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Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?
« on: January 09, 2010, 08:16:16 PM »
Since I feel that I am hovering on being put back in Time Out for another eight months by Ron on here I want to point out that I will not link to my website in a spamming fashion.  I am going to go very easy on posting links, if any at all - more than likely I will not post any links.

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I hit a max PR for deadlift today - 445.  I worked my way up but I felt I could have lifted more.  I am thinking about trying 455 next week.  The goal is to reach 500+ during 2010.  I am consuming no supplements right now other than the occasional sample.  I use chalk and a belt and a mixed grip [right over, left under].  My body weight is 179 in light gym clothes and light shoes, very soon after waking [within an hour or so].

Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?  ???

Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 08:26:53 PM »
You can do partial rack lockouts on the power rack once every 3 weeks or so. Set the pins so the bar is just 4 - 5 inches below your knees and add a couple of plates each side, cause it's a partial movement and you can lift more than a full ROM deadlift. That will get your body and mind accustomed to the heavier weight. You can even hold at the top for 3 - 5 seconds, which really makes your traps grow. Use a weight that makes you fail at the 4 - 6 rep range.

And every time you deadlift, do one set off the pins, so you're not grabbing the bar all the way from the floor (which is the sticking point for most people). You can probably do 500 for a couple of reps or at least for a slow negative this way. This will also help. Throw in some good mornings and make sure you train your abs and legs hard, cause they help with the lift too.

And finally, don't use a mixed grip all the time. Most powerlifters train with a normal overhand grip and use a mixed grip only a few weeks out of a meet, so they can do it on the day. Use straps too, cause your back is much bigger than your arms and you should never let your arm / grip strength limit your weight.

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2010, 08:28:27 PM »
I have found that the best way to improve deadlift strength is to simply stop doing them for a while. I think that the Deadlift is more dependent on your CNS then probably any other lift.

I remember one time I was pushing myself hard every week to improve my dead... and I came down with a sickness...putting me out of the gym for about two weeks...and after two weeks, I was feeling a little better, (but still not 100%,) and my strength skyrocketed on that movement, while the rest of my lifts went down a bit...

Try cutting out deads for couple of weeks, but keep training hard in other movements, take two days off before maxing out again, and see if that helps...

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 08:31:09 PM »
Gain 15 pounds and you'll be deadlifting 500 x 5.

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2010, 08:33:40 PM »
If you want sensible advice you would desist from doing heavy singles. The movement is a dangerous one. Don't do deadlifts! You prove nothing. Spend your time building your arms. They will tell others you are strong.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 08:37:12 PM »
If you want sensible advice you would desist from doing heavy singles. The movement is a dangerous one. Don't do deadlifts! You prove nothing. Spend your time building your arms. They will tell others you are strong.

Hope this helps.


Don't do deadlifts?? No other exercise, outside of power cleans, works as many muscle groups as the deadlift, and is arguably the best way to hit the traps as well. It is really an indespinsable lift to a bodybuilder, if done correctly.

That said...doing singles is silly, unless you are prepping for powerlifting.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 08:46:57 PM »
I hit a max PR for deadlift today - 445.  I worked my way up but I felt I could have lifted more.  I am thinking about trying 455 next week.  The goal is to reach 500+ during 2010.  I am consuming no supplements right now other than the occasional sample.  I use chalk and a belt and a mixed grip [right over, left under].  My body weight is 179 in light gym clothes and light shoes, very soon after waking [within an hour or so].

Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?  ???

Discuss.

Nobody gives a rats ass how much you can dead lift.. why do you care? I’ve seen your vids, you are not built to handle heavy weight. I’m surprised you haven’t seriously injured yourself.

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 08:50:05 PM »
Don't do deadlifts?? No other exercise, outside of power cleans, works as many muscle groups as the deadlift, and is arguably the best way to hit the traps as well. It is really an indespinsable lift to a bodybuilder, if done correctly.

That said...doing singles is silly, unless you are prepping for powerlifting.

I agree. Guys who deadlift look / are stronger and thicker. And the added strength and muscle carry over and benefit your other lifts too.

