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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2010, 06:09:51 AM »
His race has little to do with it, at least in the manner you and Steele want to believe. As you said above, the fact that he was ":not Bush" played strongly in his favor. His relative inexperience and the fact that he didn't seem like your ROM pol worked in his favor. Hilary's record as an elected official wasn't too much more extensive, but even her lengthy residence in Washington worked against her. Still, during the primary, the "knee-padding" was at a minimum. Hilary was considered front-runner initially.He became more of a phenomenon as the campaign went on because it became obvious that he was actually a serious contender.

Yes it was.  Can you imagine a first term white Senator with ZERO experience, attended the equivalent of a white power church for 20 years, was friends with McVeigh, named Barry McCaffrey having beaten Hillary in the primary?  Be honest.

He became a "phenom" because of his race and the media creating a myth that never was.  It was the fools who fell for it like every other slick marketing campaign. 

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2010, 06:14:06 AM »
Yes it was.  Can you imagine a first term white Senator with ZERO experience, attended the equivalent of a white power church for 20 years, was friends with McVeigh, named Barry McCaffrey having beaten Hillary in the primary?  Be honest.

He became a "phenom" because of his race and the media creating a myth that never was.  It was the fools who fell for it like every other slick marketing campaign. 

Why do you think Hilary was so  much more qualified than Obama?

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2010, 06:17:11 AM »
Why do you think Hilary was so  much more qualified than Obama?

She was a Senator for a far longer period, was in the WH for eight years and knew the workings etc, actually practiced law, and actually dealt with more of the issues we face.

I disagree with her a ton on a lot of stuff, but the two are not even close.   

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2010, 06:34:31 AM »
She wasn't a senator for "far longer". She was a second-term senator, Obama was a first. Her field of law was not political or economic and I would not consider Laura Bush's, Barbra Bush's or Nancy Reagan's time in the WH as preparation for a political career.

That being said, Hilary's political connections worked against her. She looked like business as usual. She was considered an insider when people were looking for the opposite.

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2010, 06:48:50 AM »
She wasn't a senator for "far longer". She was a second-term senator, Obama was a first. Her field of law was not political or economic and I would not consider Laura Bush's, Barbra Bush's or Nancy Reagan's time in the WH as preparation for a political career.

That being said, Hilary's political connections worked against her. She looked like business as usual. She was considered an insider when people were looking for the opposite.

And what did they get? 

The Black George W. Bush owned by Wall Street gangsters.   

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2010, 09:54:15 AM »
Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem

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The president always knew that his greatest appeal was not as a leader but as a cultural symbol.

SHELBY STEELE


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America still has a race problem, though not the one that conventional wisdom would suggest: the racism of whites toward blacks. Old fashioned white racism has lost its legitimacy in the world and become an almost universal disgrace.

The essence of our new "post-modern" race problem can be seen in the parable of the emperor's new clothes. The emperor was told by his swindling tailors that people who could not see his new clothes were stupid and incompetent. So when his new clothes arrived and he could not see them, he put them on anyway so that no one would think him stupid and incompetent. And when he appeared before his people in these new clothes, they too—not wanting to appear stupid and incompetent—exclaimed the beauty of his wardrobe. It was finally a mere child who said, "The emperor has no clothes."

The lie of seeing clothes where there were none amounted to a sophistication—joining oneself to an obvious falsehood in order to achieve social acceptance. In such a sophistication there is an unspoken agreement not to see what one clearly sees—in this case the emperor's flagrant nakedness.

America's primary race problem today is our new "sophistication" around racial matters. Political correctness is a compendium of sophistications in which we join ourselves to obvious falsehoods ("diversity") and refuse to see obvious realities (the irrelevance of diversity to minority development). I would argue further that Barack Obama's election to the presidency of the United States was essentially an American sophistication, a national exercise in seeing what was not there and a refusal to see what was there—all to escape the stigma not of stupidity but of racism.

Barack Obama, elegant and professorially articulate, was an invitation to sophistication that America simply could not bring itself to turn down. If "hope and change" was an empty political slogan, it was also beautiful clothing that people could passionately describe without ever having seen.

Mr. Obama won the presidency by achieving a symbiotic bond with the American people: He would labor not to show himself, and Americans would labor not to see him. As providence would have it, this was a very effective symbiosis politically. And yet, without self-disclosure on the one hand or cross-examination on the other, Mr. Obama became arguably the least known man ever to step into the American presidency.

