Obama Believes 'Liberal Angst' Over Healthcare Will Go Away. (What a POFS!)

[240 is Back]

shit man, sorry, i skimmed past the posts with numbers so that i could finish my argument with 33, i'm not dodging it, i just couldn't get to pc...

i dont think healthcare backlash/pissed off libs will have a meaningful effect on 2012.  2010 maybe.  But everybody on both side forgets what they hate about their own guy, cause they hate the other party's guy worse.

[240 is Back]

based on the last 3 presidential elections, do you think either side can afford to lose even 5%?

If Obama lost 5% of his vote, he would lose, yes.... well actually it depends where that 5% went.  if a tea party candidate stole 5% of obama's 53% from 2008... he'd still be at 48%... and mccain only got 46% last time.

[Soul Crusher]

shit man, sorry, i skimmed past the posts with numbers so that i could finish my argument with 33, i'm not dodging it, i just couldn't get to pc...

i dont think healthcare backlash/pissed off libs will have a meaningful effect on 2012.  2010 maybe.  But everybody on both side forgets what they hate about their own guy, cause they hate the other party's guy worse.

They will forget about Health Care because there will be far worse and even more pressing outrages to deal with from this admn.

BTW 240 - Obama is destroying the dollar not saving it.  

[240 is Back]

it's gray areas.

without the stim bill and tarp, what would the DOW be today?  Where would our 401k's be?  Would China have dumped the dollar?  Would we be at war?  Would Bush have declared martial law as threatened?  Without a reliable currency, where would UE be?

I can't answer these things, can you?

[Soul Crusher]

it's gray areas.

without the stim bill and tarp, what would the DOW be today?  Where would our 401k's be?  Would China have dumped the dollar?  Would we be at war?  Would Bush have declared martial law as threatened?  Without a reliable currency, where would UE be?

I can't answer these things, can you?

That is why you and I are different.  You buy into those scare tacicts from Obama, I d'ont.

Thats like saying its ok if someones KTF'os you and then Hugo comes along and says - "at least he didnt shoot you."   You then say "Yeah, I guess he was right at least I'm not dead."

Come on 240 - do some damn research on these issues.     

[240 is Back]

actually it wasn't obama that threatened Republicans with martial law if the bill didn't pass.

And i think the dollar/economy would have been damaged worse if automakers had failed.  if banks had failed.  if all insurance companies failed.

[Soul Crusher]

actually it wasn't obama that threatened Republicans with martial law if the bill didn't pass.

And i think the dollar/economy would have been damaged worse if automakers had failed.  if banks had failed.  if all insurance companies failed.

I never favored TARP - Bush/Obama Geitner/Paulson did. 

[240 is Back]

most of both parties favored tarp.  You (more than anyone) knows the white house occupant just follows marching orders.  mccain would have done the same.  it was one of those unavoidable things. 

when the cops, bank tellers, bank ceo, and bank robbers all want there to be a robbery, it doesn't matter how much the customers in the lobby doth protest

[Soul Crusher]

most of both parties favored tarp.  You (more than anyone) knows the white house occupant just follows marching orders.  mccain would have done the same.  it was one of those unavoidable things. 

when the cops, bank tellers, bank ceo, and bank robbers all want there to be a robbery, it doesn't matter how much the customers in the lobby doth protest

Not true!  Remember the house GOP did not go for it and first vote failed? 

[240 is Back]

then, what happened?

the bank tellers were all told they'd get $100 cash to just go along with teh robbery.

Well, they added pork to keep each house member happy...

[Soul Crusher]

most of both parties favored tarp.  You (more than anyone) knows the white house occupant just follows marching orders.  mccain would have done the same.  it was one of those unavoidable things. 

when the cops, bank tellers, bank ceo, and bank robbers all want there to be a robbery, it doesn't matter how much the customers in the lobby doth protest

50 posts to go 240!

[Hugo Chavez]

it's gray areas.

without the stim bill and tarp, what would the DOW be today?  Where would our 401k's be?  Would China have dumped the dollar?  Would we be at war?  Would Bush have declared martial law as threatened?  Without a reliable currency, where would UE be?

I can't answer these things, can you?

Yea I can answer some of those things but again, that's not what's important.  It's a diversion at best.  Will Obama lose somewhere around 5% for a year of progressives being spat on?  I would say that's a conservative estimate lol....  It could be worse knowing the libs I know.

Like I also said earlier, the only way Obama gets away with this crap is if he's running against an extreme.  Then that makes one ask, how did he know he could get away with these things now?  If not for preordained assurances?

[Soul Crusher]

Yea I can answer some of those things but again, that's not what's important.  It's a diversion at best.  Will Obama lose somewhere around 5% for a year of progressives being spat on?  I would say that's a conservative estimate lol....  It could be worse knowing the libs I know.

Like I also said earlier, the only way Obama gets away with this crap is if he's running against an extreme.  Then that makes one ask, how did he know he could get away with these things now?  If not for preordained assurances?

