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Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« on: December 27, 2009, 08:21:15 PM »
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/12/27/2009-12-27_the_tale_of_killer_sally_her_12gauge__her_husband.html

(Courtesy of NYDaily News.com)

Valentine's Day 1995 was not going well for Sally and Ray McNeil.

Not that either expected love poems and roses.

Both bodybuilders and ex-Marines, the couple's awful eight-year marriage was wearing out, ground down by vanity, jealousy and muscular machismo.

Yet Sally seethed that evening when Ray was late in showing up at their apartment in Oceanside, Calif., north of San Diego.

She was spoiling for a fight when he finally arrived after 10 p.m.

Shantina and John, Sally's preteen children from another marriage, cowered in their bedroom as the combat commenced. The kids knew the drill.

As a prosecutor later said of the marriage, "That's what they did - they hit each other."

And neither was the sort to surrender.

Ray McNeil, 29, was a buff 256-pounder who was named Mr. California in 1991. Sally, a 34-year-old ripped blonde, had won the U.S. Armed Services Physique Championship twice in the late '80s.

But this confrontation would be different. It would be their last.

As Ray stood at the kitchen stove cooking chicken, Sally asked him to explain where he had been.

After some shouting, Shantina, 11, said she heard a "gurgling" sound, as though her mother was being choked.

Sally went to a closet, removed a 12-gauge shotgun from its case and chambered a shell. She walked back to the kitchen and pulled the trigger.

The shot blew a hole through Ray's six-pack abs. He fell to his knees, and his wife loaded a second shell and shot him in the jaw.

She then called 911. In the background, Ray could be heard moaning, "Why, oh god, why?"

Shantina ran to a neighbor's apartment, hollering, "Oh my God! My mom shot my dad!" As Sally waited for police, the neighbor overheard her say, "I just wanted him to leave me alone."

Ray McNeil was still alive and conscious when police arrived. As he listened to Sally tell cops that he had choked her, the bodybuilder tossed his bloody head from side to side and uttered a firm "No!"

He was declared dead two hours later, and Sally was charged with murder, causing a sensation in the insular world of bodybuilding.

Ray McNeil, a native Jamaican, was among the top 20 professionals in the nation in his weight class.

Sally, who grew up in Allentown, Penn., was an amateur bodybuilder, but she used her physique to earn money in niche muscle sports, including female submission wrestling and a semi-erotic amusement known as apartment wrestling, in which men pay to grapple with muscular women.

She used the nickname "Killer Sally" in those enterprises.

It fit, said her first husband, Anthony Lowden.




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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2009, 08:22:57 PM »
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2009, 08:27:40 PM »
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2009, 08:31:11 PM »
i actually clicked on this thread just to see if medford had posted yet ;D

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2009, 08:34:54 PM »
Manfoot medford incomming in 3,2,1...

Are you saying that if wanting to munch on Sally's muff all night long without a break was the equivalent of 1 byte of information, Medford would be the internet?

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2009, 08:55:39 PM »
Are you saying that if wanting to munch on Sally's muff all night long without a break was the equivalent of 1 byte of information, Medford would be the internet?
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 11:15:43 PM »
Are you saying that if wanting to munch on Sally's muff all night long without a break was the equivalent of 1 byte of information, Medford would be the internet?
LMAO  ;D

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2009, 11:18:25 PM »
Are you saying that if wanting to munch on Sally's muff all night long without a break was the equivalent of 1 byte of information, Medford would be the internet?

ahahahahahahahahahaha

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2021, 10:35:21 PM »
As I watched this clip I wondered what happened to the kids after this. From that article above Valentine's didn't go so well 26 years ago.



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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2021, 10:07:03 AM »
Sometimes when you read the McNeil interviews, you see her talking about a bodybuilding roommate they lived with but is never mentioned by name. It was probably Michio Grubbs, I remember someone mentioning him and Ray being roommates for a time right before Ray died.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2021, 10:24:59 AM »
Sally McNeil was a fucking savage.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2021, 10:31:41 AM »
Sally McNeil was a fucking savage.

