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Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« on: January 18, 2010, 08:40:54 PM »
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Strikeforce President Scott Coker recently put the MMA world on notice:

Fedor Emelianenko will return for his sophomore Strikeforce effort in April on their “Saturday Night Fights” primetime extravaganza on CBS.

His opponent with be exiled UFC fighter Fabrico Werdum. Werdum made his Strikeforce debut on the same fight card as Fedor, his antagonist on that November evening was the hard-hitting Antonio “Bigfoot” Siva.

Werdum’s showing was impressive in that he would go on to neutralize the acerbic striking of Silva and pull off the decision win. But it certainly wasn’t the kind of act which left anyone believing he can upend the greatest mixed martial artist of all time.

Since most fans will scoff at the suggestion that Werdum is a threat to Fedor’s supremacy,what interesting speculation can we attach to this fight?

How about the notion that Fedor Emelianenko can submit Fabrico Werdum.

To fully digest the statement, you have to appreciate the grappling prowess of both fighters.

Sixteen of Fedor’s thirty-one wins have come via submission. One only has to experience his fight with Kevin Randleman to gain an appreciation for this stoic Russian’s technique.

Werdum is no slouch on the ground himself; the Brazilian is a two-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion, a two-time ADCC world heavyweight champion and European Jiu-Jitsu champion.

It is safe to assume that if either of these two got into a street fight, their victim would be going home with their limb seperated from the rest of his body. Fedor might just put a hole in their face if he didn’t feel like dirtying up his favorite sweater (pictured above).

Back to the question at hand, could the baddest man on the planet do what no MMA fighter has done thus far and submit Fabrico Werdum?

Let’s go back in time and look for any incriminating evidence.

Exhibit A: Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira—only the second greatest MMA heavyweight in the sport next to you know who,also one of the greatest BJJ artists to boot.

Both Fedor and Fabrico locked horns with the legend; Fedor twice, with all three fights taking place under the PRIDE banner (Fedor actually fought Nogueira three times, but one ended in a no contest—accidental head butt). All three of those fights also ended in a no decision, with no man able to sink in a submission.

It is worth pointing out that Nogueira was in his prime when Fedor took him on; also Nogueira has not been submitted in 39 MMA fights. Werdum is up to 18 fights without a submission, it is unknown whether or not he is in his prime.

Exhibit B: Werdum’s BJJ — Werdum’s MMA resume is littered with submission victories but two jump out. His Arm Triangle Choke over Aleksander Emelianenko, Fedor’s brother, and his Kimura over current Strikeforce Champion Alistair Overeem.

Aleksander is a very good MMA fighter is his own right, with his only other submission loss coming to Josh Barnett and Overeem has only been submitted once in his 43 fight career, the Kimura loss to Werdum.

While this shows off Werdum’s BJJ offense more then his defense, it nonetheless shows off his superb skill set. If Fedor is to submit Werdum, it won't be early. It will have to be after battering him, since every punch to the face drops your belt level down a peg.

Exhibit C: Game plan— Beyond looking at past fights, from the game plan perspective, it is unlikely Fedor will want to engage Werdum in a grappling match. It is much more likely he will want to keep the fight standing and look for the dramatic knockout.

It would seem the only way this fight even finds its way to the ground, is if Werdum somehow pulls guard or Fedor floors his opponent with a strike, decides to be adventurous, and goes for the mount.

So while Fedor submitting Werdum is unlikely, it is something worth pondering to keep your interest levels elevated;or even more far-fetched, could Werdum submit Fedor? 

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 10:14:51 AM »
I will admit Werdum is improving his MMA game.

Is anyone really excited for this fight???

Either way, good for Fedor. He has one more UFC reject to add to his padded record.

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 11:37:19 AM »
Werdum is as legit an opponent as anyone the UFC can offer Fedor except for Brock.

He beat Gonzaga, he beat Silva, he has fights against guys like Dos Santos and Arlovski-- he has a world class ground game and a legit track record.

Do I think he will win? No.

Will I watch anyway? Yes.

All this is leading to is a showdown between Fedor and Overeem sometime during the summer.

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 11:55:26 AM »
Werdum is as legit an opponent as anyone the UFC can offer Fedor except for Brock.

He beat Gonzaga, he beat Silva, he has fights against guys like Dos Santos and Arlovski-- he has a world class ground game and a legit track record.

Do I think he will win? No.

Will I watch anyway? Yes.

All this is leading to is a showdown between Fedor and Overeem sometime during the summer.

Overeem and Feor would be a decent fight. The UFC has multiple people that would be a 'more exciting' and 'intriguing' match-up.
Not trying to start a war...but this is exactly why Fedor needs to get to the UFC. He deserves better than Werdum.
Not saying the UFC necessarily has better talent, but a lot more entertaining match-ups.


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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 02:08:56 PM »
I will admit Werdum is improving his MMA game.

Is anyone really excited for this fight???

Either way, good for Fedor. He has one more UFC reject to add to his padded record.

Verdum is yet one more can for Fedor.  You're right, he is a UFC reject...
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 02:39:47 PM »
Fedor fans please enlighten me...how does this fight defend his #1 status?


