American Soldier

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[quadzilla456]

Cool.

[OzmO]

Turning this into a racism thing?

Stupid. 

[24KT]

Turning this into a racism thing?

Stupid. 

How else do you explain a nation's willingness to turn a blind eye to reason and rationality in favour of refering to an entire people as savages? If you don't or won't see the inherent racism that is wielded as a tool, ...it is because you don't want to see it. The US military has always seen racism as a necessary tool to accomplish their goals both on the battlefield and on the home front.

[OzmO]

How else do you explain a nation's willingness to turn a blind eye to reason and rationality in favour of refering to an entire people as savages?  The US military has always seen racism as a necessary tool to accomplish their goals both on the battlefield and on the home front.

Who's referring an entire people/nation as savages?  Show me where the american government has stated that any of the middle eastern nations are a natiion of savages?

If you don't or won't see the inherent racism that is wielded as a tool, ...it is because you don't want to see it.

Still show it to me?  What I see is a group of radicals who advocate the suicide  bombing of thousands of americans and then the suicide bombing of their own people in their own country.

The US military has always seen racism as a necessary tool to accomplish their goals both on the battlefield and on the home front.

This is why liberals get a bad name.  It's stuff like this, completely out of touch, whacked out views that do it. 

 

[24KT]

Who's referring an entire people/nation as savages?  Show me where the american government has stated that any of the middle eastern nations are a natiion of savages?

Still show it to me?  What I see is a group of radicals who advocate the suicide  bombing of thousands of americans and then the suicide bombing of their own people in their own country.
 

This is why liberals get a bad name.  It's stuff like this, completely out of touch, whacked out views that do it. 

Go watch a military indoctrination film, then come back and talk to me.

The military loves to give colourful names to their enemy... whether it be gook, haji, cameljockey etc. All designed to dehumanize the people's of those countries to get soldiers to see them NOT as human, but subhuman.

Once you can take away your enemy's humanity, ...you can do just about anything to them without a twinge of conscience.

[OzmO]

Go watch a military indoctrination film, then come back and talk to me.

How about you provide a "military indoctrination film" and we'll watch it together.  

The military loves to give colourful names to their enemy... whether it be gook, haji, cameljockey etc. All designed to dehumanize the people's of those countries to get soldiers to see them NOT as human, but subhuman.

Once you can take away your enemy's humanity, ...you can do just about anything to them without a twinge of conscience.

The military doesn't give colorful names, the soldiers do.  And if that's what they have to do to get the job then its fine with me.  Or we could be a PC army and roll over like the french do.  

The idea that the war on terror is fueled by racism is ludicrous and stupid.  

PS:  any group who would crash planes into buildings or do any of the other chicken shit suicide killings of innocent people, mothers, fathers, children, etc..AND advocate the raping of a 12 year old girl because she walked home alone with a 10 year old boy ARE SUB HUMAN. 

[24KT]

How about you provide a "military indoctrination film" and we'll watch it together.  

The military doesn't give colorful names, the soldiers do.  And if that's what they have to do to get the job then its fine with me.  Or we could be a PC army and roll over like the french do.  

The idea that the war on terror is fueled by racism is ludicrous and stupid.  

PS:  any group who would crash planes into buildings or do any of the other chicken shit suicide killings of innocent people, mothers, fathers, children, etc..AND advocate the raping of a 12 year old girl because she walked home alone with a 10 year old boy ARE SUB HUMAN.  

While you're categorizing who is human and who isn't, ...ask yourself who was raping children in front of their parents in Abu Ghraib.

People are capable of extreme savagery. we can find elements in all societies of those capable of extremes.
Acts of barbarism are not dependent upon race or religion, ...despite what the hate mongerers wouold have the world believe.

[OzmO]

While you're categorizing who is human and who isn't, ...ask yourself who was raping children in front of their parents.

The difference is that in once instance it's AGAINST the LAW.  In the other it's PART of the CULTURE and a-ok!  Just like Beating your wife in public in Iran.

People are capable of extreme savagery. we can find elements in all societies of those capable of extremes.
Acts of barbarism are not dependent upon race or religion, ...despite what the hate mongerers wouold have the world believe.

