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Obama: Hurry Up On Health Care, Bypass Usual Negotiations
Huffpost - Obama: Hurry Up On Health Care, Bypass Usual Negotiations
ERICA WERNER | 01/ 6/10 08:53 AM | 


Obama told top Democrats to speed things up with health care reform.   
 
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is prodding House and Senate Democrats to get him a final health care bill as soon as possible, encouraging them to bypass the usual negotiations between the two chambers in the interest of speed.

Obama delivered the message at an Oval Office meeting Tuesday evening with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his No. 2, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., joined in by phone.

They agreed that rather than setting up a formal conference committee to resolve differences between health bills passed last year by the House and Senate, the House will work off the Senate's version, amend it and send it back to the Senate for final passage, according to a House leadership aide, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss the private meeting.

Obama himself will take a hands-on role, convening another meeting with congressional leaders at the White House on Wednesday. Pelosi, along with four other Democratic committee chairs, are expected to attend.

The aim is to get a final bill to Obama's desk before the State of the Union address sometime in early February.

Facing the need to maintain a tenuous 60-vote coalition in the Senate, House Democrats will probably have to give up on starting a new government insurance plan to compete with the private market, something that's a nonstarter with Senate moderates. In its place they hope for more generous subsidies for lower-income families to buy health insurance.

Obama agreed at Tuesday evening's meeting to help strengthen affordability measures beyond what's in the Senate bill, the aide said.

Pelosi suggested Tuesday that House members wouldn't insist on the government plan as long as the final bill provides "affordability for the middle class, accountability for the insurance companies, ... accessibility by lowering cost at every stage."

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"There are other ways to do that, and we look forward to having those discussions," she said.

House Democrats want the Senate to agree to language revoking insurers' antitrust exemption as a way to hold insurance companies accountable in absence of direct government competition, said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., a member of the House leadership.

The bills passed by the House and Senate both would require nearly all Americans to get coverage and would provide subsidies for many who can't afford the cost, but they differ on hundreds of details. Among them are whom to tax, how many people to cover, how to restrict taxpayer funding for abortion and whether illegal immigrants should be allowed to buy coverage in the new markets with their own money.

Concerns about affordability are paramount. Major subsidies under the bills wouldn't start flowing to consumers until 2013 at the earliest. Even with federal aid, many families still would face substantial costs.

The House bill would provide $602 billion in subsidies from 2013-2019, covering an additional 36 million people.

The Senate bill would start the aid a year later, providing $436 billion in subsidies from 2014-2019, and reducing the number of uninsured by 31 million.

"Affordability is a critical issue," Van Hollen said.

But sweetening the deal for low- and middle-income households could require more taxes to pay for additional subsidies. And the House and Senate are also at odds over whom to tax. The House wants to raise income taxes on individuals making more than $500,000 and couples over $1 million. The Senate would slap a new tax on high-cost insurance plans. Although the Obama administration supports the Senate's insurance tax as a cost-saver, labor unions, which contribute heavily to Democratic candidates, are against it.

The House may end up accepting the insurance tax if it hits fewer people than the Senate's design now calls for. There also could be common ground in a Senate proposal to raise Medicare payroll taxes on individuals making more than $200,000 and married couples over $250,000.

Democrats reacted defensively to criticism that they are taking the final, most crucial stage of the debate behind closed doors, contending they've conducted a transparent process with hundreds of public meetings and legislation posted online. Republicans seized on a newly released letter from the head of the C-SPAN network calling on congressional leaders to open the final talks to the public, and cited Obama's campaign trail pledge to do just that.

Asked about that promise, Pelosi remarked, without elaboration, "There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail."

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Associated Press writers Donna Cassata and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report.
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Like I have said, Obama & the democrats are a Communist Junta.

Remember this promise?  More lies from the Communist-in-Chief.  This tape is priceless.  This guy himself made a dirty deal with the Drug Companies in the WH and he has the balls to say this? 

I want just one of you knee padders to spin this video. 





