The UK has a major problem it must address

[shootfighter1]

I loved England when I visited and can't wait to go back.  The history, architecture, combination of new and old, most of the people...fantastic...but ....

The UK needs to address a major problem.  They have dropped the ball big time in allowing so many radical muslims into their country.  There have been studies showing shocking attitudes of many muslims in Brittian.  A majority of university muslim students were sympathetic to jihad.  The U.K. needs to get a better handle of what is being taught at muslim schools in their own country.  Many terrorists have been educated and recruited in England (london).  This unacceptible and it affects the safety of other nations outside their own.

We need to be outraged at England for being so lax with immigration policies and so PC as to ignore home grown terrorists.  This should be addressed as a matter of international security.

[powerpack]

England is unfortunately paralysed with the whole PC thing.
Something many people count on and take advantage of.

[24KT]

We need to be outraged at England for being so lax with immigration policies and so PC as to ignore home grown terrorists.  This should be addressed as a matter of international security.

You need to fix your own domestic problems before you start running off all over the world being outraged at what the UK is doing.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. you scream about tax payer money being spent foolishly, but how do you think your government is going to pay for acting as the world police. Solve your own shit before getting outraged at UK

[shootfighter1]

Both can and should be done.  No doubt the U.S. has to fix it's own security problems (and outrageous spending habits), I agree.
I think the U.S. often sticks it's nose too far in other nation's businesses but this is incredibly important and needs to be discussed as an international security issue.  This doesn't require specific funding...the U.S. can bring this up with their ally for discussion as a way to decrease terrorist attacks in Western countries.  It's up to the English to change their own policies but spurring discussion is wise.

The English should themselves be outraged. The lack of security in England has affected other countries.  You'd be surprised how many terrorists over the last 2 decades have been educated or were from England.  It's clearly related to their lax immigration policies and lack of screening.  Also not having a handle on what's happening in muslim schools in their country.

[shootfighter1]

Jag, do you not agree that the UK needs to better police (and better screen immigrants) the radical muslims that live or study there based on the number of terrorists that have lived or studied in England/London?

[GroinkTropin]

Radical muslims should be banished into the desert imo. You say you don't like the law of the land, that it is inferior to some crap written hundreds of years ago- fuck you! get the hell out! Why is this so hard to understand? You say you are my enemy, and hate my way of life-then get out of my land! It's VERY clear to me they are invaders of many countries and because they know they are too weak militarily they are trying to win by breeding and coersion. It's very disturbing to see whole countries allow it to happen.

[Eyeball Chambers]

You need to fix your own domestic problems before you start running off all over the world being outraged at what the UK is doing.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. you scream about tax payer money being spent foolishly, but how do you think your government is going to pay for acting as the world police. Solve your own shit before getting outraged at UK

WTF? 

[shootfighter1]

Kind of a passionate responce by Jag but my point wasn't that the U.S should help England make laws and fund programs, it was that the U.S. needs to have a discussion with the U.K about the number of radical muslims that are recruited from England and encourage them to have more strict policies.  A large number of terrorists have come from or studied in Enlgand.  They have been too passive in combating radical muslims and the terrorists have bombed western nations and killed innocent people.

CNN ran a really scary front page story about the growing # of radical muslims in England and how there was a shocking # of English muslims who were sympathetic to sharia law and jihad.

[shootfighter1]

I guess I needed a more catchy title for more discussion.  I think this is an important topic, any other thoughts?

[Skip8282]

Solve your own shit before getting outraged at UK

Says the Canadian who's always crying about this country.

[George Whorewell]

Shoot why do you even respond to her?

She is

(a) From a country that doesn't matter in any way, shape or form on the international stage
(b) An avowed communist nut job who makes excuses for any criminal or terrorist as long as they are black or Muslim ( i know the Muslim terrorist  label is kind of a double designation of the same thing, but you get the point)
(c) A lesbo who resembles a cross between whooppi goldberg and Aunt Jemimah

All the sane people who post here with an IQ above a jar of mayonnaise agree with your sentiments.

[24KT]

Jag, do you not agree that the UK needs to better police (and better screen immigrants) the radical muslims that live or study there based on the number of terrorists that have lived or studied in England/London?

I don't see this as an immigration problem, since the majority of terrorists we've seen from that part of the world appear to be homegrown... born & bred in the UK. So the issue is not an immigration one. The question is... how to keep people from becoming radicalized? You can close the boders up tighter than a virgin's parts, ...but if the radicalization of the homegrown continues, the problem remains.

