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Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« on: December 28, 2009, 08:53:32 AM »
Flight 253 passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport (MLive.com exclusive)
By Sheena Harrison | MLive.com
December 26, 2009, 2:22PM

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Update: Dutch police investigating report of accomplice in Northwest Flight 235 terror plot

A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Kurt Haskell of Newport, Mich., who posted an earlier comment about his experience, talked exclusively with MLive.com and confirmed he was on the flight by sending a picture of his boarding pass. He and his wife, Lori, were returning from a safari in Uganda when they boarded the NWA flight on Friday.

Kurt HaskellLori and Kurt HaskellHaskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.

Kurt and Lori Haskell are attorneys with Haskell Law Firm in Taylor. Their expertise includes bankruptcy, family law and estate planning.

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.

Haskell said the flight was mostly unremarkable. That was until he heard a flight attendant say she smelled smoke, just after the pilot announced the plane would land in Detroit in 10 minutes. Haskell got out of his seat to view the brewing commotion.


“I stood up and walked a couple feet ahead to get a closer look, and that's when I saw the flames,” said Haskell, who sat about seven rows behind Mutallab. “It started to spread pretty quickly. It went up the wall, all the way to ceiling.”

Haskell, who described Mutallab as a diminutive man who looks like a teenager, said about 30 seconds passed between the first mention of smoke and when Mutallab was subdued by fellow passengers.

“He didn't fight back at all. This wasn't a big skirmish,” Haskell said. “A couple guys jumped on him and hauled him away.”

The ordeal has Haskell and his wife a little shaken. Flight attendants were screaming during the fire and the pilot sounded notably nervous when bringing the plane in for a landing, he said.

“Immediately, the pilot came on and said two words: emergency landing,” Haskell said. “And that was it. The plane sped up instead of slowing down. You could tell he floored it.”

As Mutallab was being led out of the plane in handcuffs, Haskell said he realized that was the same man he saw trying to board the plane in Amsterdam.

Passengers had to wait about 20 minutes before they were allowed to exit the plane. Haskell said he and other passengers waited about six hours to be interviewed by the FBI.

About an hour after landing, Haskell said he saw another man being taken into custody. But a spokeswoman from the FBI in Detroit said Mutallab was the only person taken into custody.

Update: Dutch police investigating report of accomplice in Northwest Flight 235 terror plot

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 09:03:20 AM »
So they let Sudanese on planes without passports and allow them to travel to the USA?

Something more than hearsay should come out on this one. 

More heads will roll.

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 09:05:44 AM »
So they let Sudanese on planes without passports and allow them to travel to the USA?

Something more than hearsay should come out on this one. 

More heads will roll.

This is an eye witness account.  The govt will cover up or explain it away as nothing. 

More incompetence. 

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 09:10:57 AM »
This is an eye witness account.  The govt will cover up or explain it away as nothing. 

More incompetence. 

At this point its hearsay, but there should be some sort of policy that will surface about this.  What also, makes me wonder is why he wouldn't have a passport anyway.

And the guy that was supposedly with him should be on camera.  

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 09:11:46 AM »
a complete failure of everything that's already in place.  Solution, enforce even stricter bullshit on everyone.  hmmmm


IMO, it's just too early to know what the fuck-up was.  For all we know, the database hiccuped and his name never got passed over.  Or it could be multiple human errors.  At this point though, we can't really call for solutions when we don't have all the facts.

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 09:15:16 AM »
wait, what about the sad song he and some other well dressed person gave to get on the plane?  The stuff about him not having papers because he was a refugee or some shit.

What about his father going to the State Department in November? 

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 09:17:45 AM »
well back in nov if we had questioned him or dare i say even put a lil survalence on hime , that just wouldnt have been politicaly correct, our government wants to investigate terrorists after they kill hundreds of people not before

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 09:18:39 AM »
what was that story from this morning noting the explosives are extremely easy to detect.

and the ultimate lol.  The guy coming from one of the most dangerous areas of the world with no papers and has to talk his way on the plane is the guy that doesn't get his shit searched?  hahahahaha..... uh huh....

