American Soldier

[OzmO]

Yeah millions of people are starting to believe it. Let me ask you this. Who were the suicide bombers? Please provide their names. I'd like a list please.

Btw, I am not done with you yet regarding the 9/11 plane / no plane thread. Still doing some research here. I also have a big colleciton of 911 videos that I downloaded during the 4 weeks right after 9/11. I want to look at them first. However I am kinda busy at the moment but will try to get to it within the next 2 weeks or so.

No prob quad,

Lay 'em on me when you get the time.

[Soul Crusher]

I have asked all the 911 CT'ers many times for a coherent CT on this that stands up to an ounce of scrutiny and nothing has been forthcoming.  NOTHING! 

I have no doubt people might want to do it, but from the scattered nonsense I have seen so far 9/11 was done by the islamic nazi's from SA closely to what we know so far. 

So anyone who proclaims a 9/11 CT

1.  Who is in on the CT?
2.  When was the CT hatched?
3.  What was the motive?
4.  Who helped the coverup? 
5.  Why has no one involved talked yet? 

[blacken700]

The willingness to go to war came from 3000 innocent people who left for work early one tuesday morning so they could pay their bills and raise their families, and who were brutally murdered by radical suicide bombers.  That's where it all came from.  NOT because middle eastern people aren't white.   



somehow we allways forget Iraq had nothing to do with 911

[Soul Crusher]

The willingness to go to war came from 3000 innocent people who left for work early one tuesday morning so they could pay their bills and raise their families, and who were brutally murdered by radical suicide bombers.  That's where it all came from.  NOT because middle eastern people aren't white.   



somehow we allways forget Iraq had nothing to do with 911

Were we racists when Clinton bombed Serbia?  What did they do to us either Blacken?

[blacken700]

people always like to tie the two together ,911 and iraq

[Soul Crusher]

people always like to tie the two together ,911 and iraq

And now Yemen, Pakistan, etc. 

This crap is never going to end Blacken.  Our soldiers are on revolving door duty it seems.   

[blacken700]

i agree 100%

[24KT]

Well considering the argument that we went to war because of racism is completely dumb, i guess the next step is to try and validate it by insinuating 9/11 was an inside job. 

I never said you went to war because of racism. My position is racism and xenophobia are used as tools for bringing people onside in a push for war. Stop playing dumb because you are not.

[24KT]

What utter garbage.  You can find anyone to say anything. 

Jag - you are really a despicable person who lacks any historical context.  We go to more lengths than almost all others in trying to avoid civilian casualties   

When people go to war, the soldiers are trained to de-humanize their enemy in order to do their job.  Thats a fact a life.

Did you ever read about how the Japanese treated the Chinese in WW2?

And you really are a stupid, pavlovian bellicose person who argues for the sake of being argumentative.

Racism is a tool used to de-humanize others. And it is used by governments on both their military, as well as their civilians. How is what you posted any different from what I said?

[George Whorewell]

Oz absolutely destroying Jag in this thread.

The problem is religious and cultural-- both, imo.

A few years ago, a husband and wife in Egypt got into an argument. The wife began yelling back at her husband in English. The husband did not speak English. He responded by dousing her with kerosene and setting her on fire.

At his murder trial, he insisted that her refusal to stop speaking English insulted his manhood. The judge agreed and the husband was acquitted of murder.

These countries have Islam as the national religion. There is no separation between church and state. Islamic law is applied down the line. That makes the problem a religious one. Culturally, I am skeptical-- My rationale? You dont see non- muslim "cultures" have these kinds of incidents ( terrorism, televised beheadings, female circumscision, etc.)-- In this situation, the religion is not severable from the culture itself.

[24KT]

Really, there are televised beheadings? Didn't know that.

There are many countries and cultures that make the legislated taking of a human life into a spectator sport... including some western ones. These same western cultures also practice genital mutilation on as well.

[George Whorewell]

OK-

Name one western country that has televised executions and genital mutilations.


Thanks.

[24KT]

OK-

Name one western country that has televised executions and genital mutilations.


Thanks.

I didn't say 'televised executions'. I said they make the legislated taking of a human life into a spectator sport.

I'm refering of course to the USA, where people get to attend as they stick a needle into someone's arm.
I'm also refering to the genital nutilation of little baby boys, ...or do you only consider circumcism to be genital mutilation when it is done to girls?

[24KT]

but Jag, you must admit, the female version of circumcision is way way worse.

Yes, ...but they are both forms of genital mutilation.

[George Whorewell]

LMAOOOOO

Male circumscision is healthy, normal, prevents disease and encourages cleanlieness. Many reputable medical authorities will even go so far as to say malke circumscision extends a males life. Males can still experience sexual pleasure after being circumsized.

Comparing that to female circumscion is so stupid, I'm not going to waste my time comparing the two. Try and see if you can figure out the difference dumb ass.

