THIS..is a gym!

[pellius]

pellius how much for a membership to this gym I want to join, Blood and Guts baby

It's free. It's adjacent to a Baptist church that serves as a half way house. 90% of the member are ex-cons trying to reintegrate into society. You just sort of show up, train, and mind your own business and after a while, if they decide not to kick your ass, you are part of the crew.

Any gym minus cardio equipment and air conditioning will keep out the foo foo trainers. Throw in some ex-cons as members and you drive away what is frequently becoming the most insidious parasites to infect the modern gym environment: the shadow boxers/TapOut crowd.

[Coach is Back!]

No, it's just assuming you define powerlifting as performing your 1 rep max. Demonstrating strength and developing strength are two different things.

Sorry, I was referring to Vince. The way he said powerlifting has no business in bodybuilding I assumed he meant powerlift exercises.

[pellius]

Agreed, Pellis can you post a pic of the inside?

LOL! There is no inside. The only other part of the gym you can't see is slightly to the left where the squat rack (how apropos) is cut off.

[Mr Nobody]

It's free. It's adjacent to a Baptist church that serves as a half way house. 90% of the member are ex-cons trying to reintegrate into society. You just sort of show up, train, and mind your own business and after a while, if they decide not to kick your ass, you are part of the crew.

Any gym minus cardio equipment and air conditioning will keep out the foo foo trainers. Throw in some ex-cons as members and you drive away what is frequently becoming the most insidious parasites to infect the modern gym environment: the shadow boxers/TapOut crowd.

Now thats a gym fuck fancy machines a such

[dyslexic]

i think you ARE missing something. Its a very true statement...muscleheads believe more crap....

they make up some comprehension that suits them or explains it to themselves and most times its completely wrong and doesnt go deep enough to the root cause of the concept.
Ambiguous and Random are completely different. Ambiguity is something that is unclear. Random is something that is chance based. Believe does not mean "understand" - at all!
and comprehend- is more an ability to understand the language or ones own rationale- it doesnt mean that they understand the true concept.

Good reply. It was not my intention to imply that the two terms were synonymous, one with the other.


Of course "belief" does not mean 'comprehend'-- this is why we come up with words like "faith".... no?

[pellius]

Now thats a gym fuck fancy machines a such

Believe me, I'm all for trying to act like mister no bones tough guy but there are days when I look at that rusty old squat rack and wish for one of those nice shiny Nautilus leg press machines. The one where you sit upright like when you are driving a car. I never care for the traditional 45 degree angle leg press where you lie on your back.

But at least you get to use chaulk and it has that platform where you can just dump the bar and nobody gives you a second look. And you don't have those annoying guys always around you cleaning stuff and sweeping like they did at the 24 Hour in Cali. I mean, I shouldn't bag on those guys because I'm sure they hate having to sweep around you but their boss is always on their ass about keeping the place spotless.

[Mr Nobody]

Believe me, I'm all for trying to act like mister no bones tough guy but there are days when I look at that rusty old squat rack and wish for one of those nice shiny Nautilus leg press machines. The one where you sit upright like when you are driving a car. I never care for the traditional 45 degree angle leg press where you lie on your back.

But at least you get to use chaulk and it has that platform where you can just dump the bar and nobody gives you a second look. And you don't have those annoying guys always around you cleaning stuff and sweeping like they did at the 24 Hour in Cali. I mean, I shouldn't bag on those guys because I'm sure they hate having to sweep around you but their boss is always on their ass about keeping the place spotless.

X2 hardcore man

[Vince B]

Sorry, I was referring to Vince. The way he said powerlifting has no business in bodybuilding I assumed he meant powerlift exercises.

Deadlifts really heavy are dangerous and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Period. You can tear biceps doing it plus damage your spine. I tore my right biceps doing a heavy deadlift. Enough said.

Bench pressing is a dangerous exercise. Eventually you will have sore shoulders. If you do it ballistically and heavy you might tear a pec. Way too many bodybuilders have torn pecs.

Seeing how much you can deadlift or bench press is lunacy. Ditto for squats or arm wrestling.

You see, the beliefs are part of the vocabulary of bodybuilding. Nothing I say will change things for people like JME. He can't learn because of what he accepts as the truth.

[Coach is Back!]

Deadlifts really heavy are dangerous and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Period. You can tear biceps doing it plus damage your spine. I tore my right biceps doing a heavy deadlift. Enough said.

Bench pressing is a dangerous exercise. Eventually you will have sore shoulders. If you do it ballistically and heavy you might tear a pec. Way too many bodybuilders have torn pecs.

