CANT SLEEPP HELP GETBIGGERS!!!!!

[emn1964]

first time drinking torres?  or are you just not that smart?

[OneMoreRep]

The easiest way to get to sleep in your case would probably be to go to your local pharmacy and purchase over-the-counter Benadryl.  Take 50mg worth of Benadryl and you'll probably fall asleep within the hour.

Also, potentially try some Excedrin PM.  Don't follow the SMART ideas that others have in fooling around with Benzodiazepines.  Those drugs can seriously depress your respiratory drive and lead to serious problems if not administered under controlled settings.

Next time, stay away from the heavy caffeine intake..
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[suckmymuscle]

Don't follow the SMART ideas that others have in fooling around with Benzodiazepines.  Those drugs can seriously depress your respiratory drive and lead to serious problems if not

  Flunitrazepam is actually the safest of benzodiazepines because, since such low doses are required to induce sedation/hypnosis, the potential for physical dependence is much lower. Even though more deaths to overdose have happened with flunitrazepam than with diazepam, there are far more people addicted to the latter than to the former. So yes, I gave him smart advice. Did I advice him to take it with alcohol or barbiturates? Nope.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[OneMoreRep]

 Flunitrazepam is actually the safest of benzodiazepines because, since such low doses are required to induce sedation/hypnosis, the potential for physical dependence is much lower. Even though more deaths to overdose have happened with flunitrazepam than with diazepam, there are far more people addicted to the latter than to the former. So yes, I gave him smart advice. Did I advice him to take it with alcohol or barbiturates? Nope.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You must understand that the use of any controlled substance the likes of a Benzodiazepine is never safe unless when done under careful supervision.  Even then, when done under supervision, patients are brought into ER's all the time due to idiosyncratic responses that can develop at any time with individuals who, for the most part, might present as healthy.  You push a drug like Flunitrazepam for recreational use without the presence of a reversal agent like that of Romazicon along with someone who can administer it appropriately and you are potentially tucking in this young fellow into his deathbed.

You don't know what this individual's allergies are, you don't know what the state of his liver is and you also don't know what level of clearance his kidneys are providing.  

Not knowing any of the above can lead to a potentially deadly overdose or even systemic toxicity levels.  Also, while some patients might have valium prescribed routinely for issues with anxiety, patients that do so usually have a prescriber run a full CBC and metabolic panel to assess whether the person can properly metabolize and expel of these drugs in a normal manner.

So, you are NOT providing this person with smart advice.  Without knowing anything else about this individual besides his online moniker, you are only talking nonsense.

Again, this is no disrespect to you suckmymuscle, but please re-evaluate your stance about giving such advice when not fully knowing this individual's capacity to properly metabolize and excrete the drug, moreover not even knowing whether or not he might have an allergy to the said drug.

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[suckmymuscle]

You must understand that the use of any controlled substance the likes of a Benzodiazepine is never safe unless when done under careful supervision.  Even then, when done under supervision, patients are brought into ER's all the time due to idiosyncratic responses that can develop at any time with individuals who, for the most part, might present as healthy.  You push a drug like Flunitrazepam for recreational use without the presence of a reversal agent like that of Romazicon along with someone who can administer it appropriately and you are potentially tucking in this young fellow into his deathbed.

You don't know what this individual's allergies are, you don't know what the state of his liver is and you also don't know what level of clearance his kidneys are providing.  

Not knowing any of the above can lead to a potentially deadly overdose or even systemic toxicity levels.  Also, while some patients might have valium prescribed routinely for issues with anxiety, patients that do so usually have a prescriber run a full CBC and metabolic panel to assess whether the person can properly metabolize and expel of these drugs in a normal manner.

So, you are NOT providing this person with smart advice.  Without knowing anything else about this individual besides his online moniker, you are only talking nonsense.

Again, this is no disrespect to you suckmymuscle, but please re-evaluate your stance about giving such advice when not fully knowing this individual's capacity to properly metabolize and excrete the drug, moreover not even knowing whether or not he might have an allergy to the said drug.

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  What have you been smoking, dude? Millions of people have taken flunitrazepam and only a few hundred have ever died from taking it. And practically all the deaths happened because the subjects associated the drug with alcohol and/or barbiturates. Flunitrazepem is only a Shedule IV drug under U.S federal law, which means that it has a low potential for psychological dependence and a moderate risk for physical dependence. I have taken both diazepam and fluniotrazepam several times and I am alive and singing. An allergic reaction? That is ultra-rare, and you can have an allergic reaction to even food like peanuts and die. Should we all stop eating, too? Lol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[OneMoreRep]

Also, just to add to the magic of my above response, please keep in mind that the same drug you (suckmymuscle) are pushing is the classic date rape drug used throughout the world.  

The drug is sometimes used as a date rape drug (commonly referred to in street slang as a "roofie") because if taken, in a large enough amount, it can cause erratic behavior and memory loss.