If the base volunteers for him again, shame on them and they are no different than the worst of the Bushbots.   

[240 is Back]

no way O gets the turnout in 12 that he got in 08.  I mean, people were voting against bush, waiting in lines a mile long in georgia, 2 weeks before the election!

But healthcare is gonna be history by then.  so much shit could happen in 3 years.  this healthcare bill will not be a huge thing then. 

Hell, once american idol's new season starts tomorrow, it'll be old news

[Hugo Chavez]

no way O gets the turnout in 12 that he got in 08.  I mean, people were voting against bush, waiting in lines a mile long in georgia, 2 weeks before the election!

But healthcare is gonna be history by then.  so much shit could happen in 3 years.  this healthcare bill will not be a huge thing then. 

Hell, once american idol's new season starts tomorrow, it'll be old news

well yea, no doubt.  3 years.  But if Obama doesn't think he's got ground to make up with his base and they'll just "fogetaboutit" fuck that, ain't happening bubba.  Now if he makes up the difference in 3 years, that's all up to him.  I won't hold my breath based on this first year lol......  Yea and keep in mind, once you've been imbedded in the mind as a jackass, you have even more ground to make up beyond what you fucked people over on.

[Soul Crusher]

no way O gets the turnout in 12 that he got in 08.  I mean, people were voting against bush, waiting in lines a mile long in georgia, 2 weeks before the election!

But healthcare is gonna be history by then.  so much shit could happen in 3 years.  this healthcare bill will not be a huge thing then. 

Hell, once american idol's new season starts tomorrow, it'll be old news

Not when their boss hands them a pink slip because the costs of DeathCare are too expensive and these people are left begging for Wendy's jobs.  

Not when 12 million illegals get amnesty or their electric bill goes up 25%.  

You dont it 240 and have.  Obama is not clinton.  He is a true believer in the NWO serf state and guess what 240 - Obama and these overlords want you as a serf and nothing else.  

If you dont understand that, well, thats your problem.  BTW - so far who is right about the Stim Bill almost one year later you or me? 

[Hugo Chavez]

If the base volunteers for him again, shame on them and they are no different than the worst of the Bushbots.   

could you please please please tailor you replies to the post you're quoting better.  If it's an independent thought as it is so often with you, just post it without quoting.  You don't need to quote someone to say something unless it a direct response... Thanks.

[240 is Back]

i still dont know who was right about the stim bill... i still think bush would have pulled some evil shit to get tarp, and i still think the big 3 automakers would be the small 1 today without stim.

[Soul Crusher]

i still dont know who was right about the stim bill... i still think bush would have pulled some evil shit to get tarp, and i still think the big 3 automakers would be the small 1 today without stim.

Bullmotherfuckingshit 240.

In February 2009 you spent weeks shilling for that fraud claiming it would create 4 million jobs, shovel ready jobs, etc. etc etc.

     

[240 is Back]

Remember that once they got the stim $, you had a lot of REPUBLICAN governors bragging about all the jobs they were creating in their states with that money.

Were Bobby Jindal and Tim pawnlenty lying when they said they had just created new jobs in their state with Obama's stim $? 

Now true - a lot MORE jobs have been lost.  But to argue zero jobs were created -when we have Bobby Jindal holding a "jobs jobs jobs!" festival with the money - makes no sense.

[Soul Crusher]

Remember that once they got the stim $, you had a lot of REPUBLICAN governors bragging about all the jobs they were creating in their states with that money.

Were Bobby Jindal and Tim pawnlenty lying when they said they had just created new jobs in their state with Obama's stim $? 

Now true - a lot MORE jobs have been lost.  But to argue zero jobs were created -when we have Bobby Jindal holding a "jobs jobs jobs!" festival with the money - makes no sense.

Oh please bro give it up. 

[tonymctones]

LOL 240 admiring politicians for playing the game 

the should be condemned for playing the game not given props you fuktard...

I knew you were an idiot just didnt know how big of one, apparently I gave you to much credit...

LOL and hugo whats wrong with rivers?

the whole cutler thing with him?

Chargers take the shitty ass jets(who shouldnt even be in the playoffs) and play the ravens I think.

[Soul Crusher]

LOL 240 admiring politicians for playing the game 

the should be condemned for playing the game not given props you fuktard...

I knew you were an idiot just didnt know how big of one, apparently I gave you to much credit...

LOL and hugo whats wrong with rivers?

the whole cutler thing with him?

Chargers take the shitty ass jets(who shouldnt even be in the playoffs) and play the ravens I think.

How about 240 calling himself a "Libertarian"? 

[tonymctones]

How about 240 calling himself a "Libertarian"? 

LOL when i first started posting here he told ppl he was a republican, now he is a libertarian by 2012 he will be a liberal 

[240 is Back]

33, I'm saying we've lost a ton of jobs.

But I'm also agreeing with pawlenty and jindal that SOME jobs were indeed created.