ronald has this one

[closeline]

they are both no. 1

in different times

comparisons are useless

dorian always beat ronnie, no matter how they look like, even ronnie knows

[Matt C]

Ronnie at the 2001 ASC:

http://tiny.cc/RjpRS

[mesmorph78]

INSANE size, symmetry, completeness, density, etc

that physique looks great to you

INSANE size, symmetry, completeness, density, etc

that physique looks great to you
blocky with small Arms
I wouldn't even have Dorian in my top 20 best
big and cut doesn't equate to good physique
IMO I would even compare Dorian to ronnie
like i said great back and calves but that's it