you all are really ok with this shit?

[Soul Crusher]

Ok - I am souring this now.  BTW - adding me into your screen name on the bottom is stupid.  You know I was right about that.  You dont have an expectation of unlimited privacy in the airport.  

If you disagree, sue the govt, the govt agencies, airlines, etc and see how far you get.    

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Group slams Chertoff on scanner promotion
January 2, 2010

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Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

An airport passengers’ rights group on Thursday criticized Chertoff’s use of his former government credentials to advocate for a product that benefits his clients.

“Mr. Chertoff should not be allowed to abuse the trust the public has placed in him as a former public servant to privately gain from the sale of full-body scanners under the pretense that the scanners would have detected this particular type of explosive,’’ said Kate Hanni, founder of FlyersRights.org, which opposes the use of the scanners.

Chertoff’s advocacy for the technology dates to his time in the Bush administration. In 2005, Homeland Security ordered the government’s first batch of the scanners - five from California-based Rapiscan Systems. Rapiscan is one of only two companies that make full-body scanners in accordance with current contract specifications required by the federal government.

Currently 40 body scanners are in use among 19 US airports. The number is expected to skyrocket, at least in part because of the Christmas Day incident. The Transportation Security Administration has said it will order 300 more machines.

In the summer, TSA purchased 150 more machines from Rapiscan with $25 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds. Rapiscan was the only company that qualified for the contract because it had developed technology that performs the screening using a less-graphic body imaging system, which is also less controversial. (Since then, another company, L-3 Communications, has qualified for future contracts, but no new contracts have been awarded.)

-- Washington Post

[shootfighter1]

I certainly hope they do not increase security for non international flights.  That would be a waste of time, money and huge inconvenience to people.

I don't like body scanners either, it is invasive but for the greater good, I am less resistant to them on international flights.

The failure is clearly with our security agencies who need to prevent potential terrorists from boarding any flights.  If someone is a credible threat, the person cannot fly internationally and cannot get a Visa.  Sorry if that is profiling or discriminatory, too bad.  We also need better intra-agency communication.

[Hugo Chavez]

There's nothing strange about trying to identify a direction for things.  Certainly it's not hard to see the past portion of an issue and determine a direction for it.  Why more people don't do this, I don't know.  The NRA has been spot on using this method to inform the people.  Now if a current change is happening, can one not easily weigh it with the established direction from the past until now and establish if the current change is contrary to the direction of events that they would politically prefer?  Yup, and if that's above your head, that's your malefunction, not mine.

[shootfighter1]

The UK needs to wisen up on immigration and what's going on with radical muslims in their country.  They have dropped the ball big time in allowing so many radical muslims into their country.  They also need to get a better handle of what is being taught at muslim schools in their own country.  Many terrorists have been educated in England (london).  It's unacceptible and it affects the safety of other nations outside their own.

We should be very critical of England for being so lax with immigration policies and so PC as to ignore home grown terrorists.  Their over PC ways have helped these terrorists learn and recruit from England and kill innocent westerners.

(see other thread)

[Soul Crusher]

Why?

I would gladly submit myself to a scan/search if every other person on the plane with me was given the same.  Why would I oppose something that is for my safety and well being?  I have nothing to worry about so I don't care.  I am not conspiring to do anything, but I certainly want to know if some of those other bozos are.

You are attempting to compare your 2nd amendment right with TSA safety procedures.  If they let you bring a gun, then that would apply to everyone else.  Even terrorists.  Which isn't accomplishing a damn thing.  If shit goes down, then I would rather have 3-4 terrorists without guns on a plane facing dozens of other unarmed passengers than a couple of heroic vigilante types staging an Ok Corral type shoot out which will only seal the fate for everyone else when a stray bullet punches through a window or the hull.

That is a stupid comparison.  

I think it is degrading personally.  However, I am against it since we dont need it if the govt could be counted on to do its a job.  The govt had all it needed to get this savage yet it did nothing.  Thus, while I hate the idea of this, if its a last stop gap against govt incompetence, then that is the price, sadly.  To me, its awful that perhaps 300 or more people would have been killed here due solely to govt incompetence.    

And Hugo - GET THE HELL OVER IT - you dont have any freedom in the airport to give up as it is.    

[Soul Crusher]

what's next.  Possibly random checkpoints all over the country were everyone is scanned right down to giving them information of the size of your ballsack, your wifes tits and your kid's development.  Afterall, hey what could we bitch about, we've all submitted to it being ok for air travel.  All it would take is for the next set of attackers to have come in over the border or by boat on the coast.  and hey, if you're ok with a scanned 3d representation of your privates, you couldn't possibly have an issue with total information awareness in all other areas.  It's for your safety don't ya know  Don't worry, the information will never be misused.  We have well trained people earning 11 bucks an hour to know your every detail.

Hugo - I am not in favor of this, but you dont have an unlimited right to privacy in the airport or other places.  This is well settled law the same way you dont have an unlimited right to free speech or any other right.   

