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Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« on: December 28, 2009, 12:20:02 PM »
(CNN)  -- In the middle of a loud, violent brawl in Tehran, Iran, anti-government protesters manage to corner a handful of riot police who were sent to combat them.

As the crowd pushes the police against a wall -- with screams coming from all directions -- a protester points his finger at them. "Why are you doing this?" he yells.

One of the police -- the only one whose helmet is off, his face apparently bloody -- responds. "I'm sorry," he says. "I'm sorry." The other police stand still, trapped by the crowd's grasp.

Then the protester says something else, in one of the most telling signs of the historic anti-government rebellion sweeping through the streets of Iran.

He demands that the police call Ayatollah Khamenei -- the supreme leader of the nation's hardline Islamic government -- a "bastard."

Reports including photos from the scene indicate the incident took place Sunday.

Are you in Iran? Share your photos and video and tell us what's going on.

The video, leaked to the world via YouTube despite a widespread crackdown by Iran's government, is a sign of what is under way in the country: an unprecedented groundswell that shows no sign of abating, six months after a disputed presidential election started it all.

In the latest series of clashes that sparked over the weekend, eight people were killed, according to Iran's Supreme National Security Council -- making it the deadliest incidents since June.

The fighting came on the anniversary of Ashura, a major Muslim Holy day that provided a critical religious backdrop. Ashura marks the death of Imam Hussein, grandson of Prophet Mohammed, as a martyr. Large crowds pour into streets each year for the observance.

Some demonstrators over the weekend compared Khamenei to Yazid, the caliph who killed Imam Hussein.

As the country's religious leaders called for arrests of protesters, the demonstrators asked how the government would dare to round up people who had gathered for events marking the religious occasion.

Still, hundreds were arrested. One of the country's national security officials called openly for demonstrators to be rounded up and carted off.

Videos posted online from Tehran show protesters with their heads covered in blood, in some cases requiring help walking from fellow demonstrators. Witnesses said members of the Basij, the government's militia, were smashing protesters on the head with their batons.

Two other gruesome videos show protesters in the streets who appear to have just been killed.

The videos also seem to show a growing fearlessness, a fierceness among the demonstrators that has people around the world asking whether the revolt will one day spell the end of Iran's Islamic republic.

CNN's Reza Sayah, an Iran native who covers the region, called it an unprecedented uprising, presenting "the most significant challenge" the Islamic republic has faced since its government came to power through a revolution 30 years ago.

"Its strength, its power over these past 30 years has been repression, has been intimidation of anyone who's dissented," but the government hasn't managed to quell this rebellion, Sayah said. "And you look at this opposition movement, and you have to ask yourself how. They don't have a strong leader. They don't have a structure. They don't have an organization. But somehow they manage to mobilize and move out."

Trita Parsi, president of the National Iranian American Council in Washington, D.C. -- a public critic of Iran's hardline government -- told CNN's "American Morning, "I think this may actually turn out to be a breaking point. What we've seen here is how the opposition, six months after the fraud in elections, still have a lot of fight in them. I think they've taken the Iranian authorities by surprise. They're still coming out in huge numbers, and morale seems to be stronger amongst the opposition than among the security forces at this point.

"This could very well end up being one of those indicators that this is not just going to end -- this is going to go for something that can be causing a dramatic change, not only in Iran but in the region as a whole."

The Iranian government presents a very different story. Through state-run media, the government has insisted that security forces have not killed anyone.

The state has also said it believes some of the videos may have been staged in order to make the government look bad.

The English Web site of state-run news agency IRNA led Monday with a story about Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, planning a visit to Tajikistan. Of about 20 headlines on the main screen of the Web site, none mentioned the protests.

Iran's media blackout made it difficult to verify accounts that leaked out.

Among the stories getting a great deal of attention around the world Monday was a suggestion that the body of Iran's opposition leader's nephew, who was among those killed over the weekend, had disappeared.

The reformist Web site Parlemannews reported Sunday that Saeed Ali Mousavi, nephew of opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, was among the dead.