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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 07:11:56 AM »
Ha ha.  and you idiots really fell for this jerks' lies? 

I dont know who is worse, Obama or the dupes who voted for him?


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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 08:05:57 AM »
Damn - this libs are in attack mode. 
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The Democrats' Authoritarian Health "Reform" Bill and the Ascendency of Corporatism in the Democratic Party
By Miles Mogulescu
The Huffington Post
December 23, 2009


(This is the first of a series of blogs/articles that will try to put the growing disappointment of many progressives at President Obama's policies into a wider political and theoretical perspective about the divide in the Democratic Party between progressives and corporatists.)
If Barack Obama and today's Congressional Democrats were passing Social Security for the first time, instead of a creating a public program, they would likely be mandating that every American buy an annuity from a private, profit-driven Wall Street firm like Goldman Sachs (who could keep 15%-20% of their payments for overhead, profits and executive salaries) with the IRS serving as Wall Street's collection agency. If they were passing Medicare today, they would be mandating that every American buy a health insurance policy from profit-driven companies like Aetna, Humana and Wellpoint that would start paying benefits with 40% co-pays and $10,000 a year deductibles when they turn 65.

Therefore, when Senate "liberals" argue that their health "reform" bill, while compromised, is like the first iterations of Social Security and Medicare and provides a "starter home" that can be added to later, many progressives respond that its foundation is built on quicksand and that it's not incremental reform but a step in the fundamentally wrong direction.

Democrats and liberals once stood for providing a social safety net through government programs like Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance, which were administered by government employees for the benefit of the American people and not by private companies for the benefit of their shareholders and executives who receive multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses. For over 60 years, they stood for the principal that health care should be a right and not a privilege and that Medicare should be extended to all Americans.
Democrats in Congress, under the leadership of Barack Obama, have now turned that principal on its head and made health care neither a right, nor a privilege, but an obligation for individual citizens and a government-mandated profit center for private corporations. For the first time in American history, Democrats are about to pass a bill that uses the coercive power of the federal government to force every American -- simply by virtue of being an American -- to purchase the products of a private company. At heart, the Democrats' solution to 48 million uninsured is to force the them to buy inadequate private insurance -- with potentially high deductibles and co-pays and no price controls -- or be fined by the federal government.

In effect, this represents an historic defeat for the type of liberalism represented by the New Deal and the Great Society and the ascendancy of a new type of corporatist liberalism. As Ed Kilgore recently wrote in an important and provocative article in The New Republic,

"To put it simply, and perhaps over-simply, on a variety of fronts (most notably financial restructuring and health care reform, but arguably on climate change as well), the Obama administration has chosen the strategy of deploying regulated and subsidized private sector entities to achieve progressive policy results. This approach was a hallmark of the so-called Clintonian, 'New Democrat' movement, and the broader international movement sometimes referred to as 'the Third Way,' which often defended the use of private means for public ends... To put it more bluntly, on a widening range of issues, Obama's critics to the right say he's engineering a government takeover of the private sector, while his critics to the left accuse him of promoting a corporate takeover of the public sector."
Or as David Brooks wrote in The New York Times earlier this summer,

"[Obama and Clinton] Democrats learned never to go to war against the combined forces of corporate America. Today, whether it is on the stimulus, on health care, or any other issue, the Obama administration and the Congressional leadership go out of their way to court corporate interests, to win corporate support and to at least divide corporate opposition."

The differences between progressive New Deal liberals -- what Howard Dean termed the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" -- and corporatist liberals or "New Democrats" were largely papered over for the past 8 years by common opposition to the free market absolutism and neoconservative foreign policy of the Bush administration. In terms of health care reform, they were papered over by the hopes of many progressive liberals -- who were willing to give up fighting for Medicare-For-All as politically "impractical" -- of achieving a robust public option as an acceptable compromise in the context of a larger health insurance mandate.

