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U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:14:33 AM »
Updated December 30, 2009
U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas

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The U.S. government had intelligence from Yemen before Christmas that leaders of a branch of Al Qaeda there were talking about "a Nigerian" being prepared for a terrorist attack.

President Obama speaks to reporters Dec. 28 at the Marine Corps Base Hawaii at Kaneohe Bay. (AP Photo)

The U.S. government had intelligence from Yemen before Christmas that leaders of a branch of Al Qaeda there were talking about "a Nigerian" being prepared for a terrorist attack, the New York Times reported Tuesday.

A senior official told the Times that President Obama was told in a private meeting Tuesday while vacationing in Hawaii that the government had a variety of information in its possession before the failed bombing on a Detroit-bound flight last week that would have been a clear warning sign had it been shared among intelligence agencies.

The newspaper said the information did not include the name of the Nigerian.

A CIA official prepared a report on Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab after a meeting with the suspect's father in November, who shared information about his son's extremist views, CNN reported Tuesday. The report was sent to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, but it sat there for five weeks and was not disseminated, a "reliable source" said.

"Had that information been shared... [he] might have been denied passage on the Northwest Airlines flight," the source reportedly said.

A CIA spokesman confirmed the report Tuesday, saying: "We learned of Abdulmutallab in November, when his father came to the U.S. embassy in Nigeria and sought help in finding him. We did not have his name before then."

"This agency, like others in our government, is reviewing all data to which it had access, not just what we ourselves may have collected, to determine if more could have been done to stop Abdulmutallab."

The president acknowledged Tuesday that a "systemic failure" on multiple levels allowed Abdulmutallab to board the flight, amid growing evidence of missed warning signs.

The president, in his most extensive comments so far on what went wrong in the security process, said information about the terror suspect was not properly shared among agencies. He said that information, particularly a warning to authorities from the 23-year-old suspect's father in Nigeria, should have landed him on a no-fly list well before he boarded the Northwest Airlines flight in Amsterdam.

"The warning signs would have triggered red flags and the suspect would have never been allowed to board that plane for America," Obama said. "A systemic failure has occurred, and I consider that totally unacceptable."

Senior U.S. officials told The Associated Press that intelligence authorities are now looking at conversations between the suspect in the failed attack and at least one Al Qaeda member. They did not say how these communications with the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, took place -- by Internet, cell phone or another method.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said the conversations were vague or coded, but the intelligence community believes that, in hindsight, the communications may have been referring to the Detroit attack. One official said a link between the suspect's planning and Al Qaeda's goals was becoming more clear.

Obama said a mix of "human and systemic failures" contributed to what could have been a "catastrophic breach of security."

A senior administration official, speaking with reporters on condition of anonymity, said enough was known about the suspect to stop him, but the government didn't connect the dots.

"It is now clear to us that there were bits and pieces of information that were in the possession of the U.S. government in advance of the Christmas Day attack -- the attempted Christmas Day attack -- that had they been assessed and correlated could have led to a much broader picture and allowed us to disrupt the attack," the official said.

The suspect was not on the "no-fly" list or a separate list that would have required secondary screening at an airport.

Obama said there were several "deficiencies" in the intelligence-gathering process, and that information about the suspect "could have and should have been pieced together."

"It's becoming clear that the system that's been in place for years now is not sufficiently up to date to take full advantage of the information we collect and the knowledge we have," Obama said.


The comments come as the administration launches a review of airport screening and the terror watch list system. The president said a preliminary review is due to him by Thursday.

"We need to learn from this episode and act quickly to fix the flaws in our system because our security is at stake and lives are at stake," he said.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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1.  Obama is a systemic failure all on to himself.

2.  BLAMING BUSH STILL! 

3.  This disgrace is truly the dumbest man ever.  In the same paragraph he say the two following things. 


"The warning signs would have triggered red flags and the suspect would have never been allowed to board that plane for America,"


AND THEN WE GET THIS GEM:


"It's becoming clear that the system that's been in place for years now is not sufficiently up to date to take full advantage of the information we collect and the knowledge we have," Obama said.


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WTF is he talking about? 

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 06:18:38 AM »
" My fellow Americans, while a tragedy has been averted we must do better. It is my fault and my fault alone that we were unable to stop this man well before he boarded that plane. We as a administration must do better to combat terrorism and ensure the safety of the American people at home and abroad"......or whine like a little failing fucking worthless piece of shitscumbagasshatlibdouc hbagantiAmericanmarxistf ucktard that he is.
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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 06:22:40 AM »
i'm not following.

cia had the info but didnt share it.

we're shitting on obama for this?

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 06:23:27 AM »
I'M SERIOUSLY BEGINNING TO WONDER IF HE IS DOING COKE AGAIN.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 06:24:00 AM »
i'm not following.

cia had the info but didnt share it.

we're shitting on obama for this?

State Department had it as well. 

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 06:26:07 AM »
State Department had it as well. 


where does it say that?

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 06:26:56 AM »
i'm not following.

cia had the info but didnt share it.

we're shitting on obama for this?

That seems to be the jest of it. Little johnny falls off his bike and skins his knee... blame Obama!
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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 06:34:28 AM »
Its all over the news.  The father warned the State Department twice in the last six months. 