Iran's state-run Press TV quoted unnamed police officials as identifying one of the dead as "Seyyed Ali Mousavi."

On Monday, Parlemannews said the body had disappeared.

While such details could not be confirmed by CNN, it was clear that government actions in general against the protesters were fueling the protests -- not just among young Iranians seeking change, but among some older Iranians who once supported the Islamic regime.

On Saturday evening, a pro-government mob barged into a mosque where former president and reformist leader Mohammad Khatami was speaking. Khatami's supporters fought back, and word spread throughout the country.

Khatami is a respected cleric, a former elected leader.

The protests also came as Iranians were mourning the Grand Ayatollah Hussein Ali Montazeri, a key figure in the 1979 Iranian revolution. Montazeri went on to become one of the government's most vocal critics.

Robin Wright, author of the book "Dreams and Shadows: The Future of the Middle East," told CNN on Monday that while Iran's opposition is fragmented, the various groups have come together. "This is a very important moment in Iranian history, and it is probably time to start asking whether Iran's uprising could become a Berlin Wall moment," Wright said in an interview with CNN's "American Morning."

She added, "It's not just an issue of the sporadic protests once or twice a month... It's also one of the most vibrant and imaginative civil disobedience campaigns anywhere in the world."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/28/iran.protests.streets/index.html


Hahahaha! Maybe Ahmadinejad should have spent less time bashing the US and its allies and more time on improving his country.

Where are all the morons who were claiming that Iran would destroy America and the west in a war? I notice they've been quiet ever since the riots this summer when it became clearly apparent that the Iranian govt. can't even control its own populace.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 12:23:35 PM »
Barry's on his "surf board"....this guy is an idiot.
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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 12:28:45 PM »
Wonder if he'll pussyfoot around supporting the protesters again.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 12:38:16 PM »
Wonder if he'll pussyfoot around supporting the protesters again.

Hoopefully not.  Now is the time to get behind these protestors and young people and give them moral support for their cause. 

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 12:48:07 PM »

Where are all the morons who were claiming that Iran would destroy America and the west in a war?

Who said that?  Can you name who said that?  At the time this was being talked about the neocons were telling us it would be a cake walk.  In a documentary they had made up special for the occation they pretty much outlined a shock and awe style war with Iran again greeting us as liberators.  I really didn't feel like buying into another neoCON at the time.  Telling us it would be no big deal.  I saw the potential of this setting off another world war.  But I never said anything about Iran destroying America.  We might see some sleeper shit cause problems but I can't imagine them winning a war with us.  I don't remember anyone saying that?  Who said it BF?

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 01:34:30 PM »
Who said that?  Can you name who said that?  At the time this was being talked about the neocons were telling us it would be a cake walk.  In a documentary they had made up special for the occation they pretty much outlined a shock and awe style war with Iran again greeting us as liberators.  I really didn't feel like buying into another neoCON at the time.  Telling us it would be no big deal.  I saw the potential of this setting off another world war.  But I never said anything about Iran destroying America.  We might see some sleeper shit cause problems but I can't imagine them winning a war with us.  I don't remember anyone saying that?  Who said it BF?

Who said you said it you paranoid dickhead? I know you take everything to heart on here but most of us don't have 12+ hours a day to dig through thousands of posts to prove a point.

Keep trying to jump down my throat in your vain attempts to own me, kid. I'll leave you with this.

Dude, you seriously have anger issues and act like little spoiled child.  Serious.  Look at you, look at the way you are acting.  You are pathetic.

GROW UP.  Act like an adult.  I have yet to see some one as petty as you and overly sensitive as you.

Or better yet go outside and stare at more chem trails determining their altitudes by sight and pretend you aren't some ignorant jackass with a tin foil hat.



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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 01:53:58 PM »
The internal struggle to topple Iran's hardline regime is good for the world.
We should cautiously support the protesters.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 03:10:31 PM »
Who said you said it you paranoid dickhead? I know you take everything to heart on here but most of us don't have 12+ hours a day to dig through thousands of posts to prove a point.