How does this record deserve a title shot against "the #1HW in the world."
Here are his recent Fights. He even lost to Dos Santos and Arvloski. The only win on here that is decent is Gonzaga. Who by the
way got demolished by Couture.

 Win      Antonio Silva      Decision (Unanimous)      Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers      11/7/2009     3     5:00
 Win    Mike Kyle    Submission (Guillotine Choke)    Strikeforce - Carano vs. Cyborg    8/15/2009    1    1:24
 Loss    Junior dos Santos    TKO (Punches)    UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote    10/25/2008    1    1:21
 Win    Brandon Vera    TKO (Punches)    UFC 85 - Bedlam    6/7/2008    1    4:40
 Win    Gabriel Gonzaga    TKO (Punches)    UFC 80 - Rapid Fire    1/19/2008    2    4:34
 Loss    Andrei Arlovski    Decision (Unanimous)    UFC 70 - Nations Collide    4/21/2007    3    5:00
 Win    Aleksander Emelianenko    Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)    2H2H - Pride & Honor    11/12/2006    1    3:24
 Loss    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Unanimous)    PRIDE - Critical Countdown Absolute    7/1/2006    3    5:00

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 04:05:17 PM »
Fedor fans please enlighten me...how does this fight defend his #1 status?


How does this record deserve a title shot against "the #1HW in the world."
Here are his recent Fights. He even lost to Dos Santos and Arvloski. The only win on here that is decent is Gonzaga. Who by the
way got demolished by Couture.

 Win      Antonio Silva      Decision (Unanimous)      Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers      11/7/2009     3     5:00
 Win    Mike Kyle    Submission (Guillotine Choke)    Strikeforce - Carano vs. Cyborg    8/15/2009    1    1:24
 Loss    Junior dos Santos    TKO (Punches)    UFC 90 - Silva vs. Cote    10/25/2008    1    1:21
 Win    Brandon Vera    TKO (Punches)    UFC 85 - Bedlam    6/7/2008    1    4:40
 Win    Gabriel Gonzaga    TKO (Punches)    UFC 80 - Rapid Fire    1/19/2008    2    4:34
 Loss    Andrei Arlovski    Decision (Unanimous)    UFC 70 - Nations Collide    4/21/2007    3    5:00
 Win    Aleksander Emelianenko    Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)    2H2H - Pride & Honor    11/12/2006    1    3:24
 Loss    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira    Decision (Unanimous)    PRIDE - Critical Countdown Absolute    7/1/2006    3    5:00

lol.  they're silence is deafening  :D
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 05:17:08 PM »
It's not meant to defend his number one status you dolt-- It's a build up for a showdown with Overeem, StrikeForces HW champion, which will occur during the summer.

He has victories over Gonzaga, Vera, Silva, Fedors brother and the three losses you posted there are to Dos Santos, Arlovski and Nogueirra when he was in pride.

Who in the UFC outside of Brock Lesnar deserves more of a shot or has a dramatically more impressive resume than this guy?

Nog-- Who Fedor has beaten twice and probably nobody else. Oh wait,  the invincible Frank Mir should also recieve a shot-- actually, Fedor would be lucky just to have a shot against him  ::)

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 09:52:23 PM »
It's not meant to defend his number one status you dolt-- It's a build up for a showdown with Overeem, StrikeForces HW champion, which will occur during the summer.

He has victories over Gonzaga, Vera, Silva, Fedors brother and the three losses you posted there are to Dos Santos, Arlovski and Nogueirra when he was in pride.

Who in the UFC outside of Brock Lesnar deserves more of a shot or has a dramatically more impressive resume than this guy?

Nog-- Who Fedor has beaten twice and probably nobody else. Oh wait,  the invincible Frank Mir should also recieve a shot-- actually, Fedor would be lucky just to have a shot against him  ::)

To be honest with you....most of the UFC's HW division would be better suited than Werdum. Not a UFC guy, I just want exciting fights! Werdum does not fit the bill. I also want to see Fedor fight top talent to maintain his #1 status.
Again, Werdum does not fit the bill.

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 10:28:15 PM »
To be honest with you....most of the UFC's HW division would be better suited than Werdum. Not a UFC guy, I just want exciting fights! Werdum does not fit the bill. I also want to see Fedor fight top talent to maintain his #1 status.
Again, Werdum does not fit the bill.


Once again you're proving that you are indeed a UFC guy and that you have no idea what you're talking about. If I didn't know any better I would say that you're a Mindspin gimmick.

The UFC HW division is beyond awful right now. It's an embarrassment. The best HW competition currently resides outside the UFC.  ;)

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:00:03 AM »
Once again you're proving that you are indeed a UFC guy and that you have no idea what you're talking about. If I didn't know any better I would say that you're a Mindspin gimmick.

The UFC HW division is beyond awful right now. It's an embarrassment. The best HW competition currently resides outside the UFC.  ;)

So tell me what is wrong if I am a 'UFC guy'? I do think they have the best org. What's wrong with that?
I am not arguing orgs anyways. I watch them all.