 

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 06:40:52 AM »
As the commander in chief, the responsibility does fall on Obama.  This is clearly an intelligence failure and only by chance did we avoid 300 dead innocent people.

I don't know if this incident is directly the Obama administration's fault or the fault of intelligence protocols that were already in place.  

I suspect that the signal to handle terrorists, suspected radicals and terror threats differently traveled from the administration down through the CIA, FBI, state dept, etc.  I wonder if there is some fear of punishment or criticism on behalf of our intelligence agencies for being potentially too threatening or harsh toward suspected terrorists.  Whereas the Bush administration may have implied overpersuit, the Obama administration has sent signals to change tone and back off.  However, I don't know if this has direct impact on the failure of the intelligence agencies in this attack, or the attack in Ft. Hood.  Either way, things have to change.  We have been attacked twice now in the past couple months and there have been other foiled attempts this yr.  We must communicate better intra-agency, not be afraid to use professional profiling, and not be so P.C. as to ignore terror warning signs for fear of offending a group.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 06:41:48 AM »
I'M SERIOUSLY BEGINNING TO WONDER IF HE IS DOING COKE AGAIN.
  Bush ?
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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 06:42:06 AM »
This just gets worse and worse.  We had ample warnings of this guy as a possible terrorist and a strike from a somali radical against an airline.  Horrible failure of our security.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 06:44:01 AM »
Its all over the news.  The father warned the State Department twice in the last six months. 


 

thats not gonna cut it. Post an article, video that says the state department had the scoop on this guy. Because all im hearing is that cia mt with the father and simply didnt share the info.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 06:46:42 AM »
jag, in fairness, this is what the left did with Bush in his 2nd term.
The truth is that everything falls to the president when there are government mistakes.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 06:49:08 AM »
US officials warned that alleged plane bomber may be under extremists' influence
MATTHEW LEE Associated Press Writer
7:52 PM CST, December 28, 2009

 
UPDATES photo; graphic shows profile of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab (J. Bell, AP / December 28, 2009)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department says counterterrorism agencies were warned that the Nigerian man who allegedly tried to blow up an airliner Christmas Day may be under extremists' influence.

State Department spokesman Ian Kelly says it was up to the National Counterterrorism Center to coordinate the interagency effort that would have blocked 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from entering the U.S. He says U.S. counterterror agencies received the information on Nov. 20, a day after it was provided by the father, but it was not enough to revoke the visa.

Kelly says officials get thousands of negative messages about people that are not always accurate.

He says Abdulmutallab got the two-year tourist visa in 2008 because he had money, was attending a reputable school and had visited the U.S. before.

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Why is Hillary silent on this? 

She is the head of State Department no? 

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 06:52:47 AM »
great. even more heads knew about it.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2009, 06:53:36 AM »
2nd coming, they were clearly warned by his father.  Multiple sources have reported this.  This was an extremely credible source and better steps taken.  We must err on the side of overprotecting the innocent.  This terrorist should have at very least been denied a VISA and placed on a no-fly list.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2009, 06:56:38 AM »
wait a minute. That article was posted on the 28th. that doesnt tell me the state department had the scoop prior to the attack. It is saying what the 33's original article says.


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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2009, 06:59:23 AM »
2nd coming, they were clearly warned by his father.  Multiple sources have reported this.  This was an extremely credible source and better steps taken.  We must err on the side of overprotecting the innocent.  This terrorist should have at very least been denied a VISA and placed on a no-fly list.

he was on a no-fly list.

Who let thus fuck on the plane.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2009, 07:07:11 AM »
WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department says counterterrorism agencies were warned that the Nigerian man who allegedly tried to blow up an airliner Christmas Day may be under extremists' influence.

33, this doesnt tell me the state dept. was aware of what this guy was about to do. Of course, he was on record along with thousands of others. CIA got the memo and didnt share it.


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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2009, 07:07:38 AM »
He was not on a no fly list, look it up.  That's what the media and the public is appropriately complaining about.  

"The suspect was not on the "no-fly" list or a separate list that would have required secondary screening at an airport"

Another report for ya...CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/29/airline.terror.cia/index.html

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2009, 07:13:17 AM »
He was not on a no fly list, look it up.  That's what the media and the public is appropriately complaining about.  

"The suspect was not on the "no-fly" list or a separate list that would have required secondary screening at an airport"

Another report for ya...CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/29/airline.terror.cia/index.html

i posted the same article in another thread. The article also says cia didnt circulate the intel. And had they done so, he wouldnt have boarded the plane.

so what we know is that he wasnt on a no-fly list and cia didnt share the intel.

i think we can point the finger at joe schmoe in the cia now.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2009, 07:15:34 AM »
Well, the CIA and state dept are definitely at fault.  Now we have to look at what environment they are working in and if the signals from the administration made them back off on thoroughly investigating terror threats.

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Re: U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2009, 07:41:19 AM »
obama shouild fire the people at these departments who didn't put it on his desk.

Not a single person was fired, demoted, or blamed for the 911 events, when a group of people just decided to break protocol simultaneously.