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 09:22:53 AM »
what was that story from this morning noting the explosives are extremely easy to detect.

and the ultimate lol.  The guy coming from one of the most dangerous areas of the world with no papers and has to talk his way on the plane is the guy that doesn't get his shit searched?  hahahahaha..... uh huh....

How about paying cash the same day for the ticket on a one-way term?

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 09:34:55 AM »
every jihadist is crazy bout a sharp dressed man

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 09:37:21 AM »
How about paying cash the same day for the ticket on a one-way term?
lol.... that's all I have left to say, LOL!  

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 09:39:12 AM »
every jihadist is crazy bout a sharp dressed man
and every jihadist engages in singing christmas carols :D  just read that part... outstanding cover :D

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 09:39:24 AM »
lol.... that's all I have left to say, LOL!  

Like I said yesterday - its one thing if this guy shot up a school in Maine, but the tens of billions of dollars we have spent has been to stop this exact type of situation.

Given what we know already, I see no reason for DHS if we cant stop something like this.    

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 09:41:45 AM »
Like I said yesterday - its one thing if this guy shot up a school in Maine, but the tens of billions of dollars we have spent has been to stop this exact type of situation.

Given what we know already, I see no reason for DHS if we cant stop something like this.    
the solution is of course not that. 
it will be an expance of all the shit that didn't work.  yea baby, yea...

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 09:47:19 AM »
the solution is of course not that. 
it will be an expance of all the shit that didn't work.  yea baby, yea...

Hugo - I'm dead serious.  If we cant stop this, after spending tens of billions on this exact type of thing, why then do we need DHS? 

BTW - Newt killed it in this pertaining to this issue.  We are simply in a deluded state of mind. 


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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 10:13:27 AM »
wait, what about the sad song he and some other well dressed person gave to get on the plane?  The stuff about him not having papers because he was a refugee or some shit.


If that turns out to be the case, then so be it...let the firings begin.  All I'm saying is we only have 1st reports (the least reliable) and it appears at this time that there may have been multiple problems.  So, it's just too early to determine what the solutions are.  Once we have a better grasp on where the fuck-ups occured, we'll know better how to fix the problem.

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 10:17:11 AM »
How about the airports simply concentrate on middle eastern looking people?Instead of worrying about political correctnes how about they start to really understand its fucking muslims that are doing this.This guy was a fucking muslim.The war is against Muslims.Until we understand this nothing will change.

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 10:22:57 AM »
How about the airports simply concentrate on middle eastern looking people?Instead of worrying about political correctnes how about they start to really understand its fucking muslims that are doing this.This guy was a fucking muslim.The war is against Muslims.Until we understand this nothing will change.

Billy - 240 told me that the VRWC poses a serious threat to the country yesterday. 

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 10:24:18 AM »
what is the VRWC, and when did i say it was a threat?

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2009, 10:28:39 AM »
what is the VRWC, and when did i say it was a threat?

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2009, 10:29:37 AM »
Can you quote where i said this thing was a threat?

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2009, 10:32:00 AM »
Can you quote where i said this thing was a threat?

Yesterday you were defending he DHS report saying RW groups pose a threat to the nation. 

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2009, 10:52:39 AM »
I never said a thing about "RW groups".  please quote me or take that back.

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2009, 10:54:29 AM »
I never said a thing about "RW groups".  please quote me or take that back.


Bro - are you drinking?  You specifically defended the DHS memo. 

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Re: Witness: Terrorist boarded plane without Passport
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2009, 10:57:09 AM »
against the potential for crazy pissed off vets?  Yes, that is something that needs to be watched.  If ex-vets are making angry statements, talking about CW2, etc, then YES, they need to keep an eye on them.  Anything less woudl be irresponsible.  If they had watched Mcveigh better, they could have avoided OKC mess.

Do you think ex-vets with anger and training shouldn't be monitored, 33?  I'd say ANYONE who threatens to break the law here should be.