For many of these progressive liberals, the idea of the public option, at least at the beginning, was that it would be so large and successful that it would prove the superiority of government-run health insurance over private profit-driven health insurance and would eventually evolve into a single payer system. They watched, with increasing concern, as a large and robust public option was first turned by House Democrats into a small and puny public option that would insure only a handful of Americans and provide little competition to private insurers, and then as the public option was dumped entirely by Senate Democrats, with no help by President Obama to defend it.

And as they have seen the end result of the Democratic Senate's health care bill, progressives have started to get angry. Stripped of the public option, progressives could now look through the Democratic health care bill to its essence: the permanent entrenchment of the corrupt private health insurance corporation as the nexus of the American health care system; the authoritarian liberal solution of solving the problem of the uninsured by using the coercive power of the federal government to force citizens to buy inadequate private insurance sold by oligopolies with their profits subsidized by taxpayer dollars; and the increased political power of the of the private health care industry into the indefinite future, fueled by government money that can then be used to lobby the government for more private benefits.
As a result, the past two weeks have seen a revolt from much of the progressive base of the Democratic Party, articulated by people like Howard Dean, Marcos Moulitsas, Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and by organizations like MoveOn, The AFL-CIO, SEIU, and Progressive Democrats of America. The ideological fault line between progressive Democrats and corporatist "New Democrats" has split wide open.
Obama campaigned, at least on the level of political imagery, as a progressive liberal. His campaign slogan was "Yes We Can", taken directly from the '60's era slogan of Cesar Chavez and The United Farm Workers Union, "Si Se Puede". He evoked the imagery of Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. He talked about overthrowing the influence of special interests and lobbyists and transforming the way Washington does business. He promised transformative "Change" (although, as some critics pointed out at the time, he left the direction of "Change" so vague that voters of various stripes could read what they wanted into it). That's why a majority of progressive Democrats supported Obama over Hillary Clinton in the primaries, particularly after the more populist John Edwards withdrew. They didn't want to see a return to the centrism, corporatism, and triangulation of Clintonism.

But from the moment he was elected, Obama has governed not as a progressive liberal but as a corporatist liberal. Progressive liberals hoped Obama would be like FDR. Instead, he's been like Bill Clinton on steroids.

Obama's economic advisors, such as Larry Summers and Tim Geithner, were all drawn from the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party. His foreign policy advisors were all liberal hawks like Hillary Clinton or even Bush administration veterans like Robert Gates. From day one, Obama continued Wall Street Republican Hank Paulson's financial policies of throwing money at the banks while demanding next to nothing in return in terms of making credit available to average Americans and small businesses or creating new jobs.

When it came to health care "reform", Obama's strategy was to cut deals with for-profit health care corporations. He cut a deal with big Pharma to continue banning Medicare from negotiating for lower drug prices and to continue banning consumers from buying cheaper drugs from Canada. He cut a deal with the for-profit hospital industry that there would be no effective national public option that might pay them lower rates that the for-profit insurance oligopoly. While he gave mild rhetorical support to the public option, he did nothing to actually fight for it , and, as Russ Feingold has pointed out, Joe Lieberman was really doing Obama's work in killing it.

Because of Obama's rhetorical and imaging skills, it has taken until the past week or two, with the death of the public option, for progressives to begin to wonder whether Obama was really their friend. And what's most remarkable, by teasing them with the hopes of a public option, he's so far held onto the vote of virtually every Congressional liberal for an essentially authoritarian corporatist health care bill.
So total has been Obama's success to date in defeating the progressive Democrats and enshrining the corporatist New Democrats, that even progressive talk radio veteran Al Franken and the closest thing to a European-style social democrat to hold national political office, Bernie Sanders, are not only voting for -- but are talking up the virtues of -- the Senate health "reform" bill. Although nearly 60 members of the House Progressive Caucus signed a letter promising to vote against a health care bill doesn't have a robust public option, unless, to everyone's surprise, there's a big enough revolt over the Christmas holidays among large progressive groups like the AFL-CIO (who's money and volunteers many Democratic Congresspeople need to get reelected), virtually all of those House Progressives will end up breaking their pledge and voting for a final Congressional Conference bill with no public option, a coercive mandate, and a tax on the "Chevy" health care benefits of union workers.