Also, to add further insult to injury, didn't you say:

Flunitrazepam is actually the safest of benzodiazepines because

Check out this excerpt from wiKipedia speaking about a recent Swedish study:

In studies in Sweden, flunitrazepam was the second most common drug used in suicides, being found in about 15% of cases. In a retrospective study of deaths, when benzodiazepines were implicated, the benzodiazepines flunitrazepam and nitrazepam were the most common benzodiazepines involved. In four of the cases benzodiazepines alone were the only cause of death. It was concluded that flunitrazepam and nitrazepam might be more toxic than other benzodiazepines.

Commonly used as the DATE RAPE drug and studies concluding that flunitrazepam might be more toxic than any other benzodiazepine might just be 2 of the many reasons this young man should stay away from a controlled substance that can not be attained without a prescription in most places.

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[Captain Equipoise]

  Take Rhopinol(flunitrazepam). You will sleep. I assure you. 7 ton elephants sleep with as little as 50 miligrams of it. You are not a 7 ton elephant, so you will most definitely sleep. Even if you're on crack, it will be hard to stay awake with this shit.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

And just where do you think he would find Rohypnol / a.k.a roofies !?!! lol, you need a script to get them.

[OneMoreRep]

SUCKmyMUSCLE,

With all due respect, you are way in over your head.

Listen to what I am trying to explain to you here. 

Without knowing this individual's:

(A) Ability to properly metabolize this drug in his liver

(B) Ability to properly have renal clearance of this drug

(C) The potential for him to have an allergic, paradoxical or even idiosyncratic reaction to this drug

You HAVE NO PLACE in suggesting a controlled substance like flunitrazepam for recreational use.

Add to the fact that this is the Date Rape drug used worldwide and that actual studies have found this drug to be probably the most toxic of benzodiazepines and you are giving bad advice.

But go ahead and suggest such nonsense, any healthcare provider would suspect that you are just peddling drugs...

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[Captain Equipoise]

SUCKmyMUSCLE,

With all due respect, you are way in over your head.

Listen to what I am trying to explain to you here. 

Without knowing this individual's:

(A) Ability to properly metabolize this drug in his liver

(B) Ability to properly have renal clearance of this drug

(C) The potential for him to have an allergic, paradoxical or even idiosyncratic reaction to this drug

You HAVE NO PLACE in suggesting a controlled substance like flunitrazepam for recreational use.

Add to the fact that this is the Date Rape drug used worldwide and that actual studies have found this drug to be probably the most toxic of benzodiazepines and you are giving bad advice.

But go ahead and suggest such nonsense, any healthcare provider would suspect that you are just peddling drugs...

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Well still, he is right about one thing, if you want sleep.. it f*cking works... either that or he can take like 10 xanax or 20 valium... but what kind of moron drinks 15 red bulls anyway ?

[OneMoreRep]

Oh and one more thing, the DEA is currently in the works to reclassify this drug from a level IV to a level I.

Taken from the DEA's drug policy debriefing..

Swiss pharmaceutical company Hoffman-La Roche first described and developed benzodiazepines in the 1950s. Roche modified the basic benzodiazepine structure and introduced a number of tranquilizers 1960s and 1970s, including Rohypnol in 1975.11 Though it is the most widely prescribed sedative-hypnotic in Western Europe and is legal in many countries, Rohypnol is not approved for manufacture or sale in the United States.12,13 Reports of Rohypnol misuse in Europe surfaced in the 1970s, and in 1995 the United Nations reclassified it from a Schedule IV to a Schedule III drug, which requires more thorough record keeping of its legal distribution than was previously in place. (Schedule IV substances have a lower potential for abuse relative to Schedule III substances.) In the early 1990s, Rohypnol emerged as a drug of abuse and misuse in the United States, and some states have reclassified it as a Schedule I substance at the state level; the DEA is also reviewing the possibility of reclassification.

Here is the source for that: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). ND. DEA Briefs & Background, Drug Policy, Federal Trafficking Penalties. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/agency/penalties.htm

All I am saying is don't push such a deadly drug to a kid that has a habit of downing 15 redbulls at a time, sounds a little foolish to claim your advice as good to such an individual.  If he has little willpower against redbull, you think flunitrazepam would prove to be less of a formidable opponent?


Come on man,
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[OneMoreRep]

SuckMyMuscle,

Also, don't take what I have pointed out as a personal attack against your intelligence or overall knowledge of drugs/medications.  I only chipped in, because I have seen many people come into ERs with toxic levels of this exact drug.  There is a reason why we don't use it in the USA at all anymore.  Being the DATE RAPE drug, being classified as one of the most toxic of benzodiazepines and the fact that most states here already classify it as a Level "I" controlled substance, should tell you that we aren't fans of it.

That being said, don't take my approach as personal, just as a good discussion on an effective, yet potentially devastating drug.

 
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[alejandro_torres]

1. No, not the first time drinking, before I didnt, but now I do it every week end...

2. a lot of explanations right here, and they are too long so im not gonna read them all

3. I will just stick with pot hahaha it worked wonders!!! hahaha

 

HAPPY 2k10 my getbig friends!