Keep trying to jump down my throat in your vain attempts to own me, kid. I'll leave you with this.

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I clearly asked you who said it, I didn't say it was me you fucking moron.  I was just commenting. ::)  Who said it you fucking c unt?

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 03:38:58 PM »
The sooner this country breaks the better, but I don't forsee an American friendly replacement in the near future.  Ahmadinejad's rival in the last Presidential elections pretty much hated the US just as much.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2009, 03:03:58 AM »
All Barry has to do is give em words of encouragement......Reaga n did it with the Poles....barry is an incapable asshole.
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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2009, 04:43:44 AM »
All Barry has to do is give em words of encouragement......Reaga n did it with the Poles....barry is an incapable asshole.
I agree, he is an incapable asshole, but I think public support, or any perceived support for them might not be good.  I'm not sure it would even help.  These guys have to do it on their own or at least have the perception that this was solely a popular uprising.  IMO, low profile on our side is probably best for their cause.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2009, 05:56:46 AM »
I think if he said something kinda bland like " We support democracy and the rights of people to choose their form of government and would hope governments around the world would respect the basic human right to voice those rights through protest".

If Barry had balls he would say that " The US condemns any government that uses violence against its citizens while expressing the universal right to protest or gather. The regime in Iran has no respect for the political process. They pay lip service to a bankrupt electoral process that neither serves the people or allows for all voices to be heard throughout Iran. We call upon the government to allow those voices to be heard and the violence to cease".

After all when this first happened, Barry thought he could make a deal with the Iranians. I never though so but Barry sure did...well that worked out well. He knows by now that they suck and will never come to the table. He can't get the Russians on board nor China. They think he's weak Hugo....these people don't deal with weak people. They would deal with him even if he was pushing all this diplomacy bullshit, if they thought he's shot em in the face (figuratively) instead. The Russians can smell weakness. 

Instead he surfed and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a podium to deal with the Nigerian asshole. He does not understand foreign policy, our role in the world....this only interferes with taxing us to death and dragging us ever left.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2009, 06:29:53 AM »
He said something in responce to the protests that gave luke-warm support.  I wouldn't suggest assisting financially or militarily but would make a stronger statement about freedom from an oppressive regime.  Agree with what headhunter said above.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2009, 06:53:58 AM »
I think if he said something kinda bland like " We support democracy and the rights of people to choose their form of government and would hope governments around the world would respect the basic human right to voice those rights through protest".

If Barry had balls he would say that " The US condemns any government that uses violence against its citizens while expressing the universal right to protest or gather. The regime in Iran has no respect for the political process. They pay lip service to a bankrupt electoral process that neither serves the people or allows for all voices to be heard throughout Iran. We call upon the government to allow those voices to be heard and the violence to cease".

After all when this first happened, Barry thought he could make a deal with the Iranians. I never though so but Barry sure did...well that worked out well. He knows by now that they suck and will never come to the table. He can't get the Russians on board nor China. They think he's weak Hugo....these people don't deal with weak people. They would deal with him even if he was pushing all this diplomacy bullshit, if they thought he's shot em in the face (figuratively) instead. The Russians can smell weakness. 

Instead he surfed and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a podium to deal with the Nigerian asshole. He does not understand foreign policy, our role in the world....this only interferes with taxing us to death and dragging us ever left.


I could go with that.  You're probably right there.  I just don't think we can have the appearance of involvement.  And yea, at this point, I don't expect much out of Obama.  He's surrounded by shit advisers and doesn't have the bravery himself to stand strong for any righteous path.

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Re: Analysts see Iran at the breaking point.
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2009, 07:22:42 AM »
The protesters are the only real hope for a more Western looking Iran. I don' think we can do much more the encourage them. We all appear to agree. The folks who have been killing Iranian troops and causing mayhem in the countryside for the last several years are far worse then the current government. We have decided to limit our support.
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