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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 09:58:43 AM »
Any Peer Reviewed Scientific Journal.  Take your pick.

Just YESTERDAY the global warming kooks had to admit yet another lie ,saying the glaciers in the Himalayans were going to melt by 2035.They had to admit it was a lie and then were perplexed how that ended up in another of their kook reports.Everyday its a new lie.

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 09:59:49 AM »
Any Peer Reviewed Scientific Journal.  Take your pick.

Hysterical TA - would you allow me to peer review Billy's posts? 

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 10:06:50 AM »
Just YESTERDAY the global warming kooks had to admit yet another lie ,saying the glaciers in the Himalayans were going to melt by 2035.They had to admit it was a lie and then were perplexed how that ended up in another of their kook reports.Everyday its a new lie.

Billy they weren't lying when they proposed that could happen.  The glaciers are receding all over the world.  They make predictions and then revise them with time it's not lying at all, i can guarantee that no scientist worth anything would 'guarantee' the glaciers would be gone by 2035.  They will make predictions based on what may happen but revising the date to further in the future is hardly a case against global warming.  Seriously Billy i urge you to do some traveling and speak to locals in places where glaciers were once dominant features of the landscape and have now become little more than a glimmer of blue in the distance. 

BTW the consequences of the himalayan glaciers melting at a fast rate will be felt world wide.  India and Pakistan rely on that for their crops, the river goes through india then into pakistan and back into india, the water into pakistan is basically 'loaned' by india when the river starts producing less and less water do you really think they will keep it flowing through pakistan or do you think they will divert it to avoid major crop failures and droughts in their own country?  Then ask yourself what would a nuclear nation like Pakistan do to protect it's peoples crop and food supply?  War Billy, between two countries that have nuclear weapons and massive armies. 

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 10:12:33 AM »
Billy they weren't lying when they proposed that could happen.  The glaciers are receding all over the world.  They make predictions and then revise them with time it's not lying at all, i can guarantee that no scientist worth anything would 'guarantee' the glaciers would be gone by 2035.  They will make predictions based on what may happen but revising the date to further in the future is hardly a case against global warming.  Seriously Billy i urge you to do some traveling and speak to locals in places where glaciers were once dominant features of the landscape and have now become little more than a glimmer of blue in the distance. 

BTW the consequences of the himalayan glaciers melting at a fast rate will be felt world wide.  India and Pakistan rely on that for their crops, the river goes through india then into pakistan and back into india, the water into pakistan is basically 'loaned' by india when the river starts producing less and less water do you really think they will keep it flowing through pakistan or do you think they will divert it to avoid major crop failures and droughts in their own country?  Then ask yourself what would a nuclear nation like Pakistan do to protect it's peoples crop and food supply?  War Billy, between two countries that have nuclear weapons and massive armies. 

 

These same people state Polar Bears are going extinct,a lie.Sorry,I dont take ANYTHING they say seriously.They are nut jobs.Each and every week another lie is exposed.By the way,even if the earth was in dire straights what could man do about it?Just recently they found an average pet dog expells more carbon then a small car driving 25,000 miles in a year does.

Cap and trade would reduce the "warming" by  something like .000003 degrees.Cap and trade is designed for one thing.To utterly destroy the American economy and to steal as much wealth from this country to redistribute it to the rest of the crappy world.

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 10:15:19 AM »
These same people state Polar Bears are going extinct,a lie.Sorry,I dont take ANYTHING they say seriously.They are nut jobs.Each and every week another lie is exposed.By the way,even if the earth was in dire straights what could man do about it?Just recently they found an average pet dog expells more carbon then a small car driving 25,000 miles in a year does.

Cap and trade would reduce the "warming" by  something like .000003 degrees.Cap and trade is designed for one thing.To utterly destroy the American economy and to steal as much wealth from this country to redistribute it to the rest of the crappy world.

Cap & Trade is a hoax and madoff scheme. 

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 10:51:47 AM »
These same people state Polar Bears are going extinct,a lie.Sorry,I dont take ANYTHING they say seriously.They are nut jobs.Each and every week another lie is exposed.By the way,even if the earth was in dire straights what could man do about it?Just recently they found an average pet dog expells more carbon then a small car driving 25,000 miles in a year does.

Cap and trade would reduce the "warming" by  something like .000003 degrees.Cap and trade is designed for one thing.To utterly destroy the American economy and to steal as much wealth from this country to redistribute it to the rest of the crappy world.