[Captain Equipoise]

SuckMyMuscle,

Also, don't take what I have pointed out as a personal attack against your intelligence or overall knowledge of drugs/medications.  I only chipped in, because I have seen many people come into ERs with toxic levels of this exact drug.  There is a reason why we don't use it in the USA at all anymore.  Being the DATE RAPE drug, being classified as one of the most toxic of benzodiazepines and the fact that most states here already classify it as a Level "I" controlled substance, should tell you that we aren't fans of it.

That being said, don't take my approach as personal, just as a good discussion on an effective, yet potentially devastating drug.

 
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Dude, give me a break.. almost any hypnotic could be used as a date rape drug, how hard is it to grind up some ativan or other benzodiazepine and slip it in someone's drink, esp. if they're already buzzed and not as alert as they were sober..

Same b.s with GHB, it got banned because losers started using it to rape girls, before that it was sold @ health food stores for help with relaxation and narcolepsy/insomnia.

[suckmymuscle]

SUCKmyMUSCLE,

With all due respect, you are way in over your head.

Listen to what I am trying to explain to you here. 

Without knowing this individual's:

(A) Ability to properly metabolize this drug in his liver

(B) Ability to properly have renal clearance of this drug

(C) The potential for him to have an allergic, paradoxical or even idiosyncratic reaction to this drug

You HAVE NO PLACE in suggesting a controlled substance like flunitrazepam for recreational use.

Add to the fact that this is the Date Rape drug used worldwide and that actual studies have found this drug to be probably the most toxic of benzodiazepines and you are giving bad advice.

But go ahead and suggest such nonsense, any healthcare provider would suspect that you are just peddling drugs...

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  Way in over my head? Hardly. You're the one suggesting that one shouldn't take flunitrazepam because it is potentially lethal despite the fact that practically everyone that died from it either combined it with barbiturates/heroin/alcohol. You are the one suggesting that one shouldn't take flunitrazepam because of the risk of an allergic reaction, despite the fact that allergic reactions are extremely rare with this drug and that it is far more likely that he'll get an allergic reaction from eating certain foods than from taking flunitrazepam - and even when an allergic reaction occurs, the symptons are mild compared to food poisoning. Oh, and here in my country I can go into a drug store and purchase it with no script. In Europe, a regular script will allow you to purchse it and a psychiatric script is not needed. And I can vouch for it from personal experience since I've taken it several times and never had any bad reaction to it. As long as you don't combine it with other sedatives like barbiturates and alcohol or powerful analgesics like heroin and Nubain, you should be fine. Benzodiazepines are safe. They act on gabaergic receptors almost exclusively and have very little systemic toxicity. They are not like amphetamines that are neurotoxic and might destroy dopamine-producing neurons in the substantia nigra area of the brain.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[OneMoreRep]

Way in over my head? Hardly. You're the one suggesting that one shouldn't take flunitrazepam because it is potentially lethal despite the fact that practically everyone that died from it either combined it with barbiturates/heroin/alcohol.

That is not a fact.  I posted the studies for you to have as proof where it stated that flunitrazepam is the most toxic/lethal of the benzodiazepines.  What is not a fact is that most deaths occur due to its use combined with barbiturates/heroin/alcohol.  I haven't found such literature, if you have, show me some, I'd liek to read it for self-edification.

You are the one suggesting that one shouldn't take flunitrazepam because of the risk of an allergic reaction, despite the fact that allergic reactions are extremely rare with this drug and that it is far more likely that he'll get an allergic reaction from eating certain foods than from taking flunitrazepam - and even when an allergic reaction occurs, the symptons are mild compared to food poisoning.

You are selectively leaving out portions of my argument in order to better argue your point.  What I said was that if you are not aware of this person's:

(A) Ability to properly metabolize this drug in his liver

(B) Ability to properly have renal clearance of this drug

(C) The potential for him to have an allergic, paradoxical or even idiosyncratic reaction to this drug

..Then you should not be pushing this drug for recreational use since you do not have any level of certainty with regards to how devastating it can be to this particular individual who has already shown very little self control with things less lethal like that of redbull.
 

Oh, and here in my country I can go into a drug store and purchase it with no script. In Europe, a regular script will allow you to purchse it and a psychiatric script is not needed.

You know of our very own borders there is a magical place called Mexico where you can pretty much purchase any drug without a prescription, yet that doesn't mean that it is right to do so.  There is a reason why this particular drug has been banned from use in the entire USA, close to all states have reclassified the drug from a level IV to a level I controlled substance and the DEA is already in the process of reclassifying the drug.  Not to mention, that it's the official date rape drug...

And I can vouch for it from personal experience since I've taken it several times and never had any bad reaction to it. As long as you don't combine it with other sedatives like barbiturates and alcohol or powerful analgesics like heroin and Nubain, you should be fine.

With regards to this comment, what works one way within your system, will not necessarily work the same way in someone else's body.  Again, unless this man's liver has the same metabolizing properties as yours, as well as his renal clearance being the same, there is no telling what effect this drug will have on his body.

Benzodiazepines are safe.

For the most part, they are...

Again, I find that your stance is a little reckless.  That being said, we'll have to agree to disagree about this issue. 

Either way, good discussion,
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[HTexan]

work on flushing the caffeine from your system.
it looks like you should try Activated charcoal, and Laxative.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002579.htm