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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 07:56:25 AM »


Cant bother watching.This entire theory has been proven a lie.The temperature numbers have been manipulated.These scientists sold their soul to a political agenda.None of it can be trusted from the so called "hockey stick" temp graffe to any of it.ALL LIES FROM START TO END!

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 07:58:39 AM »
Cant bother watching.This entire theory has been proven a lie.The temperature numbers have been manipulated.These scientists sold their soul to a political agenda.None of it can be trusted from the so called "hockey stick" temp graffe to any of it.ALL LIES FROM START TO END!
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 08:04:44 AM »
NASA Caught in Climate Data Manipulation; New Revelations Headlined on KUSI-TV Climate Special

WASHINGTON, Jan. 14 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Climate researchers have discovered that NASA researchers improperly manipulated data in order to claim 2005 as "THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD.” KUSI-TV meteorologist, Weather Channel founder, and iconic weatherman John Coleman will present these findings in a one-hour special airing on KUSI-TV on Jan.14 at 9 p.m. A related report will be made available on the Internet at 6 p.m. EST on January 14th at www.kusi.com

In a new report, computer expert E. Michael Smith and Certified Consulting Meteorologist Joseph D’Aleo discovered extensive manipulation of the temperature data by the U.S. Government's two primary climate centers: the National Climate Data Center (NCDC) in Ashville, North Carolina and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) at Columbia University in New York City.  Smith and D’Aleo accuse these centers of manipulating temperature data to give the appearance of warmer temperatures than actually occurred by trimming the number and location of weather observation stations. The report is available online at http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAAroleinclimategate.pdf.

The report reveals that there were no actual temperatures left in the computer database when NASA/NCDC proclaimed 2005 as "THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD.”  The NCDC deleted actual temperatures at thousands of locations throughout the world as it changed to a system of global grid points, each of which is determined by averaging the temperatures of two or more adjacent weather observation stations. So the NCDC grid map contains only averaged, not real temperatures, giving rise to significant doubt that the result is a valid representation of Earth temperatures.

The number of actual weather observation points used as a starting point for world average temperatures was reduced from about 6,000 in the 1970s to about 1,000 now. “That leaves much of the world unaccounted for,” says D'Aleo.

The NCDC data are regularly used by the National Weather Service to declare a given month or year as setting a record for warmth. Such pronouncements are typically made in support of the global warming alarmism agenda. Researchers who support the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) also regularly use the NASA/NCDC data, including researchers associated with the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia that is now at the center of the “Climategate” controversy.

This problem is only the tip of the iceberg with NCDC data. “For one thing, it is clear that comparing data from previous years, when the final figure was produced by averaging a large number of temperatures, with those of later years, produced from a small temperature base and the grid method, is like comparing apples and oranges,” says Smith.  “When the differences between the warmest year in history and the tenth warmest year is less than three quarters of a degree, it becomes silly to rely on such comparisons,” added D’Aleo who asserts that the data manipulation is “scientific travesty” that was committed by activist scientists to advance the global warming agenda.

Smith and D'Aleo are both interviewed as part of a report on this study on the television special, "Global Warming: The Other Side" seen at 9 PM on January 14th on KUSI-TV, channel 9/51, San Diego, California.  That program can now be viewed via computer at the website http://www.KUSI.com. The detailed report is available at http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAAroleinclimategate.pdf.

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 08:07:01 AM »
Go outside and look up in the sky, there is a big yellow ball, it is called the Sun. Then go and take a look at high and low levels of solar activity over the years.

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 08:28:14 AM »
Adam,  you're an idiot..... (Hope this helps)


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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 08:33:12 AM »
Adam,  you're an idiot..... (Hope this helps)


Monckton’s deliberate manipulation

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-manipulation/

Monckton’s deliberate manipulation
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— gavin @ 2 May 2009

Our favorite contrarian, the potty peer Christopher Monckton has been indulging in a little aristocratic artifice again. Not one to be constrained by mere facts or observable reality, he has launched a sally against Andy Revkin for reporting the shocking news that past industry disinformation campaigns were not sincere explorations of the true uncertainties in climate science.

The letter he has written to the NY Times public editor, with its liberal sprinkling of his usual pomposity, has at its heart the following graph:

Among other issues, it is quite amusing that Monckton apparently thinks that;

    * trends from January 2002 are relevant to a complaint about a story discussing a 1995 report,
    * someone might be fooled by the cherry-picked January 2002 start date,
    * no-one would notice that he has just made up the IPCC projection curves

The last is even more amusing because he was caught out making stuff up on a slightly different figure just a few weeks ago.

To see the extent of this chicanery, one needs only plot the actual IPCC projections against the observations. This can be done a number of ways, firstly, plotting the observational data and the models used by IPCC with a common baseline of 1980-1999 temperatures (as done in the 2007 report) (Note that the model output is for the annual mean, monthly variance would be larger):

These show clearly that 2002-2009 is way too short a period for the trends to be meaningful and that Monckton’s estimate of what the IPCC projects for the current period is woefully wrong. Not just wrong, fake.