Only an African American President cloaked in the rhetoric and imagery of progressive change could have pulled off such a rout of progressives and such a virtually unanimous victory for the corporatists in the Democratic Party. The Clintons could never have pulled it off.
That helps explain why many progressive Democrats -- myself included -- are increasingly in a state of anger and despair. If after millions of progressives worked so hard to elect Barack Obama and a Democratic majority in Congress, the result is an almost total defeat of progressives in the Democratic Party -- or at least in the Congressional Democratic Party -- where do progressives turn? A progressive primary challenge to Democratic incumbents in 2010, or even to Obama's reelection in 2012, is probably futile and counterproductive. At the same time, as the 2000 Nader campaign so aptly demonstrated, the winner-take-all American electoral system makes the formation of a third party equally futile.

Historically, strong popular movements, like the labor movement and the civil rights movement, have pressured elected corporate Democrats to enact a measure of progressive change. And, as progressives come to understand the corporatist nature of Obamism, perhaps the best hope is that progressive organizations will be less anxious to be extensions of the White House and return to grassroots organizing. The question is whether Obama -- the one-time community organizer -- is susceptible to pressure from mass grassroots organizations. If not, the country, as well as Democrats and progressives, may be in for a hard time.

As it increasingly appears that Obama is the President of Wall Street, and not the President of Main Street, he is losing not only the left but the center. It's a myth that the path to winning the popular center in American politics is moving to the corporate center. If the only political choice given to American voters is using their taxes to help big government subsidize wealthy corporations, or the Republican message of shrinking the size of government and cutting their taxes, many who voted for Obama will return to the fold of the seemingly brain-dead Republican Party. Obama will likely face an even more conservative Congress after the 2010 election and even, like Jimmy Carter, could end up as a one-term President.

The hopes of millions of Obama campaign workers and voters that the Age of Obama would sweep in a new era of progressive change could be dashed. A generation of young voters could be turned off to politics instead of becoming permanent Democrats.
Let's hope, that with the defeat of the public option at Obama's hands, the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party wakes up and begins to realize that it has a fight on its hand against the corporatist Democrats, and that Obama might not be its natural ally.

As Kevin Baker wrote in Harpers Magazine last spring, warning of the dangers of a failed Obama Presidency,

"Obama internalized what might be called Clinton's 'business liberalism' as an alternative to useless battles from another time...Clinton's business liberalism, however, is a chimera...a capitulation to powerful and selfish interest. ..a 'pragmatism that is not really pragmatism at all, just surrender to the usual corporate interests...

Franklin Roosevelt also took office imagining that he could bring all classes of Americans together in some big, mushy, cooperative scheme. Quickly disabused of this notion, he threw himself into the bumptious give-and-take of practical politics; lying, deceiving, manipulating, arraying one group after another on his side--a transit encapsulated by how, at the end of his first term, his outraged opponents were calling him a "traitor to his class" and he was gleefully inveighing against "economic royalists" and announcing, 'They are unanimous in their hatred for me--and I welcome their hatred.'

Obama should not deceive himself into thinking that such interest-group politics can be banished any more than can the cycles of Walls Street. It is not too late for him to change direction and seize the radical moment at hand. But for the moment... Barack Obama is moving prudently, carefully, reasonably toward disaster."

That was spring. Now it's the winter of our discontent. The moment for Obama to "change direction and seize the radical moment at hand" is fast receding. Will he continue to move "prudently, carefully, reasonably towards disaster?" If not, I worry for the future not only of progressives and Democrats, but of the country. President Palin in 2012?

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 08:11:53 AM »
Only an African American President cloaked in the rhetoric and imagery of progressive change could have pulled off such a rout of progressives and such a virtually unanimous victory for the corporatists in the Democratic Party. The Clintons could never have pulled it off.

