Fake War on Terror Bullshit

[OzmO]

LOL...

yeah yeah we did have our fun back in the day

We sure did.   

Actually, you are the one who opened my eyes to this whole thing and got me real interested in it.  I'll never forget first watching the vid of the WTC coming down and seeing debris blasting out the windows in front of the collapse thinking....OMG  There are explosions! 

[quadzilla456]

I don't need to debunk.  The burden is on you to prove that the official story isn't true and instead, your version is.  Otherwise i could say an invisible spaghetti monster with god like powers did it - please debunk.

Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job!

Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.

So please let's get going I don't have all day!

[Soul Crusher]

Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job!

Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.

So please let's get going I don't have all day!

Look a conspiracy by definition is an agreement to commit an illegal act.  You need identify who agreed to this, who was in on it, how it was performed, and how it was covered up. 

Questions are fine and should be explored, by questions alone are not evidence. 

[240 is Back]

There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.

Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later.  So you never know.

We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete.  Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.

Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation.  Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember?  


So most people accept the official story is incomplete.  Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly.  Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.

[Soul Crusher]

There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.

Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later.  So you never know.

We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete.  Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.

Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation.  Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember?  


So most people accept the official story is incomplete.  Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly.  Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.

Thats fine do a new investigation, I agree, but that is not the same as saying a CT occurred much different than the fact that 19 terrorists hijacked planes, which after this weekend, shows that its not that hard to do. 

[240 is Back]

well, we know it was more than 19 people.  Zm and KSM alone show that.

And we *probably* know there were white guys in ties who knew it would happen and didn't stop it.  Bush got the memo, cheney was told something was coming at pentagon and said "the orders stand".  And of course, someone made millions short-sellnig the 2 airlines the day before the attacks - then NEVER COLLECTED the $.

The 911 commish said "since the stocks didn't have to do with al-quida, there was no need to discuss it".

And the $100k that pakistan general wired to Atta just 4 days before the attacks?  No need, he wasn't al-Q.  Ummmm....

And the pools of molten metal under the tower, 4 weeks after 911, still at 1500 degrees (completely impossible with jet fuel, as you know) - the 911 commission said it didn't matter because "it had nothing to do with al-Quida)




So yeah, it was a consipracy, more than those 19.
White guys in ties bet on it in the stock market, yes.
our allies paid the head terrorist $, that is true too.
And hte temps were higher a month afterwards than jet fuel can achieve at its peak, um...

believe what you'd like.  I think most of us would like to see another investigation which sadly, I don't think we'll ever see.

[OzmO]

Now with that I agree - no need to debunk that . Awesome job!

Well I am providing proof that raises questions that the official story isn't true. So I need you to debunk my evidence since I am claiming the conspiracy and you claim all the 911 CT have been debunked. The official story need to be exposed as a lie by me since I am the one wearing tinfoil on my head. Your job is to debunk my evidence or claims.

So please let's get going I don't have all day!

Well, pick one of your assertions, provide your evidence and we will go from there. (I'm willing to do all of them, but it will take some time, probably a few days)  Questions do not qualify as "proof" of anything.  Questions can be used to cast doubt, but they don't prove anything.  All you've done is made some assertions.  

But to indulge you, I'll give you this one:

Minimal airplane wreckage at Pennsylvania / Pentagon - please debunk.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm

All 94 passengers and crew on the C-130 transport plane died, the Interior Ministry said. Several children, at home because schools were closed due to a smog alert in the capital, were among the dead in the building, witnesses added.


where's the plane?


Here's more:

You see, that's what happens to planes (jet planes) when they hit a concrete building going very fast.  Questions aren't evidence.  Facts are.

[240 is Back]

Oz, that clip you posted with the jet hitting wall...   that's a TON of debris - on 911 there was only enough to fill the back of a pickup truck.

at the pentagon, the carbon nose of the plane penetrated 3 concrete outer rings.   Cut thru like butter.  the hole was small (critics say missile-sized) and cut very cleanly thru the walls. 

I dont know how a plane can disintegrate without debris - AND put a perfect hole thru 3 outer walls.  But then again, I"m not a scientist.  maybe it can happen.  Just not in the video you posted.

[240 is Back]

wait... must... not... get... sucked back into long-winded 911 arguments that never go anywhere! hahaa...

i'm off to watch mon night football guys.  another investigation would be nice, certainly everyone in the know agrees.  but it'll prob never happen, bottom line.  we might as well be arguing coke vs pepsi. 

[OzmO]

There is more than enough holes in the offficial story - admitted by the 2 co-chairs who wrote the document - to warrant a second investigation.

Pearl harbor had 4 investigations, decades later.  So you never know.

We should be able to all agree the official story is just incomplete.  Kean and hamilton have said the amount of things that were filtered by the white house as well as the info that has come to light since, demonstrates the need for another invesitgation.

Plus, every year there are thousands more people (who know more about this shit than message board twinks like us) who come fwd and risk their reputation by saying they support a new investigation.  Even Ms Palin said she'd support one, remember?  


So most people accept the official story is incomplete.  Anyone still defending that, well, they claim to know more than the authors of the document, which is silly.  Oz has said in the past that he supports a second investigation, same as most people who research it.

I still support a second investigation.  Not because i think it was an inside job.