Next--

When someone in America is executed, a handfull of the victims family and friends are allowed to attend and certain state administrators and corrections officers are required to be there as well. The condemned is given a last meal, the chance to give last words, a medical examination prior to the execution and is put down by a lethal injection ( 99% of the time) and slips into death without incident. There is a trial by jury, an appeals process which in some cases lasts several years, there are pleas for clemency, etc.

Please explain to me how that is comparable to having someone beheaded on national television without a trial-- for violating Islamic law? Or, in Saudi Arabia, the victim is beheaded in the town square before a capacity crowd.   

[24KT]

LMAOOOOO

Male circumscision is healthy, normal, prevents disease and encourages cleanlieness. Many reputable medical authorities will even go so far as to say malke circumscision extends a males life. Males can still experience sexual pleasure after being circumsized.

Comparing that to female circumscion is so stupid, I'm not going to waste my time comparing the two. Try and see if you can figure out the difference dumb ass.

Next--

When someone in America is executed, a handfull of the victims family and friends are allowed to attend and certain state administrators and corrections officers are required to be there as well. The condemned is given a last meal, the chance to give last words, a medical examination prior to the execution and is put down by a lethal injection ( 99% of the time) and slips into death without incident. There is a trial by jury, an appeals process which in some cases lasts several years, there are pleas for clemency, etc.

Please explain to me how that is comparable to having someone beheaded on national television without a trial-- for violating Islamic law? Or, in Saudi Arabia, the victim is beheaded in the town square before a capacity crowd.   

That's like arguing a huge difference between being 8 months pregnant, and being 7 months pregnant.

When it comes down to it, ...the person is still pregnant.

Limiting the number of people present for an execution, or rationalizing a no longer relevant medical imperative doesn't change the fact that they are what they are, ...public executions, and genital mutilations. But go ahead and consider yourself superior if you like. Your ego obviously needs it. Just don't be too surprised if while you're puffing up your chest, and strutting your hubris... that you one day wake up and find your society no different than the one you disparage.... with nothing but the same shit coming out of a different asshole.

[24KT]

but one is no big deal to most of the men who've had it done.  The other could not possible be cool with any woman that's had it, barring extreme brainwashing.  It's a stupid silly Jewish custom I have absolutely no idea why it was allowed to catch on here but I'm happy I had it done.  I wouldn't want it the other way now.  Stupid Jews

Believe it or not, ...there are women who are glad they had it done {shudder}

btw - Are you saying you've been extremely brainwashed? 

[Fury]

Female genital mutilation is still prevalent in a number of Muslim societies where it's usually carried out in public by an old pedophile using rusty tools that aren't sterile.

[24KT]

I actually expected that response when I was typing that.  yea I guess I have, but most of it was done by me since I didn't know my dick was mutilated until I was well into my teens.  The first time I saw a porn scene with an uncircumcised cock, I though, WTF, like the dude was deformed or something.  And no, I wasn't checking it out, it was hard not to notice.  The women who like it, probably would change their tune real fast if they knew what they were missing and if they didn't have a life of brainwashing in a society of the brainwashed.  I guess they'll never know now.  End point, women lose a lot more than men with this procedure.

That's because they take a lot more from women than they do men.

Can we please change the subject... the idea of female genital mutilation just creeps me the heck out!

I think I'm gonna go check to make sure mine is still there. I might have to wiggle it around a bit tho,
...ya know... to make sure it's still there. Simply a precautionary measure of course.  

[George Whorewell]

LOL whatever you say there genius 

By your warped view of the world, consensual sex and rape are the same exact thing because the physical act is the same.

Get well soon!

[Soul Crusher]

That's because they take a lot more from women than they do men.

Can we please change the subject... the idea of female genital mutilation just creeps me the heck out!

I think I'm gonna go check to make sure mine is still there. I might have to wiggle it around a bit tho,
...ya know... to make sure it's still there. Simply a precautionary measure of course.  

Yet instead of attacking these muslim savages and butchers you continue on your moral equivalency path and try to equivocate everything these beats do no matter how horrendous. 

Why not show the same outrage against these crimes against women as you do every time an American soldier does his job.   

[suckmymuscle]

LMAOOOOO

Male circumscision is healthy, normal, prevents disease and encourages cleanlieness. Many reputable medical authorities will even go so far as to say malke circumscision extends a males life. Males can still experience sexual pleasure after being circumsized.

Comparing that to female circumscion is so stupid, I'm not going to waste my time comparing the two. Try and see if you can figure out the difference dumb ass.