I am just proving once again...Fedor is not defending his #1 status or fighting the best.
One thing we can agree on, Werdum is NOT the next best challenger, now who exactly IS we can debate about :)

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 09:33:07 AM »
According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc.  None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status.  The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 10:19:17 AM »
According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc.  None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status.  The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.

BJ, GSP and Silva have been fighting TOP guys. They are proving how good they are continually with fighting contenders that have
earned their shot. Although blowouts, they are still fighting TOP contenders.

Don't be silly and tell me that Werdum has earned his shot at the "#1" HW in the world.






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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 11:09:48 AM »
According to your logic weightpshr, bj penn, gsp, and anderson silva should leave the ufc.  None of their fights recently have "proven" their number one status.  The opponents they have faced recently don't belong in the ring with them.

What nonsense is this?  All three guys have cleaned out their divisions.  I can name 3-4 top heavyweights that Fedor is avoiding by refusing to fight in the UFC.  Please name 1-2 top fighters that either BJ, GSP or Andersen are avoiding by fighting in the UFC? 
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 09:08:58 PM »
gotta love the ufc nuthuggers..
The UFC does not have the Best Heavyweights
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 10:27:56 PM »
gotta love the ufc nuthuggers..
The UFC does not have the Best Heavyweights
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Doesn't matter who has the best. That is all opinion.
FACT is that Werdum vs Fedor is a joke.
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 03:28:38 AM »
i want too see fedor overeem over any other fight brock included

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2010, 06:19:37 AM »
Doesn't matter who has the best. That is all opinion.
FACT is that Werdum vs Fedor is a joke.
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?

I think this is a good fight & Werdum matches up well with Fedor.

I know Fedor will win by decision. Wanna sig bet?
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 07:31:08 AM »
I think this is a good fight & Werdum matches up well with Fedor.

I know Fedor will win by decision. Wanna sig bet?

Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
Do you think that Werdum is a real contender that is testing Fedor's #1 status?

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 10:00:23 AM »
Werdum is not even ranked in the top ten by the MMA Concensus Ranking which complies rankings by all organizations.  The top 5, excluding Fedor are all in the UFC.  The only non-UFC fighters in the top ten are Barnett (7), Rogers (9) and Overeem (10).  I don't see Barnett or Overeem happening anytime soon, as both are having steroid issues.  He already beat Rogers.  All that is left is in the UFC...
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2010, 11:33:08 AM »
Why do you think Fedor wants this fight?
Do you think that Werdum is a real contender that is testing Fedor's #1 status?

He lossed to Nog by decision (watch the fight he put on a good bout with a seasoned guy in his prime)
He lossed to Arvk (heavyweight champ currently) in his first debut fight coming from pride. Oh and loss by decision.
He lossed to Dos by a lucky punch (he got caught, everyone gets caught) Plus he tried tio bluk up for that fight & it hurt him.

So by that he has only lossed one fight by his opponent, not the judges.

By that and watch him fight I say he's a great match-up.

Have you seen his fights?
He's not an exciting fighter I know but he is very sound.
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2010, 11:39:48 AM »
He lossed to Nog by decision (watch the fight he put on a good bout with a seasoned guy in his prime)
He lossed to Arvk (heavyweight champ currently) in his first debut fight coming from pride. Oh and loss by decision.
He lossed to Dos by a lucky punch (he got caught, everyone gets caught) Plus he tried tio bluk up for that fight & it hurt him.

So by that he has only lossed one fight by his opponent, not the judges.

By that and watch him fight I say he's a great match-up.

Have you seen his fights?
He's not an exciting fighter I know but he is very sound.

So why do you think Werdum is not currently in the top 10 then?

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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 11:47:12 AM »
Werdum is not even ranked in the top ten by the MMA Concensus Ranking which complies rankings by all organizations.  The top 5, excluding Fedor are all in the UFC.  The only non-UFC fighters in the top ten are Barnett (7), Rogers (9) and Overeem (10).  I don't see Barnett or Overeem happening anytime soon, as both are having steroid issues.  He already beat Rogers.  All that is left is in the UFC...

Dude be reasonable. I could look @ 20 different MMA sites and each one has a different top 10/15 listed.
Oh and your "MMA consensus ranking" blurb" is B.S.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/rankings

Jesus dude do you think that none but you on GetBig has access to the web?

Your point is as worthless as the T.P. I used to wipe my ass.


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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2010, 11:51:36 AM »
So why do you think Werdum is not currently in the top 10 then?

Are you that blind to how MMA is viewed/ranked?

Hes 11th (so what) which can change month to month depending who gets beat.

Ask the fighters to rank the current top 10 for each division in the world and then do a ranking of submited info & you will see a true top 10 ranking.
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Re: Fedor vs. Werdum set for April on CBS
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 12:48:51 PM »
Are you that blind to how MMA is viewed/ranked?

Hes 11th (so what) which can change month to month depending who gets beat.

Ask the fighters to rank the current top 10 for each division in the world and then do a ranking of submited info & you will see a true top 10 ranking.

Do you think that someone that is not on ANYONE'S top 5 HW list should be fighting against the "#1 in the world?"

Hopefully Werdum does knock Fedor out....Then we can finally have someone at #1 that isn't afraid to fight the best.