Polar bears are declining in numbers.  go up to Hudson Bay and talk to the first nations of that area or better yet just google it Billy.

The effects of global warming are most profound in the southern part of the polar bear's range, and this is indeed where significant degradation of local populations has been observed.[112] The Western Hudson Bay subpopulation, in a southern part of the range, also happens to be one of the best-studied polar bear subpopulations. This subpopulation feeds heavily on ringed seals in late spring, when newly weaned and easily hunted seal pups are abundant.[104] The late spring hunting season ends for polar bears when the ice begins to melt and break up, and they fast or eat little during the summer until the sea freezes again.[104]

Due to warming air temperatures, ice-floe breakup in western Hudson Bay is currently occurring three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, reducing the duration of the polar bear feeding season.[104] The body condition of polar bears has declined during this period; the average weight of lone (and likely pregnant) female polar bears was approximately 290 kg (640 lb) in 1980 and 230 kg (510 lb) in 2004.[104] Between 1987 and 2004, the Western Hudson Bay population declined by 22%
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 11:12:49 AM »
Polar bears are declining in numbers.  go up to Hudson Bay and talk to the first nations of that area or better yet just google it Billy.

The effects of global warming are most profound in the southern part of the polar bear's range, and this is indeed where significant degradation of local populations has been observed.[112] The Western Hudson Bay subpopulation, in a southern part of the range, also happens to be one of the best-studied polar bear subpopulations. This subpopulation feeds heavily on ringed seals in late spring, when newly weaned and easily hunted seal pups are abundant.[104] The late spring hunting season ends for polar bears when the ice begins to melt and break up, and they fast or eat little during the summer until the sea freezes again.[104]

Due to warming air temperatures, ice-floe breakup in western Hudson Bay is currently occurring three weeks earlier than it did 30 years ago, reducing the duration of the polar bear feeding season.[104] The body condition of polar bears has declined during this period; the average weight of lone (and likely pregnant) female polar bears was approximately 290 kg (640 lb) in 1980 and 230 kg (510 lb) in 2004.[104] Between 1987 and 2004, the Western Hudson Bay population declined by 22%

The Polar bear population is INCREASING over the last few years.This is utter nonsense!Another Al Gore lie,and he was called out on it.Please stop falling for manipulated numbers.The Polar bear population is INCREASING.

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Wednesday, May 17, 2006

by H. Sterling Burnett

Recently, some scientists have claimed that human-caused global warming poses a significant threat to the survival of many species. For most species at risk, they argue, warming will cause the range of suitable habitat to shift faster than either the species (or their food sources) can move or adapt to a new range. For other species, they say, suitable habitat will cease to exist altogether. Among the species claimed to be at high risk of extinction from human-caused global warming is the charismatic polar bear.

Indeed, in February 2005 the Center for Biological Diversity filed a petition with the United States Fish and Wildlife Service to list the polar bear as endangered or threatened. The petition was later joined by the Natural Resources Defense Council and Greenpeace. In response, the USFWS initiated a formal status review to determine if the polar bear should be protected throughout its range.

A new NCPA study by Dr. David Legates, director of the University of Delaware's Center for Climatic Research and state climatologist, examines the claim that global warming threatens to cause polar bear extinction and finds little basis for fear. By and large, the study finds that polar bear populations are in good shape.

Is the Arctic Warming? In the study, Climate Science: Climate Change and Its Impacts , Legates reviewed the claims that global warming is causing an unnatural increase in Arctic temperatures, posing a threat to the thickness and extent of sea ice and thus to the polar bears who rely upon it. In particular, he examined assertions made in the 2004 Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (hereafter, the Arctic Assessment ), an international project of the Arctic Council and the International Arctic Science Committee (IASC).

Legates finds that their claims of an impending, human-induced Arctic meltdown are not supported by the evidence. For example, the Arctic Assessment proclaimed that Arctic air temperature trends provide an early and strong indication that global warming is causing polar ice caps and glaciers to melt. However, current research suggests that coastal stations in Greenland are instead experiencing a cooling trend, and average summer air temperatures at the summit of the Greenland Ice Sheet have decreased at the rate of 4°F per decade since measurements began in 1987.