  George, I love your posts on MMA and Fedor, but you are so wrong here. Circumcision is completely unnecessary. All the diseases that circumcision supposedly prevents are easily preventable by other means and most of the circumcison studies are very dubious in their methodologies and conclusions. For instance, circumcision prevents HIV infection by something like 50% because it removes the inner preputial linning - which is very important for sexual pleasure - which is a gateway for the virus to get inside the body. However, wearing a condom decreases the risk of infection by 99%, so why bother with cutting of part of your genitals to achieve a lower degree of protection than simply covering your penis with a condom? Consider also meatus ulceration, something that circumcision also prevents - by drying out the meatus: the rate of meatus ulceration in uncircumcised men is less than 1%, and it is easily treated with antibiotics. So why should you cut part of your penis to decrease the risk of contracting something for which the risk is lower than 1% anyway and, if you do contract it, you can easily treat it with a few pills? Then there is the issue of sexual pleasure. Lots of men who got circumcised as adults do report a decrease in sexual pleasure. Not only does the glans dry our with the preputial protection, but the inner preputial linning, which is highly enervied, is removed. As for male versus female circumcision, there is a diffrence between male circumcision and the severe female circumcision practiced by African tribes, which is called infibulation. You are right that this particular version of female circumcision is more severe than male circumcision and that it's foolish to compare the two. However, there is a less severe kind of female circumcision, where only the labia and clitoral prepuce are removed, which is analogous to male circumcison, and this kind of circumcision is also forbidden by American law which makes it unconstitutional because it hurts the principal of equality before the law - they either forbid both this version of female circumcision and male circumcision or neither. As for circumcision extending men's life, this argument makes no sense. Why would the prepuce have evolved if it decreased men's life expectancy? Natural selection wouldn't have made such a mistake. Japanese males are mostly uncircumcised and they have a higher life expecxtany than American males, which are mostly circumcised, and this makes your argument redundant. Two equally wealthy nations with equivalent medicine and yet the Japanese live more despite being mostly uncircumcised unlike Americans. Riddle me that?

Next--

When someone in America is executed, a handfull of the victims family and friends are allowed to attend and certain state administrators and corrections officers are required to be there as well. The condemned is given a last meal, the chance to give last words, a medical examination prior to the execution and is put down by a lethal injection ( 99% of the time) and slips into death without incident. There is a trial by jury, an appeals process which in some cases lasts several years, there are pleas for clemency, etc.

Please explain to me how that is comparable to having someone beheaded on national television without a trial-- for violating Islamic law? Or, in Saudi Arabia, the victim is beheaded in the town square before a capacity crowd.  

  I am in favor of the death penalty, but simply as a way to get rid of incorregibly violent criminals and not as a revenge. I believe that some men lack conscious and remorse and will forever represent a physical danger to other people. There is no reason why we should keep them in jails since they are incorregible and since as long as they breathe there is the possibility that they can escape and innocent lives will be taken. It's not their fault they are incapable of any empathy, but it's not the innocents' fault either. I am in favor of leaving them with life terms without the possibility of parole. If we are to execute them, it should be done in the most humane way possible since revenge is not the goal but to simply get rid of them: it makes no sense trying to get revenge over someone who is incapable of empathizing with others' pain. This is the reason why I find American executions appalling. Getting revenge and watching the criminal being killed is just barbaric. The goal is the get rid of someone who represents a physical danger to others and forever will as long as he breathes and not getting revenge over someone who is incapable of grasping how painful his acts are to others. Trying to get revenge over a psychopath is like trying to get revenge over a child.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[George Whorewell]

You seem to be well versed in circumscion, for whatever reason-- But I think we can just agree to disagree. A member of my family who was born overseas and was not circumsized, had to become circumsized at age 40 because of an unknown infection that had developed over the course of many years. The doctors said it was circumscion, castration or death. He chose the former obviously.
Circumscion does have medical benefits ( we can disagree as to the degree of these benefits) and has been known to reduce the risk of contracting STD's and other infections in the reigon regarding hygine.
Beyond that, 99 times out of 100 a circumszied child is a new born, or is a little older ( jews do it differently i think) and there is no damage done to the penis whatsoever. The male doesn't  really lose his ability to feel sexual simulation when he gets older by any tangiable scale. (cmon dude, if this were the case lawsuits gallore, all hell would break lose and no father would allow his son to be circumsized--- as far as preventing std's, I hate condoms with a passion and I dont wear them-- to this day ( knock on wood) I haven't had any problems)

As far as japs having a longer life expectancy, I think you can figure that one out for yourself. Americans are fat, lazy,dont take care of themselves, smoke, drink and do drugs at a much higher rate than the japanses Im sure,  and eat a much unhealthier diet than the japanese.

Regarding your capital punishment argument you lost me completely. You say capital punishment should be allowed under some circumstances, but that 3 or 4 members of the victims family shouldnt be allowed to watch? If thats your biggest objection, I don't think its a very strong one. Would you not object if the criminal were executed in the dark with no one looking?


In the middle east executions are like carnival events where people tune in for their daily does of sadistic blood lust with their family members the way Americans tune in with mom and dad for NBC's Tgif lineup.  In Europe it's almost impossible to get executed, so I cant really compare. Who else does it as humanely as we do? China? Yeah right. Russia? Definetly not. 



Im not saying our system is perfect, but it's a far cry from barbaric-- especially in comparison to the rest of the world that has capital punishment  in their legal codes.

[headhuntersix]

An American soldier thread that ends with who has a cleaner cock....I see what happens when I leave for a week.

[Soul Crusher]

An American soldier thread that ends with who has a cleaner cock....I see what happens when I leave for a week.

At least your safe bro.  Whats the word with the CIA bombing over there?