True - bet she's made one helluva lesbian shotcaller in prison  :P
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2021, 10:49:15 AM »
Sally McNeil was a fucking savage.

That story got you hard, didn’t it?

Once a schmoe, always a schmoe. I see many ice machines in your future.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2021, 11:39:58 AM »
True - bet she's made one helluva lesbian shotcaller in prison  :P
No doubt.  A sex deviant like her probably has lots of girlfriends, whether they want to be or not.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2021, 12:56:41 PM »
Let this be a lesson not to buy the expensive chicken (taken from one of Sally's appeals) -


"McNeil and Ray were both former [M]arines, bodybuilders and steroid users.   Their relationship was replete with violent altercations. Evidence was introduced that McNeil had hit Ray and threw things at him, including dumbbells and a VCR that she threw out a second story window as Ray was walking below, and that Ray had hit, kicked and pushed McNeil leaving her with bruises and black eyes. Evidence was also introduced that McNeil had several violent altercations with others, including women she suspected Ray was having affairs with, barroom bouncers, and the police.

On the night of the shooting, Ray said he was going out to the Price Club, which closed at 8:30 p.m., to get chicken for dinner. However, he did not return until 10:30 p.m., and had gone to a more expensive market. Ray had had several affairs during the course of the marriage, and McNeil suspected he had been seeing a girlfriend. McNeil criticized Ray for getting the more expensive chicken, which she could not afford, and asked what had taken him so long and if he had been with his girlfriend. She also told him he looked like “shit” and would not do well in an upcoming bodybuilding contest.

McNeil told police that Ray then slapped her, pushed her down on the floor and started choking her.   McNeil squirmed away, ran into the bedroom and took her shotgun out of its case in the closet. She grabbed two shells, loaded one, pumped the gun, and then “went out and aimed it at [Ray]” and shot him. At the time, Ray was at the kitchen stove cooking chicken. McNeil stated that after Ray was shot, he doubled over and then came towards her, so she loaded the second round, pumped the gun again, and shot him a second time.

After that, McNeil gave the shotgun to a neighbor, and called 911. The 911 operator who took the call testified that she heard a male, who had been moaning, ask:  “Why did you shoot me?” and McNeil respond:  “I told you that I wasn't taking your shit anymore.”

When police arrived, Ray was on his hands and knees about five feet inside the apartment and McNeil was standing at the kitchen sink.   It looked like Ray's face had been blown off from the bridge of his nose down, and he was saying “Why?[,]” “Oh God,” and “Help me.”  When paramedics arrived, Ray pointed to his stomach, and they saw his liver protruding through the skin. Ray was taken to the hospital and died that night.   The shotgun wound to his midsection was the one that caused his death;  the shotgun blast to his face caused massive damage to his lower jaw and face.

A police criminologist testified that the weapon used was a 12-gauge pump shotgun with a pistol grip, which was fired at Ray's midsection and then at his face from about six feet away.   A crime scene reconstructionist opined that Ray's head was close to, and in line with, the sofa cushions when he was shot in the face, which would indicate that Ray was not upright when he was shot a second time.

Police discovered fingernail marks on McNeil's neck the night of the shooting and Ray's body was exhumed so that his fingernails could be examined. His fingernails were very short, and it was determined that his hands could not have caused the marks on McNeil's neck and further, that the marks were inconsistent with manual strangulation and could have been self-inflicted."


Other points of interest, I remember from a bunch of interviews and conversations with people who knew them -

1) Ray did stay alive for at least a few hours before he died.

2) Sally's kids might of saw the whole thing, as they were called as witnesses to relate what happened that night.

3) Sally made some bizarre comments to the police, including one blaming Ray for hogging all the good drugs during their marriage.

4) Sally alternately complained and raved about Ray's giant dong in interviews afterward. She said he'd have rough sex, including anal, and complain when Sally couldn't take it.


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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2021, 01:00:58 PM »
Like I said, a fucking savage.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2021, 02:25:21 PM »
[1]  McNeil stated that after Ray was shot, he doubled over and then came towards her, so she loaded the second round, pumped the gun again, and shot him a second time.

