just a reminder ...

[wavelength]

nope

just calling you as you are my friend

if you say so

[WingedLion]

if you say so

you know you ain't what you say

post a pic with a sign for me and I'll apologize

[pellius]

powders loose the necesary enzymes

there is absolutely no comparison between red fresh meat and a powder when it comes to building muscle and blood

Coming from a true expert on how to build muscle and "blood."

[kiwiol]

Fish oil capsules, Multi vitamin & mineral tablets, Glucosamine Condroitin, I would not necessarily call bodybuilding supplements (for improving body composition). Protein powder is a food replacement. Creatine I agree with, NO supps not.

What is in Animal Pak?

You say "NO supps not". Have you tried them at all?

I have and they're OK for a pre-workout boost. I've had other people say the same, although the response seems to vary like most things.

L Glutamine is good too, although you have to take around 20 g of it everyday to feel the difference and that makes it fairly expensive.

Not sure what's in Animal Pak. A mate of mine is a distributor and he sold me a couple of those for a low price. I did notice some improved recovery and a little increase in strength, but didn't continue using it cause I didn't think it was worth the cost (~ $120 / month).

[wavelength]

you know you ain't what you say

post a pic with a sign for me and I'll apologize

I don't understand, you don't believe it's me in the pics I posted?

[WingedLion]

I don't understand, you don't believe it's me in the pics I posted?

I do not believe you got ripped the way you desribed it

the whole "scientific" argument does not hold water for me ...and we debated this long enough

post your pic holding a sign for me and I'll oficially apologize for everything I said in the past on the main board

deal ?

[wavelength]

You say "NO supps not". Have you tried them at all?

I've tried them and they're OK for a pre-workout boost. I've had other people say the same, although the response seems to vary like most things.

L Glutamine is good too, although you have to take around 20 g of it everyday to feel the difference and that makes it fairly expensive.

I've tried a few NO supps (obviously not all of them). Couldn't detect a difference for body composition. But more importantly, I don't know of any studies proving such a difference. Same with L-Glutamine (on top of adequate protein intake). If you say you did detect a difference, it's hard to argue against that of course.

[pellius]

I don't understand, you don't believe it's me in the pics I posted?

Wave, don't even bother with this low life. He's a weak minded moron who has been brain washed by an admitted child molester leading some obscure cult that nobody cares about except for hollow, vapid, lost souls looking for someone to tell them what to do.

He's nowhere near your level and not to be bother with.

[WillGrant]

I've tried a few NO supps (obviously not all of them). Couldn't detect a difference for body composition. But more importantly, I don't know of any studies proving such a difference. Same with L-Glutamine (on top of adequate protein intake). If you say you did detect a difference, it's hard to argue against that of course.

I think with the pre workout stuff it helps you to train harder which in turn should stimulate more lean tissue if you are taking in quality and correct nutrients etc.

Taking them on there own and not training wont effect body comp only drugs do this.

Glutamine I found helps when dieting , you dont feel run down but as kiwi said dose needed makes it pricey.

[wavelength]

I do not believe you got ripped the way you desribed it

the whole "scientific" argument does not hold water for me ...and we debated this long enough

post your pic holding a sign for me and I'll oficially apologize for everything I said in the past on the main board

deal ?

But what would holding up a sign prove?
What should the sign say?

[pellius]

But what would holding up a sign prove?
What should the sign say?

Don't bother. If you go back and peruse his past posts you will realize he's a delusional attention whore with a dark soul.

He's far, far, beneath you.

[WingedLion]

But what would holding up a sign prove?
What should the sign say?

you know ...

you , your face .. " I own winged lyon " or whatever

[kiwiol]

I think with the pre workout stuff it helps you to train harder which in turn should stimulate more lean tissue if you are taking in quality and correct nutrients etc.

Taking them on there own and not training wont effect body comp only drugs do this.

Glutamine I found helps when dieting , you dont feel run down but as kiwi said dose needed makes it pricey.

Spot on, esp. with the pre workout stuff helping you to lift harder. That's getting your money's worth as far as I'm concerned.