That helps explain why many progressive Democrats -- myself included -- are increasingly in a state of anger and despair. If after millions of progressives worked so hard to elect Barack Obama and a Democratic majority in Congress, the result is an almost total defeat of progressives in the Democratic Party -- or at least in the Congressional Democratic Party -- where do progressives turn? A progressive primary challenge to Democratic incumbents in 2010, or even to Obama's reelection in 2012, is probably futile and counterproductive. At the same time, as the 2000 Nader campaign so aptly demonstrated, the winner-take-all American electoral system makes the formation of a third party equally futile.


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This quote from this liberal idiot proves that Obama was elected by these jerks because of his race and the fact that he is getting a free ride because of his race as well.

Just as Krs One said:  "Obama is the black face on the NWO."

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 08:42:37 AM »
Well,we need the health care bill passed NOW!!!!!!!People are dying on the street because they have no health insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Lets just wait until after Obamas second run is over before we implement it,dam those dying idiots without health care,Obama has an election to worry about.What a sad sad joke on us.

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 08:45:08 AM »
Well,we need the health care bill passed NOW!!!!!!!People are dying on the street because they have no health insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Lets just wait until after Obamas second run is over before we implement it,dam those dying idiots without health care,Obama has an election to worry about.What a sad sad joke on us.

There is not even the most ardent knee-padders on this site who can spin the video I posted in this thread. 

Where is that black lady commentator who said Clarence Thomas' wfie should feed him more eggs when you need her?

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 09:14:07 AM »
I wasn't aware of any liberal posters on this board supporting health care reform in it's current state.  Can you list or show the ones who did? Otherwise it's more beating a dead horse sh*t from you 333. 
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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 09:19:26 AM »
I wasn't aware of any liberal posters on this board supporting health care reform in it's current state.  Can you list or show the ones who did? Otherwise it's more beating a dead horse sh*t from you 333. 
mons, benny, jag, 240 etc........... ;)

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 09:21:20 AM »
I wasn't aware of any liberal posters on this board supporting health care reform in it's current state.  Can you list or show the ones who did? Otherwise it's more beating a dead horse sh*t from you 333. 

Mons, Benny, Blacken etc.

Either way, its not beating a dead horse, this crap is horrific and a clear and present danger.

What - you want to discuss fox news or palin?

Thats more important to you?

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 09:22:54 AM »
I wasn't aware of any liberal posters on this board supporting health care reform in it's current state.  Can you list or show the ones who did? Otherwise it's more beating a dead horse sh*t from you 333. 

BTW - KC - can you please comment on the article and video I posted? 

Did Obama lie about the deliberations being on CSPAN? 

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 09:24:25 AM »
Mons, Benny, Blacken etc.

Either way, its not beating a dead horse, this crap is horrific and a clear and present danger.

What - you want to discuss fox news or palin?

Thats more important to you?

Why would i want to 'discuss' something that's already been discussed many many times? Same thing with Palin threads.  It's useless chatter with the exact same posts repeated over and over and over and over and over..... you get the picture.

Exactly where have Benny, Mons, 240 etc said they agree with this current reform? I wasn't aware any of them had even posted in the threads regarding it.  
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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 09:30:19 AM »
Why would i want to 'discuss' something that's already been discussed many many times? Same thing with Palin threads.  It's useless chatter with the exact same posts repeated over and over and over and over and over..... you get the picture.

Exactly where have Benny, Mons, 240 etc said they agree with this current reform? I wasn't aware any of them had even posted in the threads regarding it.  
LOL benny posts a thread once or twice a week about how he is happy about the progress of this bill...

and 240 butt plugs this shit more than anybody  ::)

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 09:54:12 AM »
LOL benny posts a thread once or twice a week about how he is happy about the progress of this bill...

and 240 butt plugs this shit more than anybody  ::)

and these threads would be where? as far as i've seen 240 hasn't supported this health care bill at all.  You seem to have some vendetta against him perhaps your own feelings toward him are blinding your sense of reason? Not surprising really.  You are a wingnut.
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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 11:11:49 AM »
and these threads would be where? as far as i've seen 240 hasn't supported this health care bill at all.  You seem to have some vendetta against him perhaps your own feelings toward him are blinding your sense of reason? Not surprising really.  You are a wingnut.
find benny and look up his last posts shouldnt be to long before you stumble upon a thread of his...