Seeing how much you can deadlift or bench press is lunacy. Ditto for squats or arm wrestling.

You see, the beliefs are part of the vocabulary of bodybuilding. Nothing I say will change things for people like JME. He can't learn because of what he accepts as the truth.

Yes Vince, because I have no idea what I'm talking about!

[Devon97]

Deadlifts really heavy are dangerous and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Period. You can tear biceps doing it plus damage your spine. I tore my right biceps doing a heavy deadlift. Enough said.

Bench pressing is a dangerous exercise. Eventually you will have sore shoulders. If you do it ballistically and heavy you might tear a pec. Way too many bodybuilders have torn pecs.

Seeing how much you can deadlift or bench press is lunacy. Ditto for squats or arm wrestling.

You see, the beliefs are part of the vocabulary of bodybuilding. Nothing I say will change things for people like JME. He can't learn because of what he accepts as the truth.

Anything can be dangerous if performed incorrectly with an inadequate warmup.

[che]

Deadlifts really heavy are dangerous and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Period. You can tear biceps doing it plus damage your spine. I tore my right biceps doing a heavy deadlift. Enough said.

Bench pressing is a dangerous exercise. Eventually you will have sore shoulders. If you do it ballistically and heavy you might tear a pec. Way too many bodybuilders have torn pecs.

Seeing how much you can deadlift or bench press is lunacy. Ditto for squats or arm wrestling.

You see, the beliefs are part of the vocabulary of bodybuilding. Nothing I say will change things for people like JME. He can't learn because of what he accepts as the truth.

Yes ,
deadlifts ,are hard for your back and biceps
benchpress ,hard on your shoulders,triceps and elbows and pecs
squat, hard on your back ,knees and ass
shoulder press hard on your shoulders
curls,.....................................................

Vince is right from now on I'm staying at home , fuck working out ,it's too dangerous

[DroppingPlates]

Deadlifts really heavy are dangerous and shouldn't be done by bodybuilders. Period. You can tear biceps doing it plus damage your spine. I tore my right biceps doing a heavy deadlift. Enough said.

Bench pressing is a dangerous exercise. Eventually you will have sore shoulders. If you do it ballistically and heavy you might tear a pec. Way too many bodybuilders have torn pecs.

Seeing how much you can deadlift or bench press is lunacy. Ditto for squats or arm wrestling.

You see, the beliefs are part of the vocabulary of bodybuilding. Nothing I say will change things for people like JME. He can't learn because of what he accepts as the truth.

I agree with the going-to-heavy mistake. Most fibres are recruited during a 60-80% rep/max workload. As long you can train with good form I don't think the ballistic aspect would be an issue with the possible exception during low carb periods.

This whole machine vs free weight discussion is similar like this one about an interesting article Bob Chick once wrote.

[Coach is Back!]

Yes ,
deadlifts ,are hard for your back and biceps
benchpress ,hard on your shoulders,triceps and elbows and pecs
squat, hard on your back ,knees and ass
shoulder press hard on your shoulders
curls,.....................................................

Vince is right from now on I'm staying at home , fuck working out ,it's too dangerous

LOL.......that about sums it up doesn't it?

[haider]

Coach why are you wearing straps while doing barbell curls? 

[Coach is Back!]

Coach why are you wearing straps while doing barbell curls? 

I like them for certain exercises. I sometimes ware them when I bench as well, makes me feel secure since I use a false grip. My preference.

[pellius]

Coach walking the walk. Pretty damn impressive.

[pellius]

I don't understand why the traditional bench press has gotten such a bad rap lately. Nobody, as far as I know, considers push-ups to be a bad or dangerous exercise when it's movement is virtually identical to the bench. I think the problem is using excessive weight, poor form, and using explosive movements.

[DroppingPlates]

I don't understand why the traditional bench press has gotten such a bad rap lately. Nobody, as far as I know, considers push-ups to be a bad or dangerous exercise when it's movement is virtually identical to the bench. I think the problem is using excessive weight, poor form, and using explosive movements.