In addition, the Arctic Assessment ignored a relatively recent long-term analysis of records from coastal stations in Russia. Russian coastal-station records of both the extent of sea ice and the thickness of fast ice (ice fixed to the shoreline or seafloor) extending back 125 years show significant variability over 60- to 80-year periods. Moreover, the maximum air temperature reported for the 20th century was in 1938, when it was nearly 0.4°F warmer than in 2000. The Russian study concludes that actual temperature measurements do not show the increased warming predicted by computer climate models.

However, even if warming is occurring, it has happened before, as ice cores from Baffin Island and sea core sediments from the Chukchi Sea show. For example, in Alaska, the onset of a warming in 1976-1977 ended the multi-decade cold trend in the mid-20th century and simply returned temperatures to those experienced in the early 20th century. Sharp, substantial fluctuations are typical of the historic pattern of natural climate variability extending back several centuries. And, as expected in response to natural variability, Alaskan ecosystems have responded rapidly and visibly to this recent warmth. By contrast, if the recent warmth were human-induced by constant additions of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, responses in the Arctic region would be expected to be gradual and modest when viewed within any short time period.

 
Is Warming Causing Sea Ice to Melt? According to the Arctic Assessment , human-caused warming in the Arctic will necessarily lead to decreased sea ice thickness and extent. However, air temperature is only one factor that influences sea ice; the frequency and velocity of the wind also has an effect. When the Arctic is relatively calm, it is easier for sea ice to develop. During stormy periods, surface winds churn the water and move existing ice, making it more difficult for sea ice to form.

A study commissioned by Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans examined the relationship between air temperature and sea ice and concluded, "the possible impact of global warming appears to play a minor role in changes to Arctic sea ice." Rather, the Canadian study found that changing wind patterns are the primary cause of changing sea ice distributions. Moreover, while sea ice has decreased in the Arctic, it has remained relatively constant (or even increased slightly) in the Antarctic since 1978.

Is Global Warming Killing Polar Bears? The Arctic Assessment concludes, "global warming could cause polar bears to go extinct by the end of the century by eroding the sea ice that sustains them." According to the assessment, the threat to polar bears is threefold: changes in rainfall or snowfall amounts or patterns could affect the ability of seals, the bears' primary prey, to successfully reproduce and raise their pups; decreased sea ice could result in a greater number of polar bears drowning or living more on land, negatively affecting their diet (forcing them to rely on their fat stores prior to hibernation); and unusual warm spells could cause the collapse of winter dens or force more bears into less-desirable denning areas.

Though polar bears are uniquely adapted to the Arctic region, they are not wedded solely to its coldest parts nor are they restricted to a specific Arctic diet. Aside from a variety of seals, they eat fish, kelp, caribou, ducks, sea birds and scavenged whale and walrus carcasses. In addition, as discussed above, Arctic air temperatures were as high as present temperatures in the 1930s and polar bears survived.

Interestingly, the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), an international organization that has worked for 50 years to protect endangered species, has also written on the threats posed to polar bears from global warming. However, their own research seems to undermine their fears. According to the WWF, about 20 distinct polar bear populations exist, accounting for approximately 22,000 polar bears worldwide. As the figure shows, population patterns do not show a temperature-linked decline:

Only two of the distinct population groups, accounting for about 16.4 percent of the total population, are decreasing.
Ten populations, approximately 45.4 percent of the total number, are stable.
Another two populations - about 13.6 percent of the total number of polar bears - are increasing.
The status of the remaining six populations (whether they are stable, increasing or decreasing in size) is unknown.

Moreover, when the WWF report is compared with the Arctic air temperature trend studies discussed earlier, there is a strong positive (instead of negative) correlation between air temperature and polar bear populations. Polar bear populations are declining in regions (like Baffin Bay) that have experienced a decrease in air temperature, while areas where polar bear populations are increasing (near the Bering Strait and the Chukchi Sea) are associated with increasing air temperatures. Thus it is difficult to argue that rising air temperatures will necessarily and directly lead to a decrease in polar bear populations.

Conclusion. Are human activities causing a warming in the Arctic, affecting the sea ice extent, longevity and thickness? Contradictory data exists. What seems clear is that polar bears have survived for thousands of years, including both colder and warmer periods. There may be threats to the future survival of the polar bear, but global warming is not primary among them.

H. Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis.

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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 12:45:31 PM »
did you read the study? there is a larger percentage decreasing than increasing and this is an old study. Like i said go up to hudson bay speak to someone with local knowledge and you'll understand the impact this is having. 
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 01:05:10 PM »
Sorry, Data is Data and is impossible to manipulate.