Singles are fine if you do them once in a while and are feeling strong. But the risk factor goes up considerably, so don't do them all the time unless you're powerlifting. I think doing singles 3 or 4 times a year is alright (but not necessary).

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 09:01:11 PM »
Great stuff guys!!

Gain 15 pounds and you'll be deadlifting 500 x 5.

I have been told this before.  Someone said if I even put on 25 pounds of fat and got up to 200 or so I would be able to do it.  Is that true?  It would make sense given that powerlifters obviously have builds optimal to strength and they are very often [perhaps most of the time], muscular/fat.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 09:04:48 PM »
I agree. Guys who deadlift look / are stronger and thicker. And the added strength and muscle carry over and benefit your other lifts too.

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I don't know  ,MattC has been deadlifting heavy for years and he looks  average at best .




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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
I don't know  ,MattC has been deadlifting heavy for years and he looks  average at best .





He'd be smaller and weaker if he didn't. Not by a huge margin, but still...

I attribute most of my back development to deadlifts.

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Re: Message to getbig from Matt C.
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 09:10:31 PM »
I like deadlifts.
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Re: Message to getbig from Matt C.
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 09:10:51 PM »
You can do partial rack lockouts on the power rack once every 3 weeks or so. Set the pins so the bar is just 4 - 5 inches below your knees and add a couple of plates each side, cause it's a partial movement and you can lift more than a full ROM deadlift. That will get your body and mind accustomed to the heavier weight. You can even hold at the top for 3 - 5 seconds, which really makes your traps grow. Use a weight that makes you fail at the 4 - 6 rep range.

And every time you deadlift, do one set off the pins, so you're not grabbing the bar all the way from the floor (which is the sticking point for most people). You can probably do 500 for a couple of reps or at least for a slow negative this way. This will also help. Throw in some good mornings and make sure you train your abs and legs hard, cause they help with the lift too.

And finally, don't use a mixed grip all the time. Most powerlifters train with a normal overhand grip and use a mixed grip only a few weeks out of a meet, so they can do it on the day. Use straps too, cause your back is much bigger than your arms and you should never let your arm / grip strength limit your weight.

Spot on. How you doin' old friend?

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 09:17:30 PM »
deadlifts are more of a leg movement and LOWER back movement than anything else. 

its like doing a squat with the bar in your hands down low...or at least it should be if your doign it correctly.  i LIKE deadlifts, but my back gets sore from doing them and keeps me from squatting, so i dont do them anymore.  Squat is king.

Is that you in your avatar? I seem to remember you stalking me like a troll a while back, and I always assumed you were one of the Y board dudes just fucking with me LOL

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 09:28:11 PM »
Spot on. How you doin' old friend?

Not bad, thanks bro. Good to see you still bringing the heat on noobs ;D

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2010, 09:32:10 PM »
I don't know  ,MattC has been deadlifting heavy for years and he looks  average at best .

bodybuilding is all genetic. what he needs is a healthy dose of testosterone.

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Re: Message to getbig from Matt C.
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2010, 09:45:23 PM »

 Use straps too, cause your back is much bigger than your arms and you should never let your arm / grip strength limit your weight.
Don't use straps, use chalk.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2010, 10:12:35 PM »
I agree. Guys who deadlift look / are stronger and thicker. And the added strength and muscle carry over and benefit your other lifts too.


+1, I feel heavy deads can take you to a whole other level.. it was always the case with me and anyone else I have known who did them religiously.  however I do disagree on the singles as I feel the risk of injury is too great for any perceived added benefit.  I have always kept them in roughly the 4-6 rep range on working sets.

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2010, 10:18:47 PM »
Don't use straps, use chalk.

I use chalk, but can't lift my max weight for the same number of reps as I can when I use straps. I only use straps for a couple of exercises on back day (bent over rows and deadlifts).

I can't do rack lockouts without straps, lol - the bar won't budge with 7 or 8 plates a side ;D

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2010, 10:34:37 PM »
You can do partial rack lockouts on the power rack once every 3 weeks or so. Set the pins so the bar is just 4 - 5 inches below your knees and add a couple of plates each side, cause it's a partial movement and you can lift more than a full ROM deadlift. That will get your body and mind accustomed to the heavier weight. You can even hold at the top for 3 - 5 seconds, which really makes your traps grow. Use a weight that makes you fail at the 4 - 6 rep range.