X2

[Vince B]

Well, the bench press is something we all grew up with. So it was part of every program. It doesn't take a great mind to be aware of the immense forces on the deltoid muscles doing bench presses. Matter of fact, the bench is a great exercise for the front deltoids. The problem is the rotator cuff can get damaged by those heavy weights. Once that happens you get pain when you bench. Goodbye bench press. If I had to do it all again I wouldn't do bench pressing. At the least I would keep reps above 8 and maybe even 12. It did nothing for my upper pecs. Bev Francis loved bench pressing and did well over 330 pounds weighing 180. She had great upper pecs from that movement. The thing is we have to stop copying stuff we hear and see and figure out how to actually build our own muscles. Guys like Gironda and Larry Scott and even Ray Mentzer studied the body and knew how to target individual muscles. There is no substitute for analysis and experience. The technology of bodybuilding is just as important as the theory.

Pellius is right. You don't have to want to get big to be a student of hypertrophy. It helps, though, to actually do hypertrophy training. Only then can you get enough feedback at various stages to know what to keep and what to change. Some exercises work up to a point then no further progress is made using it. That is experience. Eg., triceps pressdowns don't usually do much for arms over 17 1/2 inches.

The coach has paid his dues. Maybe a barbell fell on his head doing bench pressing? Gyms can be like that. I think something like that happened to me because Joe Gold knocked on his wooden desk when I told him I wanted to bulk up like Malcolm Brenner. I never did get as big as Brenner did.

[TacoBell]

I like them for certain exercises. I sometimes ware them when I bench as well, makes me feel secure since I use a false grip. My preference.

dont lie, thats you doing deadlifts. 

[chaos]

dont lie, thats you doing deadlifts. 

Beat me to it!!

[TacoBell]

Yes Vince, because I have no idea what I'm talking about!

Chaos, if u didnt like Coach, as I do as well, critique this picture for me. 

[Coach is Back!]

Well, the bench press is something we all grew up with. So it was part of every program. It doesn't take a great mind to be aware of the immense forces on the deltoid muscles doing bench presses. Matter of fact, the bench is a great exercise for the front deltoids. The problem is the rotator cuff can get damaged by those heavy weights. Once that happens you get pain when you bench. Goodbye bench press. If I had to do it all again I wouldn't do bench pressing. At the least I would keep reps above 8 and maybe even 12. It did nothing for my upper pecs. Bev Francis loved bench pressing and did well over 330 pounds weighing 180. She had great upper pecs from that movement. The thing is we have to stop copying stuff we hear and see and figure out how to actually build our own muscles. Guys like Gironda and Larry Scott and even Ray Mentzer studied the body and knew how to target individual muscles. There is no substitute for analysis and experience. The technology of bodybuilding is just as important as the theory.

Pellius is right. You don't have to want to get big to be a student of hypertrophy. It helps, though, to actually do hypertrophy training. Only then can you get enough feedback at various stages to know what to keep and what to change. Some exercises work up to a point then no further progress is made using it. That is experience. Eg., triceps pressdowns don't usually do much for arms over 17 1/2 inches.

The coach has paid his dues. Maybe a barbell fell on his head doing bench pressing? Gyms can be like that. I think something like that happened to me because Joe Gold knocked on his wooden desk when I told him I wanted to bulk up like Malcolm Brenner. I never did get as big as Brenner did.

Well Vince, you're getting closer, your half right. As far as the rotator cuff.....those are some of those "stabilizers" that I often refer too. Stabilize the joint first, then add progressive loads. As for rotator cuff problems while benching, don't confuse rotator cuff tears with labral injuries or tears. Since machines are primarly isolation movements, your chances of injury are greater when going heavier. Vince, EVERYTHING I've talked about in this thread were not only based on research but published case studies along with 35 years of training, training others and flat out commonsense. I'm not pulling shit out of my ass Vince, if you look hard enough, the research is there.

[Coach is Back!]

Chaos, if u didnt like Coach, as I do as well, critique this picture for me. 

Aahhh shit...here we go! Sorry you don't like me TacoBell.

[chaos]

Chaos, if u didnt like Coach, as I do as well, critique this picture for me. 

Brutal double underhand grip with straps to deadlift 135lbs, epic 1990's "Fox" hat pulled down too low by a 50 year old that thinks he's still 30, monster wearing a shirt 2 sizes smaller than normal cause a normal sized shirt would look like a dress, dynamic still being on the juice despite claiming you quit months ago, pathetically being so short the curl rack is above your waist, epic gyno poking through your shirt, monster wearing a belt under your shirt to hold in your fat gut, gayly listening to an I-pod with beyonce and lagy gaga blaring in your ears to help you feel "hip", strangely struggling to hold onto the bar and not drop it while the picture is being taken, epic taking your camera to the gym to prove to Vince "fat bastard" Basile that you actually workout, terrible ego lifting for no practical purpose.....