240 is a major league tool plain and simple but with that said I think he is a good dude all in all...

what exactly makes you think im a wingnut?

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2010, 11:21:45 AM »
find benny and look up his last posts shouldnt be to long before you stumble upon a thread of his...

240 is a major league tool plain and simple but with that said I think he is a good dude all in all...

what exactly makes you think im a wingnut?

I am a far right tea-party pro-2nd amendment, pro free speech, less govt advocate.  If that makes me part of the VRWC so be it. 

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2010, 12:16:13 PM »
i haven't even read this thread - and i've been very vocal I don't support this bill - and i have tony attacking me 3 times on it.  geez.  give it a break already.

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2010, 12:22:44 PM »
i haven't even read this thread - and i've been very vocal I don't support this bill - and i have tony attacking me 3 times on it.  geez.  give it a break already.

You are correct, you have not supported it.  240 - did you watch my clip on Obama promising CSPAN videos at least 8 times? 

How about his saying that the CSPAN videos would stop the congress from making dirty deals with the drug companies?  Can you really make this up anymore? 

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 12:40:58 PM »
oh yeah, obama is totally a snake politician rushing his bill thru before everyone digests it.  i didnt think anyone was denying that

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2010, 12:40:58 PM »
Completely innapropriate that the republicans are being shut out of this final process.  Doesn't everyone else have a problem with this?  These are elected leaders by the people and the majority party is shutting out the minority!

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2010, 12:48:52 PM »
Completely innapropriate that the republicans are being shut out of this final process.  Doesn't everyone else have a problem with this?  These are elected leaders by the people and the majority party is shutting out the minority!

To be honest i don't agree with this action.  But the Repubs brought this on themselves.  They did everything they possibly could to delay voting on this and to disrupt this. 
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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 12:53:48 PM »
House Democrats will probably have to give up on starting a new government insurance plan to compete with the private market, something that's a nonstarter with Senate moderates. In its place they hope for more generous subsidies for lower-income families to buy health insurance.

Great these idiots are going to squeeze the middle and upper middle class even more!  This is the socialist way, redistribute wealth.  Crucify everyone making more than $200K.  Marxists.

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2010, 12:55:31 PM »
The republicans are not free of fault, I agree...but this action is unacceptible.  Majorities should not be able to silence minorities...we should have learned this from our own history!

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2010, 12:58:27 PM »
The republicans are not free of fault, I agree...but this action is unacceptible.  Majorities should not be able to silence minorities...we should have learned this from our own history!

Reid/Pelosi/Obama know that if this is put on CSPAN, as obama promised 8 times,  that this will cause a massive revolt. 

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2010, 01:17:33 PM »
Completely innapropriate that the republicans are being shut out of this final process.  Doesn't everyone else have a problem with this?  These are elected leaders by the people and the majority party is shutting out the minority!

That is what many want.  I agree.

However, if my electric bill goes up 25% due to crap & tax, that directly affects me, the same with the purchasing power of my income that is being destroyed by virtue of the bailouts and spending.  

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Re: Obama: "Speed Things Up On Health & bypass usual negotiations."
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2010, 01:59:33 PM »
i haven't even read this thread - and i've been very vocal I don't support this bill - and i have tony attacking me 3 times on it.  geez.  give it a break already.
I havent attacked you but once in this thread and in that same sentence I said you were a good dude all in all  ::) try not to get so butt hurt its just the internet...

you do vocalize that you are not in favor of this bill but dont deny that you silver line, play devils advocate and draw moral equivalencies to bush and reps  ::)

face it 240 youve earned your rep on this board bro, Like I said your a good dude all in all but that doesnt mean you arent still a major league tool...sorry bro it is what it is. :-\