[24KT]

Radical muslims should be banished into the desert imo. You say you don't like the law of the land, that it is inferior to some crap written hundreds of years ago- fuck you! get the hell out! Why is this so hard to understand? You say you are my enemy, and hate my way of life-then get out of my land! It's VERY clear to me they are invaders of many countries and because they know they are too weak militarily they are trying to win by breeding and coersion. It's very disturbing to see whole countries allow it to happen.

According to Ron Paul, and many experts, ...this is the position of many who organize terrorists.

[24KT]

Shoot why do you even respond to her?

She is

(a) From a country that doesn't matter in any way, shape or form on the international stage

LOL You'd be surprised just how much Canada matters on the world stage.

(b) An avowed communist nut job who makes excuses for any criminal or terrorist as long as they are black or Muslim ( i know the Muslim terrorist  label is kind of a double designation of the same thing, but you get the point)
(c) A lesbo who resembles a cross between whooppi goldberg and Aunt Jemimah

All the sane people who post here with an IQ above a jar of mayonnaise agree with your sentiments.

prove it.

[shootfighter1]

I think Ron Paul is somewhat correct in that we have aggravated the situation by keeping a military force in the middle east for so long...but that's far from the whole story.  Radical muslims have been fighting for centuries, it's in their culture and close minded religion.  We didn't create the problem.  As evidenced by Obama's troop surge, the situation must be very complicated over there (his supporters on the left are not happy).  We are not privy to most of the intel.

Whether the UK's problem with radical muslims is home grown (agreed, many are), immigrants or a combination of both, it still needs to be addressed differently.  Radical clerics and sects have been allowed to grow far too strong there.  I posted the CNN story link a month or two ago, which was truely very scary...but it wasn't controversial enough so didn't get many posts or views.  Perhaps I need to study 240s methods.
 I am concerned because I despise these terrorists who have no respect for human life...and all western nations are threatened by them.  Also, I really enjoyed England when I traveled there 2 years ago...such beauty and history and it's sad to see these muslims come in and actively tring to change the country for the worse.  

[Eyeball Chambers]

I just hope Europe as we know it can be preserved, or is it already too late? 

[Soul Crusher]

I just hope Europe as we know it can be preserved, or is it already too late? 

Its sort of like the question a man asks "Is my hair thinning?"

By the time you ask that question, its too late anyway. 

[powerpack]

Plane suspect 'recruited in London'  http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/01/201017122253727113.html
 
 
A Nigerian man accused of the attempted bombing of a US-bound plane on Christmas Day was recruited by al-Qaeda in London and met a radical American Muslim cleric in Yemen, a top Yemeni official has said.

Addressing a news conference on Thursday, Rashad al-Alimi, Yemen's deputy prime minister for defence and security, said: "The information provided to us is that Umar Farouk [Abdulmutallab] joined al-Qaeda in London."

Al-Alimi said that Abdulmutallab had also met with Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim preacher, during his time in Yemen, referring to an English-speaking cleric linked to a gunman who ran amok in a US army base in Texas in November, killing 13 people.

A Yemeni security official has said al-Awlaki was believed to have later died in a strike on al-Qaeda fighters last month.

Yemen-based al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula said last week that it had trained and equipped Abdulmutallab, 23, for the plane plot.

'No evidence'

Earlier this week, in a statement to the UK parliament, Alan Johnson, the country's interior minister, said: "As has been widely reported, Abdulmutallab attended University College London (UCL) between 2005 and 2008, where he completed a degree in engineering.

"During this time he was known to the Security Service but not as somebody engaged in violent extremism.

"His family and friends have stated their belief that he turned to this during his time in Yemen."

On Thursday, a spokesperson for UCL said: "We would like to reiterate that there is absolutely no evidence at this stage to suggest that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was radicalised at UCL.

"We are currently providing all assistance to the authorities, and are setting up a full independent review of Mr Abdulmutallab's time here."

Mohamed Vall, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Sana'a, the Yemeni capital, said: "There are two major points that he [al-Alimi] made today that shed new light on the incident.

"One of them is that he [Abdulmutallab] was not recruited in Yemen, and the other is that he did not bring these explosives from Yemen, he brought them from Nigeria.

"This of course takes some of the burden from the Yemenis and takes it to London."