That would be akin to saying the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is simply a manipulated ploy to explain entropy.
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I dont really care one way or the other on global warming but I wanted to point out the idiocy that is TA and help send him back to the G&O...

Data can indeed be manipulated many different ways and it can also be interpreted in many different ways as well.

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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 05:37:30 PM »
I see TA posted a thread for another brutal owning..LOL!

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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2010, 11:43:38 PM »
But but but but...cut and paste...paste and cut...but but but but...utube video utube video...but but but.....paste paste paste...give up TA it was alllllllllllllllllllllll bullshit to make money. This has zero to do with Palin or Bush...or anything, they fucking lied. This has nothing to do with organized religion...they fucking lied. End it....separate ur garbage, conserve, recycle...do ur part but stop the bullshit.
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« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2010, 06:19:38 AM »
did you read the study? there is a larger percentage decreasing than increasing and this is an old study. Like i said go up to hudson bay speak to someone with local knowledge and you'll understand the impact this is having. 

YES!!The study CLEARLY states global warming has NOTHING to do with the polar bear polpullation at all.

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2010, 06:25:01 AM »
YES!!The study CLEARLY states global warming has NOTHING to do with the polar bear polpullation at all.


Billy - check out my article about Obama and suburbia.  This entire "issue" is nothing more than a smokescreen for more marxism, more regulation, more control, etc.

The climate has changed daily since the earth was formed billions of years ago and these fools want me to get hyped up about an insignificant fluctuation that is barely a blip on the radar screen.

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2010, 08:18:50 AM »
did you read the study? there is a larger percentage decreasing than increasing and this is an old study. Like i said go up to hudson bay speak to someone with local knowledge and you'll understand the impact this is having. 

Ok.  How about something from June of 2009:

Polar Bear Testimony Suppressed Due to 'Inconvenient' Truths
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
Sun, 06/28/2009 - 14:05 ET   

As the U.S. Senate now prepares to consider the cap-and-trade climate bill recently passed by the House, they will want to consider all the facts related to this landmark spending program. So far we have learned that the Environmental Protection Agency has suppressed an internal report skeptical about the wild global warming claims and now, from across the pond, we find out that a polar bear expert has been forbidden by global warming alarmists from reporting that most of those animals have actually been increasing in population during the past few years or are at optimum levels.

Although you won't find this story anywhere in the American media, Christopher Booker of the UK Telegraph has delivered an excellent report on this inconvenient truth suppression:

Over the coming days a curiously revealing event will be taking place in Copenhagen. Top of the agenda at a meeting of the Polar Bear Specialist Group (set up under the International Union for the Conservation of Nature/Species Survival Commission) will be the need to produce a suitably scary report on how polar bears are being threatened with extinction by man-made global warming.

This is one of a steady drizzle of events planned to stoke up alarm in the run-up to the UN's major conference on climate change in Copenhagen next December. But one of the world's leading experts on polar bears has been told to stay away from this week's meeting, specifically because his views on global warming do not accord with those of the rest of the group.

Suppressed EPA report, meet suppressed polar bear report. You both represent inconvenient truths.

Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.

No! No! This wasn't what we wanted to hear. It just does not fit in with our preconceived notions.

He has also observed, however, how the melting of Arctic ice, supposedly threatening the survival of the bears, has rocketed to the top of the warmists' agenda as their most iconic single cause. The famous photograph of two bears standing forlornly on a melting iceberg was produced thousands of times by Al Gore, the WWF and others as an emblem of how the bears faced extinction – until last year the photographer, Amanda Byrd, revealed that the bears, just off the Alaska coast, were in no danger. Her picture had nothing to do with global warming and was only taken because the wind-sculpted ice they were standing on made such a striking image.


Correct, and NewsBusters' Noel Sheppard also reported on this "stranded polar bear" hoax two years ago.

Dr Taylor had obtained funding to attend this week's meeting of the PBSG, but this was voted down by its members because of his views on global warming. The chairman, Dr Andy Derocher, a former university pupil of Dr Taylor's, frankly explained in an email (which I was not sent by Dr Taylor) that his rejection had nothing to do with his undoubted expertise on polar bears: "it was the position you've taken on global warming that brought opposition".