I don't think its the religion.  It's the culture.  Period.

I don't even know why you are arguing this Jag.   There's no point to your argument.  You infer it happens in western societies.  It happens, but it's against the law.  You don't have the mayor of some town advocating the raping of some girl.  OUR culture doesn't allow that.  There's does, at least in the rural areas. 

[24KT]

The difference is that in once instance it's AGAINST the LAW.  In the other it's PART of the CULTURE and a-ok!  Just like Beating your wife in public in Iran.

I don't think its the religion.  It's the culture.  Period.

I don't even know why you are arguing this Jag.   There's no point to your argument.  You infer it happens in western societies.  It happens, but it's against the law.  You don't have the mayor of some town advocating the raping of some girl.  OUR culture doesn't allow that.  There's does, at least in the rural areas. 

I can remember quite recently a court case where a prostitute took a man to court for raping her. Everyone was "How coud she have been raped... she was a prostitute." The same with western women who have tried to charge their own husbands with rape. You don't think rape is against the law in their country as well?

Just because something is against the law in our countries, doesn't mean certain things are not condoned by our culture. If we are the victims of certain crimes, our very culture tell us we deserved it by our own actions. A woman walks down the street at 4 am in the morning and is raped. cultural attitudes say she had it coming for putting herself in that situation. A guy leaves his keys in the ignition of his unlocked car, cultural attitudes say he had it coming for doing something so careless. Despite what  the law may say, ...our culture still has a tendency to blame the victim.

[OzmO]

I can remember quite recently a court case where a prostitute took a man to court for raping her. Everyone was "How coud she have been raped... she was a prostitute." The same with western women who have tried to charge their own husbands with rape. You don't think rape is against the law in their country as well?

Don't confuse errors in a justice system with the fact of rape being against the law where as it's okay in some areas of the middle east.  Just like beating your wife. 

Just because something is against the law in our countries, doesn't mean certain things are not condoned by our culture. If we are the victims of certain crimes, our very culture tell us we deserved it by our own actions. A woman walks down the street at 4 am in the morning and is raped. cultural attitudes say she had it coming for putting herself in that situation. A guy leaves his keys in the ignition of his unlocked car, cultural attitudes say he had it coming for doing something so careless. Despite what  the law may say, ...our culture still has a tendency to blame the victim.

That's the defense making a case and the ignorant falling for some of it.  Just like OJ case.  In the end it still doesn't matter because thousands are in prison serving time for rape because it IS a law.

Essentially, Jag, your comparisons are falling flat, because in the end we have laws against stuff like that.  Their culture/Shia Law doesn't.

[24KT]

Don't confuse errors in a justice system with the fact of rape being against the law where as it's okay in some areas of the middle east.  Just like beating your wife.  

That's the defense making a case and the ignorant falling for some of it.  Just like OJ case.  In the end it still doesn't matter because thousands are in prison serving time for rape because it IS a law.

Essentially, Jag, your comparisons are falling flat, because in the end we have laws against stuff like that.  Their culture/Shia Law doesn't.

we have laws against beating your wife too, ...but just reading these very boards you'll see domestic violence is acceptable to many in our culture.

I believe there are laws against rape in Sharia law as well. It just has a higher burden of proof.

[Fury]

Actually, in a number of Muslim countries, women can't charge their husbands with rape. It's impossible. There was a lot of controversy about Afghanistan adopting a law like that this year.

Proving rape in Sharia Law is damn near impossible as well. It was definitely written in a way to make sure the man is pretty much never found guilty. Something like six men needing to be present at the rape among other things. Not surprising considering that women are treated as trash in most Muslim cultures.

[24KT]

Actually, in a number of Muslim countries, women can't charge their husbands with rape. It's impossible. There was a lot of controversy about Afghanistan adopting a law like that this year.

Proving rape in Sharia Law is damn near impossible as well. It was definitely written in a way to make sure the man is pretty much never found guilty. Something like six men needing to be present at the rape among other things. Not surprising considering that women are treated as trash in most Muslim cultures.

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting. While the lack of 7 male witnesses is enough to acquit a rapist, the accusation alone is enough to convict the woman of adultery or fornication.