Vall said that the international focus on Yemen was of increasing concern to the government in Sana'a.

He said: "There are fears that if there is more and more interference from the outside world, that could make a situation that is already fragile in this country ... worse."

Intervention rejected

Yemen, which is trying to fight a resurgent al-Qaeda on its territory, launched an operation this week to root out al-Qaeda fighters who they said were behind threats that forced several Western embassies to close on Sunday. 


 
Brown said Britain planned to join the US in funding an 'anti-terrorist' force in Yemen [AFP]
Last week, Gordon Brown, the British prime minister, said the UK planned to join the US in funding an "anti-terrorist" force in Yemen.

Brown said he would hold a meeting in London on January 28 to discuss how to counter radicalisation in Yemen.

Abubakr al-Qirbi, Yemen's foreign minister, whose country is also facing a Houthi uprising in the north and simmering separatist sentiment in the south, has rejected direct foreign intervention.

"We think this is the priority and the responsibility of our security forces and the army," al-Qirbi told CNN, the US broadcaster.

Asked by CNN whether Yemen would accept direct US intervention, al-Qirbi said: "No, I don't think we will accept that.

"I think the US, as well, have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq and other places that direct intervention can be self-defeating."

Al-Qaeda 'spared'

Al-Qirbi said there were about 200 to 300 al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen.

"I think our thought was that maybe we should spare al-Qaeda in the last year because of the confrontation in the south and with the Houthis.

"But al-Qaeda took advantage of that," Qirbi said, adding that al-Qaeda had tried to make inroads with northern fighters and southern separatists.

Meanwhile, gunmen shot dead two Yemeni soldiers in attack on a police station in Aden, the former capital of south Yemen, witnesses and security sources said on Thursday.

The gunmen were believed to be suspects wanted in criminal cases, an independent Yemeni news website reported, quoting a security official
 

[kcballer]

Shoot why do you even respond to her?

She is

(a) From a country that doesn't matter in any way, shape or form on the international stage
(b) An avowed communist nut job who makes excuses for any criminal or terrorist as long as they are black or Muslim ( i know the Muslim terrorist  label is kind of a double designation of the same thing, but you get the point)
(c) A lesbo who resembles a cross between whooppi goldberg and Aunt Jemimah

All the sane people who post here with an IQ above a jar of mayonnaise agree with your sentiments.

So you don't like being told what to do by another country but are more than prepared to tell another country what to do?  Irony much...

[George Whorewell]

Huh? 

[kcballer]

Huh? 

Haha i could have worded it better.  So here goes - you don't like Jag (a canadian) telling you what to do with your country (america) but yet you (america) are more than happy to tell the UK what to do with theirs. 

[George Whorewell]

Well, I'm not posting on a UK message board telling people in the UK what to do. I am agreeing with someone that has pointed out an obvious problem ( rampant radical Islam) in relation to the UK. A more apt comparison would be if I was posting on a Canadian website telling Canadians how they should run their country while giving asinine, uninformed opinions in the process.

Also, the UK and America are permanently intertwined as allies in the fight against Islamic terrorism. If they get their problem under control, it can only help us.

[shootfighter1]

It's not telling em what to do but raising the issue for discussion.  I think some of the Brits are so focused on being PC that they are ignoring terrorist recruitment in their own back yard...instead focusing all their energies abroad when they should consider more energy at home too.  True, it's a touchy subject but it needs to be discussed between allies.

[shootfighter1]

London breeding Islamic terrorists By Robert Leiken, CNN
January 6, 2010 9:00 a.m.
 

Robert Leiken: Would-be Christmas Day suicide bomber was radicalized in London
Leiken says London is haven for foreign jihadi preachers, organizers, agitators
He says British security said AbdulMutallab communicated with extremists in London
Leiken says British turn blind eye; "once-glorious culture of tolerance lost its bearings"
Editor's note: Robert S. Leiken in the director of National Security and Immigration Programs at The Nixon Center and writes for The National Interest. He is the author of the forthcoming "Europe's Angry Muslims: The Revolt of the Second Generation" (Oxford University Press).

(CNN) -- In assessing blame for the Christmas Day terror scare, we point fingers at Yemen, at the Amsterdam airport, even at corruption in African airports. But no one mentions where the would-be suicide bomber was radicalized: London, the capital of the ally we take for granted.