Our new race problem—the sophistication of seeing what isn't there rather than what is—has surprised us with a president who hides his lack of economic understanding behind a drama of scale. Hundreds of billions moving into trillions. Dramatic, history-making numbers. But where is the economic logic behind a stimulus package that doesn't fully click in for a number of years? How is every stimulus dollar spent actually going to stimulate? Why bailouts to institutions that only hoard the money? How is vast government spending simultaneously a kind of prudence that will not "add to the deficit?" How can such spending not trigger smothering levels of taxation?

Mr. Obama's economic thinking (or lack thereof) adds up to a kind of rudderless cowboyism combined with wishful thinking. You would think that in the two solid years of daily campaigning leading up to his election this nakedness would have been seen.

On the foreign front he has been given much credit for his new policy on the Afghan war, and especially for the "rational" and "earnest" way he went about arriving at the decision to surge 30,000 new troops into battle. But here also were three months of presidential equivocation for all the world to see, only to end up essentially where he started out.

And here again was the lack of a larger framework of meaning. How is this surge of a piece with America's role in the world? Are we the world's exceptional power and thereby charged with enforcing a certain balance of power, or are we now embracing European self-effacement and nonengagement? Where is the clear center in all this?

I think that Mr. Obama is not just inexperienced; he is also hampered by a distinct inner emptiness—not an emptiness that comes from stupidity or a lack of ability but an emptiness that has been actually nurtured and developed as an adaptation to the political world.

The nature of this emptiness becomes clear in the contrast between him and Ronald Reagan. Reagan reached the White House through a great deal of what is called "individuating"—that is he took principled positions throughout his long career that jeopardized his popularity, and in so doing he came to know who he was as a man and what he truly believed.

He became Ronald Reagan through dissent, not conformity. And when he was finally elected president, it was because America at last wanted the vision that he had evolved over a lifetime of challenging conventional wisdom. By the time Reagan became president, he had fought his way to a remarkable certainty about who he was, what he believed, and where he wanted to lead the nation.

Mr. Obama's ascendancy to the presidency could not have been more different. There seems to have been very little individuation, no real argument with conventional wisdom, and no willingness to jeopardize popularity for principle. To the contrary, he has come forward in American politics by emptying himself of strong convictions, by rejecting principled stands as "ideological," and by promising to deliver us from the "tired" culture-war debates of the past. He aspires to be "post-ideological," "post-racial" and "post-partisan," which is to say that he defines himself by a series of "nots"—thus implying that being nothing is better than being something. He tries to make a politics out of emptiness itself.

But then Mr. Obama always knew that his greatest appeal was not as a leader but as a cultural symbol. He always wore the bargainer's mask—winning the loyalty and gratitude of whites by flattering them with his racial trust: I will presume that you are not a racist if you will not hold my race against me. Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan and yes, Tiger Woods have all been superb bargainers, eliciting almost reverential support among whites for all that they were not—not angry or militant, not political, not using their moral authority as blacks to exact a wage from white guilt.

But this mask comes at a high price. When blacks become humanly visible, when their true beliefs are known, their mask shatters and their symbiotic bond with whites is broken. Think of Tiger Woods, now so humanly visible. Or think of Bill Cosby, who in recent years has challenged the politically correct view and let the world know what he truly thinks about the responsibility of blacks in their own uplift.

It doesn't matter that Mr. Woods lost his bargainer's charm through self-destructive behavior and that Mr. Cosby lost his through a courageous determination to individuate—to take public responsibility for his true convictions. The appeal of both men—as objects of white identification—was diminished as their human reality emerged. Many whites still love Mr. Cosby, but they worry now that expressing their affection openly may identify them with his ideas, thus putting them at risk of being seen as racist. Tiger Woods, of course, is now so tragically human as to have, as the Bible put it, "no name in the street."

A greater problem for our nation today is that we have a president whose benign—and therefore desirable—blackness exempted him from the political individuation process that makes for strong, clear-headed leaders. He has not had to gamble his popularity on his principles, and it is impossible to know one's true beliefs without this. In the future he may stumble now and then into a right action, but there is no hard-earned center to the man out of which he might truly lead.

And yes, white America conditioned Barack Obama to emptiness—valued him all along for his "articulate and clean" blackness, so flattering to American innocence. He is a president come to us out of our national insecurities.

Mr. Steele is a senior research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

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Shelby Steele has written what I believe the Article of the Year on this issue.

Now we all have to suffer because guilt ridden white liberals and ignorant morons were too self absorbed to do any real examination of just who the heck they were voting for.   