[2]  After that, McNeil gave the shotgun to a neighbor, and called 911. The 911 operator who took the call testified that she heard a male, who had been moaning, ask:  “Why did you shoot me?” and McNeil respond:  “I told you that I wasn't taking your shit anymore.”

[3]  When police arrived, Ray was on his hands and knees about five feet inside the apartment and McNeil was standing at the kitchen sink.   It looked like Ray's face had been blown off from the bridge of his nose down, and he was saying “Why?[,]” “Oh God,” and “Help me.” 

[4]  A police criminologist testified that the weapon used was a 12-gauge pump shotgun with a pistol grip, which was fired at Ray's midsection and then at his face from about six feet away.   A crime scene reconstructionist opined that Ray's head was close to, and in line with, the sofa cushions when he was shot in the face, which would indicate that Ray was not upright when he was shot a second time.

[5]  Police discovered fingernail marks on McNeil's neck the night of the shooting and Ray's body was exhumed so that his fingernails could be examined. His fingernails were very short, and it was determined that his hands could not have caused the marks on McNeil's neck and further, that the marks were inconsistent with manual strangulation and could have been self-inflicted."

Other points of interest, I remember from a bunch of interviews and conversations with people who knew them -

1) Ray did stay alive for at least a few hours before he died.

2) Sally's kids might of saw the whole thing, as they were called as witnesses to relate what happened that night.

3) Sally made some bizarre comments to the police, including one blaming Ray for hogging all the good drugs during their marriage.

4) Sally alternately complained and raved about Ray's giant dong in interviews afterward. She said he'd have rough sex, including anal, and complain when Sally couldn't take it.


Thanks BB - at the risk of flogging a 25 year old story to death...

[1] Never handled a pump action shotgun, but this doesn't sound feasible if someone is rushing you from a few yards away

[2] and [3]  If his jaw was missing, I doubt he could have sounded many consonants...  :-\

[4] So he was rushing her on all fours...

[5] My friend dated a woman like this once - we actually saw her attack herself while sat in a car in a car park behind a pub that she thought was closed/empty - then she tried to blame him for the marks - she was not a keeper

1)  Remarkable - must have stung a bit

2)  Must be late 20s by now - wonder if they would talk?

4)  I remember that!  ;D



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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2021, 06:48:46 AM »
It'd be interesting to see how she held up post roids




I saw her at a flea market in Oceanside a few months after the shooting and she looked like she had never touched a weight in her life. She was pear shaped and soft.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2021, 08:11:59 AM »
She kept talking about his 10 inch dick and how he always hurt her with it.  I remember the old MM interview she said something along the lines of "he hurt me.  His dick is 10 inches.  HAVE YOU SEEN IT???"


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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2021, 08:20:25 AM »
That story got you hard, didn’t it?

Once a schmoe, always a schmoe. I see many ice machines in your future.
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 09:27:45 AM »
She kept talking about his 10 inch dick and how he always hurt her with it.  I remember the old MM interview she said something along the lines of "he hurt me.  His dick is 10 inches.  HAVE YOU SEEN IT???"

Hahaha!  The line I remember went something like this: "when people ask me why I stay with Ray, I say to them - are you kidding me?  He's got a 10 inch p3nis!"

Classy lady

A f**king psychopath?  Sure, but classy with it...
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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2021, 10:25:24 AM »
Hahaha!  The line I remember went something like this: "when people ask me why I stay with Ray, I say to them - are you kidding me?  He's got a 10 inch p3nis!"

Classy lady

A f**king psychopath?  Sure, but classy with it...

HAHAHAHA!!!

She couldn't stand him but even worse was the thought of someone else getting that schlong. 

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2021, 11:12:54 AM »
HAHAHAHA!!!

She couldn't stand him but even worse was the thought of someone else getting that schlong.
Or her getting a new boyfriend with a 5 inch schlong.

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Re: Remember The "Killer Sally" McNeil Story?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2021, 02:03:37 PM »
Or her getting a new boyfriend with a 5 inch schlong.

That's got to suck.... the new boyfriend has enough money so that she can afford to eat the "expensive chicken", but can't readjust her insides like the BBC was doing.  Which to choose, which to choose......