Last weekend, British security agency MI5 revealed that Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab had "multiple communications" with Islamic extremists in London, that the Nigerian reached out from London to a worldwide network of jihadi contacts and that he was "on the periphery of a past incident."

Why was this 3-year-old information apparently not shared with U.S. authorities until more than a week after the near-fatal flight?

Probably the reason is that UK security agencies are overwhelmed by the dimensions of the terrorist threat in Britain. Two years ago, MI5's director revealed that there were 4,000 people known to be "involved in terrorist-related activity in the UK" in more than 200 terrorist networks. A year later, authorities said the threat was growing "increasingly complex" and the numbers "even higher."

Since the mid-90s, London has been a haven for foreign jihadi preachers, organizers, agitators and propagandists, many of them recipients of generous welfare benefits.

"Londonistan" attracted second-generation British Muslims who spurned the folk Islam and customs of their immigrant parents but were repelled by a British culture they regarded as decadent and racist.

London has become a fertile field in the jihadi playground, along with Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.

With the exception of the 2005 London bombings, the terrorist plots they organized were disrupted. However, permissive British judges and juries failed to convict many of the plotters, including those who scouted the London bombing.

Anwar al-Awlaki, who inspired the Fort Hood massacre and conspired with AbdulMutallab in Yemen, reportedly has also inspired several terrorist cells in Britain. He is heard on British-based Web sites and via video links at conferences hosted by university Islamic Societies such as the one AbdulMutallab led at University College London.

The Nigerian is the fourth president of a London Islamic Society to face terrorist charges in three years. One of them is awaiting retrial, having escaped conviction for involvement in the 2006 liquid bomb plot to blow up airliners bound for the U.S., a precursor to the Christmas plot.

In November, the University College Islamic Society canceled, at the last minute, an appearance by a firebrand imam who preached at other London universities that women are mentally deficient and that critics of Islam and homosexuals should be assassinated.

After the Christmas scare, videos of UCL Islamic Society gatherings were removed from YouTube, and its Web site was taken down. An Islamic Society video allowed to remain online, presumably regarded by UCL authorities as not so embarrassing, boasted of "the collapse of evolution in the very building dedicated to Charles Darwin. In the spot he once lived."

What was hidden in the other videos? Why can't scholars view them? Malcolm Grant, UCL's provost, professes to being "completely shocked" by the Christmas news.

He says AbdulMutallab's tutors "found it impossible to tell the difference between him and any other student." Are we supposed to be reassured? According to The Observer newspaper, Britain's official "Joint Terrorism Analysis Center is believed to have cited UCL in 2008 as one of up to 12 universities that might have a problem with 'extremism.' "

About 100,000 British university students are Muslims. About a quarter of them belong to Islamic Societies, and half of those are active members.

With the ascendancy of identity politics in Britain, Islamic Societies, rather like African-American student associations of yore, have become the hub of students professing to seek "social justice." But their idea of justice is to indict as the world's real terrorists the U.S. and Israel, as in "The War on Terror Week" that AbdulMutallab hosted at UCL's Islamic Society.

Islamic Society members vary widely. They may be moderate Sufis, apolitical pietists, democratic Islamists, windy radicals or extremists like AbdulMutallab. Many of them believe that violence is acceptable if their religion is under attack, which is little comfort, because the central plank of radical Islam is that their religion is under attack worldwide.

Terror experts believe AbdulMutallab, 23, was targeted by al Qaeda as a suicide bomber because he had previously flown to the United States, had a valid visa and had lived in the UK. More than a dozen British radicals reportedly are being trained in Yemen today, not to mention scores training in Pakistan.

But if we begin to point fingers at Britain, we will need two hands. The danger from Britain has its source in nearly every institution in British society: a Parliament that cannot pass counterterrorism legislation, police that do not arrest because evidence is not strong enough to convince a British court, security agencies that do not disclose to the media information about suspects, Islamic organizations that tell Muslims that such silence proves that the suspects have been falsely accused, a press that allows the public to believe such claims, jurors who then hold prosecutors to impossible standards and a once-glorious culture of tolerance that has lost its bearings.

London has become a fertile field in the jihadi playground, along with Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.
Our great friend has allowed herself to become a strategic resource to our common enemies and a liability in the struggle against terrorism.

[rccs]

England has become a brown shithole! I don't understand why, in the land of the hooligans, no one faces the muslims? It is disgusting... Fuck muslims!