Author Topic: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well  (Read 2886 times)

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were there any terrorist attacks (suicide bombings etc) before the afghanis were played as pawns in a war between russia and the US

or were they systematically radicalized by US back then? ...

makes sense....a soldier thats not only not afraid to die but WANTS to die and meet virgins and allah is formidable.
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 09:35:45 AM »
There was no "Taliban" when the USSR invaded Afghanistan, and the US did not create them. The Taliban did not come about until after the USSR withdrew and were created for all intensive purposes by the Pakistani ISI.
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 11:52:39 AM »
There was no "Taliban" when the USSR invaded Afghanistan, and the US did not create them. The Taliban did not come about until after the USSR withdrew and were created for all intensive purposes by the Pakistani ISI.

dosen't the ISI do the CIAs dirty work ?  :-\ and i dont think the ISI had the means to arm the taliban

my question....the taliban has been awefully convenient for a lot of people that are anti taliban...in forwarding their ajendas....
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM »
Are u kidding...the ISI trained them out of Pakistan. They radicalized em and they funded them. These guys didn't need a whole lot...Afghanistan is awash with weapons. The ISI broke with the CIA in the late 60's. They have had contacts and we used the ISI to funnel guns to the mujih's during the Soviet occupation. But they called the shots. The ISI funded alot of nutbags while we prefered guys like Massod...drug runners but not radicals. The ISI would fund bugs bunny if it ment keeping the wack jobs on the other side of the border...it wasn't so much that they wanted to train radicals as that groups like the taliban would keep Afghanistan from cozing up to India, who as u know, they hate worse. Its only recently that we've convinced them that the Taliban is more of a threat then India. They keep far more troops on that side of the border....their nukes are all on the Taliban side of the border..which scares us.
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 03:09:34 PM »
Are u kidding...the ISI trained them out of Pakistan. They radicalized em and they funded them. These guys didn't need a whole lot...Afghanistan is awash with weapons. The ISI broke with the CIA in the late 60's. They have had contacts and we used the ISI to funnel guns to the mujih's during the Soviet occupation. But they called the shots. The ISI funded alot of nutbags while we prefered guys like Massod...drug runners but not radicals. The ISI would fund bugs bunny if it ment keeping the wack jobs on the other side of the border...it wasn't so much that they wanted to train radicals as that groups like the taliban would keep Afghanistan from cozing up to India, who as u know, they hate worse. Its only recently that we've convinced them that the Taliban is more of a threat then India. They keep far more troops on that side of the border....their nukes are all on the Taliban side of the border..which scares us.
watch the clips from the bilderberg show in that thread and then look at whats happening now a days
more govt control in the name of healthcare....in the name of terrorism protection (which is conveniently a relatively new ...commodity shall we say>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
crap that part of the show is not in the link the guy posted in my thread
check out whose in it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants#United_States
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 05:45:33 AM »
were there any terrorist attacks (suicide bombings etc) before the afghanis were played as pawns in a war between russia and the US

or were they systematically radicalized by US back then? ...

makes sense....a soldier thats not only not afraid to die but WANTS to die and meet virgins and allah is formidable.

What would really be formidable is if, upon finding the gates of heaven, these terrorists find 70 virgins waiting for them up there.

Imagine their faces as Saint Peter meets and greets them with a "psssssyche!"...

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 06:11:42 AM »
were there any terrorist attacks (suicide bombings etc) before the afghanis were played as pawns in a war between russia and the US

or were they systematically radicalized by US back then? ...

makes sense....a soldier thats not only not afraid to die but WANTS to die and meet virgins and allah is formidable.

My understanding is that the Islamic radical element was absent in pre-invasion Afghanistan.

The origins of it all go back to the OSS (precursor to the CIA) and the sending of various agents to the area on information collection activities. Eventually the OSS became the CIA and the later started to take a more aggressive stance, going from mere information-gathering activities to actually putting together and training groups of radicalized individuals under the only thing that united them: Islam. Yes, we trained Islamic radicals. And they eventually attacked us. Blowback at its bestest. 
 