[Mr Nobody]

I think with the pre workout stuff it helps you to train harder which in turn should stimulate more lean tissue if you are taking in quality and correct nutrients etc.

Taking them on there own and not training wont effect body comp only drugs do this.

Glutamine I found helps when dieting , you dont feel run down but as kiwi said dose needed makes it pricey.

X2

[WillGrant]

Spot on, esp. with the pre workout stuff helping you to lift harder. That's getting your money's worth as far as I'm concerned.

x2 Anything that can give you a bit extra zing in the gym is well worth it..theres some quality stuff out there that does exactly the same as the overhyped/priced stuff like muscletech,BSN etc and doesnt break the bank account to much.

[WingedLion]

x2 Anything that can give you a bit extra zing in the gym is well worth it..theres some quality stuff out there that does exactly the same as the overhyped/priced stuff like muscletech,BSN etc and doesnt break the bank account to much.

IMHO you can add 200 mg caffeine to dextrose and you'll be like : " this shit rocks preworkout !! "

[MORTALCOIL]

Most supplements are considered effective by people who either don't have acces to proper food or just like to eat junk all the time better than eating the required healthy stuff you need to get those vitamins and minerals. Glutamine, creatine and the few other stuff that work are just like protein powder: it's easier and faster to get as a supplement than to get through normal nutrition but most likely less efficient. Supp companies prosper on the fact that nobody wants to manage the headache of eating accordingly to their needs.

[wavelength]

you know ...

you , your face .. " I own winged lyon " or whatever

Ah I see.

Not gonna happen, I won't reveal my identity.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Coming from a true expert on how to build muscle and "blood."

x2

[wavelength]

I think with the pre workout stuff it helps you to train harder which in turn should stimulate more lean tissue if you are taking in quality and correct nutrients etc.

Taking them on there own and not training wont effect body comp only drugs do this.

Glutamine I found helps when dieting , you dont feel run down but as kiwi said dose needed makes it pricey.

I also experienced the stimulation, probably mostly because of the caffeine. I didn't lift more weight because of it though. Additional glutamine never did anything for me.

[Van_Bilderass]

like ingesting a scoop of 24 grams of "proteins" equals ingesting 24 grams of proteins coming from steack, chicken, tuna, eggs....

Once the amino acids are in your blood stream what's the difference? And if you for example bought whole egg powder (which is available) what's the difference? If you think casein or whey protein powder doesn't "work" then you're saying milk doesn't "work".

In some settings isolated amino acids are more efficient than whole foods. They are used as foods in hospital setting. As are MRPs made with whey, hydrolyzed collagen, etc.

They are food. They will provide protein and the protein will do what protein does. This is not to say meat for example doesn't contain important and beneficial nutrients not found in milk byproducts.

[CalvinH]

Don't bother. If you go back and peruse his past posts you will realize he's a delusional attention whore with a dark soul.

He's far, far, beneath you.

You do know that everytime you chase sev around this board and post about him that he's laughing don't you

[pellius]

You do know that everytime you chase sev around this board and post about him that he's laughing don't you

Nope. Not even close. He usually puts up a brief fight and then runs aways to start another thread. Easily confirmed by the feed back. He's a fraud and 95% of the board realizes it.

Actually, every time you stick up for him I'm laughing at you.

[saopl]

I also experienced the stimulation, probably mostly because of the caffeine. I didn't lift more weight because of it though. Additional glutamine never did anything for me.

ditto

doesn't make me lift more, I'm just wired as fuck as if i had just done 3-4 lines.

[CalvinH]

Nope. Not even close. He usually puts up a brief fight and then runs aways to start another thread. Easily confirmed by the feed back. He's a fraud and 95% of the board realizes it.

Actually, every time you stick up for him I'm laughing at you.

Try to pay attention here pennyless.what I'm trying to tell your sunburned brain is that he does it on purpose to get a reaction.
he posts,you react.

remember when you got your panties in a bunch when all the Y boarders were picking on you
when you let it slide and posted your pics with the funny comments they all left you alone.
well my lizard skin friend try that again.



....Dammit now you made me make a post as long as yours