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Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady
Employers cut more jobs than expected in December, unemployment rate holds at 10 percent
By Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer , On Friday January 8, 2010, 8:53 am

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The economy lost more jobs than expected in December while the unemployment rate held steady at 10 percent, as a sluggish economic recovery has yet to revive hiring among the nation's employers.

The Labor Department said Friday that employers cut 85,000 jobs last month, worse than the 8,000 drop analysts expected.

A sharp drop in the labor force, a sign more of the jobless are giving up on their search for work, kept the unemployment rate at the same rate as in November. Once people stop looking for jobs, they are no longer counted among the unemployed.

When discouraged workers and part-time workers who would prefer full-time jobs are included, the so-called "underemployment" rate in December rose to 17.3 percent, from 17.2 percent in October. That's just below a revised figure of 17.4 percent in October, the highest on records dating from 1994.

Revisions to the previous two months' data showed the economy actually generated 4,000 jobs in November, the first gain in nearly two years. But the revisions showed it also lost 16,000 more jobs than previously estimated in October.

The report caps a disastrous year for U.S. workers. Employers cut 4.2 million jobs in 2009, and the unemployment rate averaged 9.3 percent. That's compared to an average of 5.8 percent in 2008 and 4.6 percent in 2007. The economy has lost more than 8 million jobs since the recession began in December 2007.

Most economists worry that 2010 won't be much better. Federal Reserve officials, in a meeting last month, anticipated that unemployment will decline "only gradually," according to minutes of the meeting released earlier this week. The Fed and most private economists expect the unemployment rate will remain above 9 percent through the end of this year.

If jobs remain scarce, consumer confidence and spending could flag, potentially slowing the economic recovery. Many analysts estimate the economy grew by 4 percent or more at an annual rate in the October-December quarter, after 2.2 percent growth in the third quarter.

But the economy will need to grow faster than that to bring down the unemployment rate. And the concern is that much of the recovery stems from temporary factors, such as government stimulus efforts and businesses rebuilding inventories.

Other figures from the government's report were mixed: the average work week remained unchanged at 33.2 hours, near October's record low of 33. Most economists hoped that would increase, as employers are likely to add hours for their current employees before hiring new workers.

On the positive side, there was a big jump in temporary hiring of 46,500, bringing the total increase in temporary employment to 166,000 since July. Companies also customarily bring on temporary workers before adding permanent ones.

Job losses remained widespread: manufacturing lost 27,000 jobs and construction shed 53,000, while retailers, the leisure and hospitality industries and government also cut workers.


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Unreal.  So the idiot public gets fed that the UE rate is staying at 10% while things are actually getting far worse?

What a scam the govt is running. 

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 06:25:58 AM »
They were expecting 8,000jobs lost and insread its 85,000 jobs lost.Ha,ha things are looking up.That stimulous is working like a charm.

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 06:31:08 AM »
They were expecting 8,000jobs lost and insread its 85,000 jobs lost.Ha,ha things are looking up.That stimulous is working like a charm.

They were off by a factor of 10 just like they were in the fraudulent Stimulus Bill that 240 and the others supported the same way that the cost of the DeathCare Bill will be off by a factor of 10. 

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 06:50:31 AM »
Guys - please understand the scam.  The real rate is 10.4% officially. 

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Unemp report worse than reported. 661,000 left the workforce last month. Had those 661,000 stayed in the workforce, the unemployment rate would have been reported as 10.4% and not 10%. Unemployed + discouraged is now @ 17.3%.

There are no incentives for business to hire. They have no visibility over inflation, materials costs, interest rates, and especially benefits costs and employment regulations. There is no clue what their effective tax rates will be in the long term and even in the short term. So when they do a net present value of a long-term project, they have to estimate inflation and taxes on the high side, which raises the bar for a go/no-go decision to very high levels. Everything else looks too risky.

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 07:55:36 AM »
Everytime the job numbers look bad the government comes up with a new way to calculate them so it looks better. Its s fucking joke, why anyone actually believes anything that comes out of DC is beyond me.
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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 09:26:24 AM »
Everytime the job numbers look bad the government comes up with a new way to calculate them so it looks better. Its s fucking joke, why anyone actually believes anything that comes out of DC is beyond me.

Its incredible.  The actual rate, using the govts own numbers is 10.5% yet they try to feed us these lies. 

Unreal. 

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 10:19:54 AM »
Its incredible.  The actual rate, using the govts own numbers is 10.5% yet they try to feed us these lies. 

Unreal. 

i'm tired of all the lies..

Every economic indicator is total bullshit...In example the CPI which excludes goods with volatile prices, such as food and energy..

it's laughable..


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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 10:54:25 AM »
I'm tired of the mistruths and empty promises as well.  The economy is still not good and unemployment very high.  That's after a shit load of federal spending.  This admin chose to create government jobs, fund government contract projects, bail out GM, bail out wall street, continue bailing out big banks (with Bush)...but ignored small businesses for the most part.  Their interventions have not been successful.

Perhaps the bailouts averted a banking crisis but it did not help small business or mainstreet.  We have high unemployment, a devalued dollar, mounting federal debt, slowly rising taxes and a larger, more intrusive government....bravo....

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 10:59:06 AM »
I'm tired of the mistruths and empty promises as well.  The economy is still not good and unemployment very high.  That's after a shit load of federal spending.  This admin chose to create government jobs, fund government contract projects, bail out GM, bail out wall street, continue bailing out big banks (with Bush)...but ignored small businesses for the most part.  Their interventions have not been successful.

Perhaps the bailouts averted a banking crisis but it did not help small business or mainstreet.  We have high unemployment, a devalued dollar, mounting federal debt, slowly rising taxes and a larger, more intrusive government....bravo....

My personal belief, as Schiff always says, is that we need to bottom out like a drug addict or alchi, and find out what our true base is and start from there, whatever the hell it is. 

These phoney numbers, the lies, the manipulations, the spin, are adding to the confusion of people. 


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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 11:51:51 AM »
And as you said, 10% is a lie too.  They play with #s and exclusions.  The real # is probably 15-17%.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »
And as you said, 10% is a lie too.  They play with #s and exclusions.  The real # is probably 15-17%.

Until we have an ounce of honesty in this mess, nothing will change since people are being lulled into lies. 

I point you to the thread with Blumenthal that James posted.  BF's posts are exactly what I am talking about as to why we are totally screwed.  With people voting on the most idiotic lies, where do we go?

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Re: Economy loses 85K jobs, unemployment rate steady (Check out this scam)
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 12:19:01 PM »
And as you said, 10% is a lie too.  They play with #s and exclusions.  The real # is probably 15-17%.

The real unemployment rate as of April 2009 was about 17.25% according to the Bureau of labor stats. I'd imagine it's much higher right now..