And every time you deadlift, do one set off the pins, so you're not grabbing the bar all the way from the floor (which is the sticking point for most people). You can probably do 500 for a couple of reps or at least for a slow negative this way. This will also help. Throw in some good mornings and make sure you train your abs and legs hard, cause they help with the lift too.

And finally, don't use a mixed grip all the time. Most powerlifters train with a normal overhand grip and use a mixed grip only a few weeks out of a meet, so they can do it on the day. Use straps too, cause your back is much bigger than your arms and you should never let your arm / grip strength limit your weight.
Great advice here and from topskin69

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Re: Message to getbig from Matt C.
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 10:50:15 PM »
i dont even know who you are.  and i dont visit the Y board.  must have me confused with someone else.  i dont have any other handles on here.  

Just dug up this PM from you. There are a few more like it. Anyway, the past is the past. Even though you wish me death, I hope you have a good life (as good as living with AIDS can be). 8)

fuck you queer.  i think you are a piece of shit.  if i ever meet you, i will jam a fork down your throat.  and you can count on that cum sucking leech

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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2010, 12:09:38 AM »
Nobody gives a rats ass how much you can dead lift.. why do you care? I’ve seen your vids, you are not built to handle heavy weight. I’m surprised you haven’t seriously injured yourself.

Yes, some of the lifts I performed before were stupid.  Having said that, when I did 445 today it was after an extensive warmup, where I went from lifting the empty bar to 315 and then did singles with 405 and 425 before doing 445.  I was adequately prepared for the lift.  In fact, my entire workout prior to my maximum single was essentially a warmup.  Aside from that, I feel I could have done 460, so even my one rep max is not truly what I can do for only one rep.

I don't know  ,MattC has been deadlifting heavy for years and he looks  average at best .

Very true.  I also feel that I will hit 500 and still weigh 175.

bodybuilding is all genetic. what he needs is a healthy dose of testosterone.

Also totally true.  I've realized that now and accepted it.  I feel sorry for people who think bodybuilding is just about "hard work" when they are bounded by the parameters of their genetics.  :-\
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Re: Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?
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ummmm not that I went out of my way to look,....

but do you have the smallest penis ever?




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Re: Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2010, 12:17:55 AM »
Since I feel that I am hovering on being put back in Time Out for another eight months by Ron on here I want to point out that I will not link to my website in a spamming fashion.  I am going to go very easy on posting links, if any at all - more than likely I will not post any links.

Also, no hard feelings to Tim and Vince.  I think Tim has a great physique for his age [or any age] and Vince is a very interesting character to have around.

I hit a max PR for deadlift today - 445.  I worked my way up but I felt I could have lifted more.  I am thinking about trying 455 next week.  The goal is to reach 500+ during 2010.  I am consuming no supplements right now other than the occasional sample.  I use chalk and a belt and a mixed grip [right over, left under].  My body weight is 179 in light gym clothes and light shoes, very soon after waking [within an hour or so].

Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?  ???

Discuss.

Just use straps every now and then while doing deadlifts. Don't use them in any other exercise. Doing so you will maintain the grip, but add strength to you deadlift. If you have to show off, you can lift your max without straps anyway, because of that adrenaline rush what you get out of that.

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Re: Does anyone have any advice on how I can improve this lift?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2010, 12:18:49 AM »
Since I feel that I am hovering on being put back in Time Out for another eight months by Ron on here I want to point out that I will not link to my website in a spamming fashion.  I am going to go very easy on posting links, if any at all - more than likely I will not post any links.

I don't know you and have only glanced at your site.

But I do know a thing about using other's sites for your own gain.

I don't know what you are unsure about.

Your site link is obviously censored in the custom title below your name, and you circumventing it in your signature by using the masked "tiny" URL.

Clearly you are on Ron's radar, yet you are trying to fly in under it. Why?