Even if one assumes that the baseline should be the year 2002 making no allowance for internal variability (which makes no sense whatsoever), you would get the following graph:

- still nothing like Monckton showed. Instead, he appears to have derived his ‘projections’ by drawing a line from 2002 to a selection of real projections in 2100 and ignoring the fact that the actual projections accelerate as time goes on, and thus strongly over-estimating the projected changes that are expected now (see here).

Lest this be thought a mere aberration or a slip of his quill, it turns out he has previously faked the data on projections of CO2 as well. This graph is from a recent presentation of his, compared to the actual projections:

How can this be described except as fake?

Apart from this nonsense, is there anything to Monckton’s complaint about Revkin’s story? Sadly no. Once one cuts out the paranoid hints about dark conspiracies between “prejudiced campaigners”, Al Gore and the New York Times editors, the only point he appear to make is that this passage from the scientific advice somehow redeems the industry lobbyists who ignored it:

    The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential for a human impact on climate is based on well-established scientific fact, and should not be denied. While, in theory, human activities have the potential to result in net cooling, a concern about 25 years ago, the current balance between greenhouse gas emissions and the emissions of particulates and particulate-formers is such that essentially all of today’s concern is about net warming. However, as will be discussed below, it is still not possible to accurately predict the magnitude (if any), timing or impact of climate change as a result of the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. Also, because of the complex, possibly chaotic, nature of the climate system, it may never be possible to accurately predict future climate or to estimate the impact of increased greenhouse gas concentrations.

This is a curious claim, since the passage is pretty much mainstream. For instance, in the IPCC Second Assessment Report (1995) (p528):

    Complex systems often allow deterministic predictability of some characteristics … yet do not permit skilful forecasts of other phenomena …

or even more clearly in IPCC TAR (2001):

    In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. The most we can expect to achieve is the prediction of the probability distribution of the system’s future possible states….

Much more central to the point Revkin was making was the deletion of the sections dealing with how weak the standard contrarian arguments were – arguments that GCC publications continued to use for years afterward (and indeed arguments that Monckton is still using) (see this amendment to the original story).

Monckton’s ironic piece de resistance though is the fact that he entitled his letter “Deliberate Misrepresentation” – and this is possibly the only true statement in it.

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 09:06:34 AM »
For someone who claims to be so intelligent, you are very easily manipulated by the enviro-wacko's. But what ever, if you want to go and worship at the green church with pastor Al Gore more power to you, but don't expect me to do the same.
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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 09:11:05 AM »
For someone who claims to be so intelligent, you are very easily manipulated by the enviro-wacko's. But what ever, if you want to go and worship at the green church with pastor Al Gore more power to you, but don't expect me to do the same.

I think it is safe to say that TA is no longer an opponent of organized religion.  He now has adopted the religion of the green movement in every form and manner.   

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 09:11:34 AM »
For someone who claims to be so intelligent, you are very easily manipulated by the enviro-wacko's. But what ever, if you want to go and worship at the green church with pastor Al Gore more power to you, but don't expect me to do the same.
Wrong.

I go wherever the Scientific Evidence,Conclusion and overwhelming consensus of empirical peer reviewed evidence goes.  

Sorry, but being a denier is Anti-Science and Anti-Fact akin to faith based Creationist babble.

You can THINK all you want, but believing against or in spite of all Scientific evidence is faith based lunacy and is truly wacko.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 09:13:06 AM »
Wrong.

I go wherever the Scientific Evidence,Conclusion and overwhelming consensus of empirical peer reviewed evidence goes.  

Sorry, but being a denier is Anti-Science and Anti-Fact akin to faith based Creationist babble.

You can THINK all you want, but believing against or in spite of all Scientific evidence is faith based lunacy and is truly wacko.

Ha ha.  TA - did you know Santa Claus is fake?

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 09:14:09 AM »
I think it is safe to say that TA is no longer an opponent of organized religion.  He now has adopted the religion of the green movement in every form and manner.   

Science is not faith based.  Science is evidence based.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 09:16:30 AM »
Wrong.

I go wherever the Scientific Evidence,Conclusion and overwhelming consensus of empirical peer reviewed evidence goes.  

Sorry, but being a denier is Anti-Science and Anti-Fact akin to faith based Creationist babble.

You can THINK all you want, but believing against or in spite of all Scientific evidence is faith based lunacy and is truly wacko.

wHEN THE "EVIDENCE" has been manipulated from day one,and then thrown away,how could ANYONE believe a dam thing these political hacks that call themselves scientists believe a word of it.A proven lie=man made global warming.,

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 09:19:53 AM »
wHEN THE "EVIDENCE" has been manipulated from day one,and then thrown away,how could ANYONE believe a dam thing these political hacks that call themselves scientists believe a word of it.A proven lie=man made global warming.,
Sorry, Data is Data and is impossible to manipulate.