 

 

[Fury]

These scanners didn't just appear. They've been in use in some airports for a while now. As of yet there hasn't been one story popping up of these scans being abused or misused. So basically Hugo is operating on the assumption that they MAY be abused, which in reality, doesn't mean shit.

Just about anything in this world can be misused in some way. Does it mean it's guaranteed to happen? Nope.

[Soul Crusher]

These scanners didn't just appear. They've been in use in some airports for a while now. As of yet there hasn't been one story popping up of these scans being abused or misused. So basically Hugo is operating on the assumption that they MAY be abused, which in reality, doesn't mean shit.

Just about anything in this world can be misused in some way. Does it mean it's guaranteed to happen? Nope.

You always have the option to drive no?

[Fury]

You always have the option to drive no?

I've been saying that for days. Flying isn't a right. And if you don't agree with how the safety measures work in the airports you have the option of not flying. No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to walk through the scanner.  

Hugo's entire argument is built around his perceived notion that these will be parlayed into this grand "freedom-eroding" scheme. His entire argument is built around opinion and devoid of facts.

[24KT]

start a thread about it then.  I know you love to turn other people's threads into what you want to talk about and that little annoyance is getting old real fast.

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[LurkerNoMore]

I think it is degrading personally.  However, I am against it since we dont need it if the govt could be counted on to do its a job.  The govt had all it needed to get this savage yet it did nothing.  Thus, while I hate the idea of this, if its a last stop gap against govt incompetence, then that is the price, sadly.  To me, its awful that perhaps 300 or more people would have been killed here due solely to govt incompetence.    

And Hugo - GET THE HELL OVER IT - you dont have any freedom in the airport to give up as it is.    

Why is it degrading?  Even if it were, I would rather be degraded than dead.  What is the most that can happen?  The scanners see you have a little pee-pee or silicone tits?  So what? 

Maybe we should resort to the honor system?  Everyone, terrorists included, promise not to bring guns or explosives onboard.  We take them at their word.

[boonasty]

I know, I know... you don't see a problem at all lol...

Body scanner, with detailed genitalia reporting
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908

  who's the first guy?  john holmes?

[MB_722]

L-3 Communications

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Robert W. RisCassi

 

[MB_722]

L-3 Communications of Pinellas gets $165 million contract for body scanners

 A defense contractor that builds body-imaging scanners at a St. Petersburg plant is positioned to sell Uncle Sam hundreds of machines for U.S. airports after the Christmas bomb scare on a Northwest Airlines flight approaching Detroit.

The Transportation Security Administration last week awarded a contract to L-3 Communications to buy up to $165 million worth of its ProVision scanners. The devices scan air travelers' bodies and generate X-ray-like images that can reveal weapons hidden under clothes.

Security experts, members of Congress and travel industry groups have called for stepping up deployment of the machines since a 23-year-old Nigerian man hid an explosive and other components in his underwear and smuggled them onto the plane.

Forty of the L-3 scanners are in use at 19 U.S. airports, including Tampa International. L-3 and Rapiscan Systems of Torrance, Calif., produce the only whole-body imagers approved for passenger screening by the TSA.

The contract last week isn't an order for L-3 scanners, said Lauren Gaches, a TSA spokeswoman. It identified funding sources and set a ceiling for purchasing an unspecified number of units over an indefinite time period.

The TSA recently said it ordered 150 Rapiscan scanners to be installed this year and had funding for an additional 300 from an unidentified source.

A huge defense contractor, L-3 set up shop in a nondescript business park on Bryan Dairy Road in Clearwater to enter the airport security business. In 1998, the company won government certification for its eXaminer luggage scanner.

In 2003, L-3 moved to a new location at Gateway Business Park on Gandy Boulevard in St. Petersburg. About 190 employees assemble and test eXaminer machines, X-ray devices for carry-on bags and the body scanners.

Five other companies are trying to win TSA certification for their body scanners, said Harry Glenn, a spokesman for U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores.

"I think (TSA officials) are trying to figure out how much capacity these companies have to produce them," he said.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/airlines/l-3-communications-of-pinellas-gets-165-million-contract-for-body-scanners/1063076
 

[240 is Back]

NBC revealed this one sunday on meet the press, with chertoff as the guest.


Chertoff Linked to Body Scanner Manufacturer

WASHINGTON – Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

[Soul Crusher]

NBC revealed this one sunday on meet the press, with chertoff as the guest.


Chertoff Linked to Body Scanner Manufacturer

WASHINGTON – Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports.

What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines. Chertoff disclosed the relationship on a CNN program Wednesday, in response to a question.

I am deadset against these things now.  I completel ychanged my mind seeing the Chertoff thing as well as the fact that we already had enough info to stop this savage trying to blow up the plane. 

[MRDUMPLING]

You guys think just because you don't have the RIGHT to fly that that is free reign to force people to surrender privacy RIGHTS?  I honestly think random searches at airports is pushing the limit...if you think this is all for our safety you are kidding yourselves.  Wake up!  Hugo is dead on with his analysis of this situation.  It stinks like hell.