[OzmO]

we have laws against beating your wife too, ...but just reading these very boards you'll see domestic violence is acceptable to many in our culture.

I believe there are laws against rape in Sharia law as well. It just has a higher burden of proof.

These rapes and harsh punishments are not sanctioned by governing officials.  Again, another distinct difference.  

Like i said, JAG, go to rural IRAN and spout out some of the stuff you do here and see what happens to you.  You'll be glad you are a westerner.  

This is the farthest thing from racism.

[24KT]

These rapes and harsh punishments are not sanctioned by governing officials.  Again, another distinct difference.  

Like i said, JAG, go to rural IRAN and spout out some of the stuff you do here and see what happens to you.  You'll be glad you are a westerner.  

This is the farthest thing from racism.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the readiness to believe bullshit about a country, region, people etc., and subsequent willingness to go off and kill them. It's much easier to accomplish when racism is thrown into the mix. it is a useful tool which militaries have used since the dawn of time. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[OzmO]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the readiness to believe bullshit about a country, region, people etc., and subsequent willingness to go off and kill them. It's much easier to accomplish when racism is thrown into the mix. it is a useful tool which militaries have used since the dawn of time. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Again, I ask you to show one instance where the American government has turn this into a race issue?

The willingness to go to war came from 3000 innocent people who left for work early one tuesday morning so they could pay their bills and raise their families, and who were brutally murdered by radical suicide bombers.  That's where it all came from.  NOT because middle eastern people aren't white.  

I mean seriously Jag.....com on.

[24KT]

Again, I ask you to show one instance where the American government has turn this into a race issue?

The willingness to go to war came from 3000 innocent people who left for work early one tuesday morning so they could pay their bills and raise their families, and who were brutally murdered by radical suicide bombers.  That's where it all came from.  NOT because middle eastern people aren't white.  

I mean seriously Jag.....com on.

...or exceptionally talented demolitions experts with access to military grade explosives.

[OzmO]

...or exceptionally talented demolitions experts with access to military grade explosives.

Who were still suicide bombers who felt they were doing Allah's work, none the less.

[24KT]

Who were still suicide bombers who felt they were doing Allah's work, none the less.

Who said the people who detonated the bombs in the buildings committed suicide in the process?

And what makes you think they thought they were doing Allah's work? I think many felt they were doing Buzzy's work.

[OzmO]

Who said the people who detonated the bombs in the buildings committed suicide in the process?

And what makes you think they thought they were doing Allah's work? I think many felt they were doing Buzzy's work.

Don't even start to try to turn thins onto a 9/11 truther thread   lol

[24KT]

Don't even start to try to turn thins onto a 9/11 truther thread   lol

How silly of me. You're right, ...the truth would only get in the way of the agenda. 

[OzmO]

How silly of me. You're right, ...the truth would only get in the way of the agenda. 

Well considering the argument that we went to war because of racism is completely dumb, i guess the next step is to try and validate it by insinuating 9/11 was an inside job. 

[quadzilla456]

Well considering the argument that we went to war because of racism is completely dumb, i guess the next step is to try and validate it by insinuating 9/11 was an inside job. 

Yeah millions of people are starting to believe it. Let me ask you this. Who were the suicide bombers? Please provide their names. I'd like a list please.

Btw, I am not done with you yet regarding the 9/11 plane / no plane thread. Still doing some research here. I also have a big colleciton of 911 videos that I downloaded during the 4 weeks right after 9/11. I want to look at them first. However I am kinda busy at the moment but will try to get to it within the next 2 weeks or so.

[Soul Crusher]

How else do you explain a nation's willingness to turn a blind eye to reason and rationality in favour of refering to an entire people as savages? If you don't or won't see the inherent racism that is wielded as a tool, ...it is because you don't want to see it. The US military has always seen racism as a necessary tool to accomplish their goals both on the battlefield and on the home front.

What utter garbage.  You can find anyone to say anything. 

Jag - you are really a despicable person who lacks any historical context.  We go to more lengths than almost all others in trying to avoid civilian casualties   

When people go to war, the soldiers are trained to de-humanize their enemy in order to do their job.  Thats a fact a life.

Did you ever read about how the Japanese treated the Chinese in WW2?