That would be akin to saying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is simply a manipulated ploy to explain entropy.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 09:21:35 AM »
Sorry, Data is Data and is impossible to manipulate.

That would be akin to saying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is simply a manipulated ploy to explain entropy.

TA - you are sounding more like a religious fundy every day with these posts. 

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2010, 09:22:57 AM »
3333 and Billy....
Both of yous have proven yourselves to think of a conclusion (or let fox news or sarah palin think of it and then work backwards from there throwing in factors. Global warming is and has been real.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2010, 09:24:04 AM »
Wrong.

I go wherever the Scientific Evidence,Conclusion and overwhelming consensus of empirical peer reviewed evidence goes.  

Sorry, but being a denier is Anti-Science and Anti-Fact akin to faith based Creationist babble.

You can THINK all you want, but believing against or in spite of all Scientific evidence is faith based lunacy and is truly wacko.

Yes becuase none of the data has been manipulated ::), Al Whore's movie was all truth ::). Peer reviewed, it has already been showed how it was peer reviewed.

More bullshit, fake science provided by con men, follow the money dumbass, find who stands to prosper the most. Got news for you Al Gore has a shit load of venture capital invested in "green" and if things don't break his way he stands to be financially wiped the fuck out.

Yes I can THINK, I guess that's what seperates me from you, I have my own opinions and do my own research and do no depend on some asshat on the grant gravy train to think for me.
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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2010, 09:25:40 AM »
3333 and Billy....
Both of yous have proven yourselves to think of a conclusion (or let fox news or sarah palin think of it and then work backwards from there throwing in factors. Global warming is and has been real.

Where is the evidence of it Mal?  Where is the unbiased evidenced that has not been manipulated that anyone can duplicate, replicate, and prove without any shadow of a doubt? 

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 09:31:15 AM »
TA - you are sounding more like a religious fundy every day with these posts. 
Religion is based on faith which is the belief of something without evidence or in spite of the evidence.

Science is the opposite.  Global Warming denials are faith based and contrary to scientific evidence and to not stand up to the scientific method at all.

I really wish Global Warming was not occurring and that mitigating it would be simpler.  

If you REALLY want to get to the heart of the problem, it is human overpopulation.  I for one support population control.  China already does this via incentives for having no children or just a single child.  There are too many worthless humans on our planet and as sea levels rise and erode the land, more humans will move inland and create a strain on resources like no other.  

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 09:43:12 AM »
3333 and Billy....
Both of yous have proven yourselves to think of a conclusion (or let fox news or sarah palin think of it and then work backwards from there throwing in factors. Global warming is and has been real.

Because Keith Olbermann and Al Gore say so?The evidense has been manipulated!!!Its all lies to rape America of its money.Period!!!!!!!These scientists are political hacks manipulating facts to further their agaenda.Believe it if you want but know this after last night.CAP AND TRADE IS FUCKING DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2010, 09:44:31 AM »
Great Post Adonis.  333 Averaging of temperatures is pretty normal and not a scandal you are trying to make it seem.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2010, 09:51:17 AM »
Man Billy, 333, etc need to turn off the propaganda and turn on the facts.  Both sides in this debate show a complete and utter faith in 'news' agency's to report their information on this issue.  The video of mockton and the girl proves that the pro warming debaters need to educate themselves and not just believe everything that is told to them.  Same with Billy and 333.  You post continuous propaganda based articles and always reference Al Gore as if he tells the world of climate science what to do.  This has been around long before Gore's movie or talks and to be honest i don't like Gore.  I don't watch his movies or listen to him speak on this issue and i probably never will, because unlike a lot of you, i prefer to read articles published by scientists not fox news or msnbc who BOTH have a vested financial interest in the war for the public's minds. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2010, 09:54:05 AM »
Man Billy, 333, etc need to turn off the propaganda and turn on the facts.  Both sides in this debate show a complete and utter faith in 'news' agency's to report their information on this issue.  The video of mockton and the girl proves that the pro warming debaters need to educate themselves and not just believe everything that is told to them.  Same with Billy and 333.  You post continuous propaganda based articles and always reference Al Gore as if he tells the world of climate science what to do.  This has been around long before Gore's movie or talks and to be honest i don't like Gore.  I don't watch his movies or listen to him speak on this issue and i probably never will, because unlike a lot of you, i prefer to read articles published by scientists not fox news or msnbc who BOTH have a vested financial interest in the war for the public's minds. 



KC - where is the unbiased, raw data proving man-made global warming that can be duplicated, replicated, and authenticated by anyone, anywhere, at any time?

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 09:54:55 AM »


Good post TA.

Arguing scientific facts with Palin supporters is fruitless.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2010, 09:55:41 AM »
KC - where is the unbiased, raw data proving man-made global warming that can be duplicated, replicated, and authenticated by anyone, anywhere, at any time?
Any Peer Reviewed Scientific Journal.  Take your pick.