These groups of now Islamic terrorists actually carried out terrorist attacks in the USSR's stans, a move that sped up an invasion they always wanted to carry out, that of Afghanistan. When the invasion was complete the CIA kept on training these nutcases and actually provided them with weapons, some of which are now being used against US military. Blowback again.

Needless to say the Russians were eventually defeated, but, by then, these radicalized elements considered us, the U.S.A; a target.

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2010, 08:05:40 AM »
My understanding is that the Islamic radical element was absent in pre-invasion Afghanistan.
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that is closer to the history my uncle is always rambling about (and myself never paying attention)
and look at HOW much its spread...its spread to the point that the words militant islam and just islam are viewed as the same
i've posted this vid before...check it out
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 08:31:19 AM »
What is really amazing is witnessing the process of demonization, the one the American media gradly submit to when requested by the State Department (aka propaganda machine), action. I mean Rambo III was all about the Afghanis fighting off the Russians, and I remember (I am a child of the 80s) there was an overall positive perception of the Afghans at the time, even though some them were Taleban.

Turn the page, after our invasion and Bush's mandate to create the illusion that every Afghan is a potential terrorist and a threat to the US security, and we've come full circle.

Even I get woozy thinking about how we've gone from "they're our friends and we share their grievances" to "they're the worst humans in the history of humanity, and they hate our freedom".

Needless to say a what the fuck? is in order.

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2010, 08:38:12 AM »
What is really amazing is witnessing the process of demonization, the one the American media gradly

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in part i DO think its orginizations such as the bilderbergs
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=313009.0  i mean nothing else fits and makes sense

another point of view...what do you think of what this guy says?

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2010, 08:53:17 AM »
"taliban were never the enemy, it ws Al-queda"  < just rewatched it
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2010, 08:55:16 AM »
in part i DO think its orginizations such as the bilderbergs
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=313009.0  i mean nothing else fits and makes sense

another point of view...what do you think of what this guy says?



What can you say about Imran Khan's observations?

I agree with every single thing he says.

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2010, 08:59:38 AM »
"taliban were never the enemy, it ws Al-queda"  < just rewatched it

Well, the Taleban sure are the enemy now!

At least they consider us the enemy.

This is seriously fucked up. I've never even been close to Afghanistan. The only images I have of Afghanistan are those in the images section of google.com. And yet 95% of Afghanis want my ass fried to the grills.

Something is terribly wrong here.

What is our military and paramilitary doing over there? 

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2010, 09:03:32 AM »
Well, the Taleban sure are the enemy now!
At least they consider us the enemy.
This is seriously fucked up. I've never even been close to Afghanistan. The only images I have of Afghanistan are those in the images section of google.com. And yet 95% of Afghanis want my ass fried to the grills.Something is terribly wrong here.
 

you'd feel the same way about any country that drone bombed your country for years

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What is our military and paramilitary doing over there?
to quote imran quoting alice in wonderland " when you dont know where you r going, every road takes you there"
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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2010, 09:12:19 AM »
you'd feel the same way about any country that drone bombed your country for years
 to quote imran quoting alice in wonderland " when you dont know where you r going, every road takes you there"

That's another thing... how can we adhere to the "we're over there protecting our people" logic if #1 the job of the American military is "to protect the integrity of the U.S. territory", which they allege they're doing fighting 7,000 miles away, and # 2 if you are attacking some one, some thing or some country... you're technically NOT defending yourself, you are attacking another entity.

I do not understand why more of my fellow Americans don't understand this.

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Re: Serious Question about the taliban...since i dunno my history too well
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2010, 01:32:16 PM »
That's another thing... how can we adhere to the "we're over there protecting our people" logic if #1 the job of the American military is "to protect the integrity of the U.S. territory", which they allege they're doing fighting 7,000 miles away, and # 2 if you are attacking some one, some thing or some country... you're technically NOT defending yourself, you are attacking another entity.

I do not understand why more of my fellow Americans don't understand this.

its the US against them mentality ...and it sells just as well here as it does in the 3rd world
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