[OzmO]

Oz, that clip you posted with the jet hitting wall...   that's a TON of debris - on 911 there was only enough to fill the back of a pickup truck.

at the pentagon, the carbon nose of the plane penetrated 3 concrete outer rings.   Cut thru like butter.  the hole was small (critics say missile-sized) and cut very cleanly thru the walls. 

I dont know how a plane can disintegrate without debris - AND put a perfect hole thru 3 outer walls.  But then again, I"m not a scientist.  maybe it can happen.  Just not in the video you posted.

That's quite an exaggeration on all points.  I'm not saying there should be no degris.  Plus,  i wonder if the f-4 was loaded with fuel.

[OzmO]

Did you expect it to look like this?

[OzmO]

wait... must... not... get... sucked back into long-winded 911 arguments that never go anywhere! hahaa...

i'm off to watch mon night football guys.  another investigation would be nice, certainly everyone in the know agrees.  but it'll prob never happen, bottom line.  we might as well be arguing coke vs pepsi. 

Coke.

[240 is Back]

brett favre just sent it to overtime....


























mountain dew, bitches.

[OzmO]

To hell with bret FAV  RAY


I won the super bowl, so i don't care now!

[headhuntersix]

Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.

[Soul Crusher]

Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.

Again, when someone puts forth a CT, its their obligation to prove it, whether its the JFK, Moon Landing, 911, etc. 

Sure there are questions with everything, but questions alone are not evidence. 

[headhuntersix]

That's the beauty of CT's...they can never be proven.

[shootfighter1]

Agree with 333.  This is an example of government/intelligence incompetence and failure to act on a reported radicalized muslim, even when given appropriate warning.

None of us know what's really going on internationally and I agree there are a lot of motives and agendas that are not public.  Agree with the lies about Iraq...there were probably multiple reasons we went there.  However, that doesn't detract from the fact that radical muslims have been fighting each other for centuries in the name of religion and now radical muslims have made western nations and innocent civilians their main target.

[headhuntersix]

Look at what Shoot says here....until u spend any time in these countries and read the local papers and watch the local news, u just don't get a flavor of how nuts these idiots are and how alien their beliefs and petty differences are. We hear about the Kurds in America...big allies...hate Arabs etc. Yeah...they have two groups of Kurds...they hate each other only slightly less then they hate the Arabs. No idea why they hate each other...its political but with alot more stupidity. Afghanistan is the same...its on a whole new level. We get past shit in the West, especially America.

[shootfighter1]

People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better.  We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion.  Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs.  It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).

IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying.  In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc.  We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and inappropriate military & infrastructure).  The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there.  Now, I say this as an outsider, not a military specialist.  They are privy to info which we don't know.

[Fury]

People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better.  We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion.  Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs.  It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).

IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying.  In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc.  We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and appropriate military & infrastructure).  The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there.  Now, I saw this as an outsider, not a military specialist.  They are privy to info which we don't know.

As it's becoming more and more apparent, the uneducated aren't the only ones at risk of being radicalized. The problem lies in Islam itself.

[garebear]

When I came to this country it was different all together. Also back then all I cared about was Bodybuilding and couldn't care less about politics. I seriously did not even vote in my home country. I could not care anything about politics. However had I known then what I know now I would not have come here. In fact I am of opinion that all governments the world over are corrupt. It would be nice not to belong to any country. Can you be an individual not governed by anyone??

My wife is American and I already have so much invested here that it would not be easy for me to just take off. I could if I had to I guess. There are good people in USA. I have met average folk and Americans are not as bad as the rest of the world makes them out to be. My American family are very decent, hardworking people. I could only hope to be as hardworking as they are.

I am disillusioned about what I see going on around us. It all started for me last year when oil prices started creeping up and I read about "Peak Oil" in a National Geographic article. I started researching that concept and then later in the year the economy tanked. Gradually I became more and more aware of all the agendas out there. Once you start looking at what is going on in the world and the human forces behind events it all makes a lot more sense.

Um, that's not really your wife. That woman is a robot, created by the CIA and KGB during the Boxer Rebellion in China. Jesus helped them as well, but no one was able to identify him because he was re-incarnated as the Easter Bunny - debunk.

Here is a picture of an early prototype of your wife created in a Nazi Lab, circa 1941. Look familiar?

[24KT]

Amazing quad...simply amazing. Maybe u ought to stick to bodybuilding. We deal with AQ here in Iraq every day. Where weapons found...nope but u CT guys all believe that 911 was an inside job but the fact that Saddam mocked up his whole WMD program to fool Iran and/or moved them to Syria just prior to the invasion..is much to far fetched. We didn't support the Taliban..there was no Taliban. We supported what would become the Northern Alliance under Ahmad Shah Massood...AQ killed him 10 Sept 2001. The Taliban came out of an ISI project to destabilize Afghanistan...around 1994. U can't call the Mujih's in the 1980's the Taliban...its not the same. There are plenty of books out there...read.

And who & what controls the ISI?   

[24KT]

Again, when someone puts forth a CT, its their obligation to prove it, whether its the JFK, Moon Landing, 911, etc. 

Sure there are questions with everything, but questions alone are not evidence. 

You want a Conspiracy theory, ...I'll give you a conspiracy FACT! It's The Canadian Conspiracy, and I got proof!
I just hope I don't lose my maple leaf for providing the goods, ...but it's too late for any of you Muricans to do anything about it. Your fate has already been sealed. mwahahahahha!

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 1/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 2/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 3/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 4/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 5/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 6/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 7/8

The Canadian Conspiracy Part 8/8