333376,  I take it you are one of those Old fashioned whites that this article references?

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2010, 02:53:45 PM »
Even when a black person points out the absurdity of Barry's election to the White House, the response to his assertions have nothing to do with the substance of the article itself.

Instead vague references are made to political predictions, books, other presidential candidates and et al.---

For you idiots to be convinced that Barry's election was the biggest con of all time, the country will have to completely collapse. Actually, even then I think you dim witted douchebags would go on some tirade about how GW Bush is to blame and how Obama's election was a monumental achievement in American History. I will say this-- It is an achievement in that it demonstrates that stupid people will always believe what they want to believe regardless of the obvious truth, evidence to the contrary and the undeniable consequences to follow. His election proves that the American public is by and large comprised of total fucking morons, regardless of their "education". Finally, we have seen on a large scale that the survival of this nation-- our economy, our national security and our place in the world - is secondary to the collective and suicidal idiocy of the left wanting to feel good about itself by fooling the public into electing an empty suit into the most powerful position in the world... all because he happens to have black skin.  He's less than a Manchurian Candidate--- He's just a chump. A used car salesman, ambulence chasing, fake it to make it con artist. The greatest con of all time to be exact.

One year in, we are 1000x worse off than before. Soak it up guys. The false prophet is digging his own political grave for himself and your entire party.

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 04:18:35 PM »
Even when a black person points out the absurdity of Barry's election to the White House, the response to his assertions have nothing to do with the substance of the article itself.

Instead vague references are made to political predictions, books, other presidential candidates and et al.---

For you idiots to be convinced that Barry's election was the biggest con of all time, the country will have to completely collapse. Actually, even then I think you dim witted douchebags would go on some tirade about how GW Bush is to blame and how Obama's election was a monumental achievement in American History. I will say this-- It is an achievement in that it demonstrates that stupid people will always believe what they want to believe regardless of the obvious truth, evidence to the contrary and the undeniable consequences to follow. His election proves that the American public is by and large comprised of total fucking morons, regardless of their "education". Finally, we have seen on a large scale that the survival of this nation-- our economy, our national security and our place in the world - is secondary to the collective and suicidal idiocy of the left wanting to feel good about itself by fooling the public into electing an empty suit into the most powerful position in the world... all because he happens to have black skin.  He's less than a Manchurian Candidate--- He's just a chump. A used car salesman, ambulence chasing, fake it to make it con artist. The greatest con of all time to be exact.

One year in, we are 1000x worse off than before. Soak it up guys. The false prophet is digging his own political grave for himself and your entire party.

Presidents don't dictate the economy.

I'll go a step further and argue only the very wealthy/connected are affected by election outcomes. People are just overly invested in silly shit like this because admitting their lives haven't changed one bit beyond whatever emotional nonsense they worry about is too hard.

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 05:48:37 AM »
Presidents don't dictate the economy.

I'll go a step further and argue only the very wealthy/connected are affected by election outcomes. People are just overly invested in silly shit like this because admitting their lives haven't changed one bit beyond whatever emotional nonsense they worry about is too hard.

Absolutely not true. 

The president sets the tone for the country and via the executive branch has a masive impact on the economy.  Just look at the recent EPA ruling over carbon dioxide and MPG standards they are trying to enforce.

Additionally, this president, and Bush too, directly harmed us via the bailouts by screwing us for generations.  We are going to have inflation which is in essence a hidden tax hike due to the weak dollar policy and printing presses to fund all the garbage they are doing. 

Finally, this president is pushing an agenda, health care & crap & tax, that will negatively impact almost everyone of all levels.   

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Re: Obama and Our Post-Modern Race Problem - (Article of the year)
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2010, 01:05:05 PM »
Absolutely not true. 

The president sets the tone for the country and via the executive branch has a masive impact on the economy.  Just look at the recent EPA ruling over carbon dioxide and MPG standards they are trying to enforce.

Additionally, this president, and Bush too, directly harmed us via the bailouts by screwing us for generations.  We are going to have inflation which is in essence a hidden tax hike due to the weak dollar policy and printing presses to fund all the garbage they are doing. 

Finally, this president is pushing an agenda, health care & crap & tax, that will negatively impact almost everyone of all levels.   

I couldn't disagree more strongly.

Most people's financial lives wouldn't be any different if Jesus "H" Christ were president. Elections are just distractions so the masses can feel connected or against someone who represents an agenda. In some odd way we'd be better off with a monarchy.... people would have less hope. :)