Dr Taylor was told that his views running "counter to human-induced climate change are extremely unhelpful". His signing of the Manhattan Declaration – a statement by 500 scientists that the causes of climate change are not CO2 but natural, such as changes in the radiation of the sun and ocean currents – was "inconsistent with the position taken by the PBSG".


An inconvenient truth because it is inconsistent with preconceived global warming alarmist notions.

So, as the great Copenhagen bandwagon rolls on, stand by this week for reports along the lines of "scientists say polar bears are threatened with extinction by vanishing Arctic ice". But also check out Anthony Watt's Watts Up With That website for the latest news of what is actually happening in the Arctic. The average temperature at midsummer is still below zero, the latest date that this has happened in 50 years of record-keeping. After last year's recovery from its September 2007 low, this year's ice melt is likely to be substantially less than for some time. The bears are doing fine.

Your humble correspondent has checked out Watts Up With That? and has found it to be an excellent resource for the truth about the inconvenient facts on the global warming hoax that is ignored by most of the American media. And one such inconvenient fact is that the overall polar bear population is growing, not declining.




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« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2010, 08:21:45 AM »
I have no respect for Science Deniers. 

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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2010, 08:25:34 AM »
I have no respect for Science Deniers. 

Bro - you are the exact caricature of the Fundies you laugh at on this issue. 

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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2010, 08:30:37 AM »
Bro - you are the exact caricature of the Fundies you laugh at on this issue. 
You are trying to argue something that can`t be argued like the Law of Gravity or Evolution.  Global Warming is an undeniable fact.  Am I glad it is a fact?  No.  I wish it were not happening as I realize the difficulty ahead and the danger it poses.

I also realize how dumb people are and how they don`t understand the most basic Science.  This surely does not help any technological or knowledge advancement in the future and the collective nation will just get even dumber as a result.  They will look to politicians or whoever for answers rather than relying on cold, hard, data and Science.

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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2010, 08:35:04 AM »
You are trying to argue something that can`t be argued like the Law of Gravity or Evolution.  Global Warming is an undeniable fact.  Am I glad it is a fact?  No.  I wish it were not happening as I realize the difficulty ahead and the danger it poses.

I also realize how dumb people are and how they don`t understand the most basic Science.  This surely does not help any technological or knowledge advancement in the future and the collective nation will just get even dumber as a result.  They will look to politicians or whoever for answers rather than relying on cold, hard, data and Science.

Well there are thousands of scientists who say its a lie.Those are the scientists that wont make any money by perpatrating the fraud.I think I will take their word on it before I believe a guy that stands to make money if this lie is believed.

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2010, 08:36:04 AM »
You are trying to argue something that can`t be argued like the Law of Gravity or Evolution.  Global Warming is an undeniable fact.  Am I glad it is a fact?  No.  I wish it were not happening as I realize the difficulty ahead and the danger it poses.

I also realize how dumb people are and how they don`t understand the most basic Science.  This surely does not help any technological or knowledge advancement in the future and the collective nation will just get even dumber as a result.  They will look to politicians or whoever for answers rather than relying on cold, hard, data and Science.



Which is where TA?

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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2010, 09:12:33 AM »
I have no respect for Science Deniers. 
I have no respect for idiots that refuse to accept the fact that the "data" was manipulated from the very beginning.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/uh-oh-raw-data-in-new-zealand-tells-a-different-story-than-the-official-one/

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« Reply #45 on: January 21, 2010, 09:20:49 AM »
I have no respect for idiots that refuse to accept the fact that the "data" was manipulated from the very beginning.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/uh-oh-raw-data-in-new-zealand-tells-a-different-story-than-the-official-one/
    Warming over New Zealand through the past century is unequivocal.

    NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques, including making adjustments for changes such as movement of measurement sites. For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made near sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved from Thorndon (3 metres above sea level) to Kelburn (125 m above sea level). The Kelburn site is on average 0.8°C cooler than Thorndon, because of the extra height above sea level.

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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2010, 09:26:34 AM »
   Warming over New Zealand through the past century is unequivocal.

    NIWA’s analysis of measured temperatures uses internationally accepted techniques, including making adjustments for changes such as movement of measurement sites. For example, in Wellington, early temperature measurements were made near sea level, but in 1928 the measurement site was moved from Thorndon (3 metres above sea level) to Kelburn (125 m above sea level). The Kelburn site is on average 0.8°C cooler than Thorndon, because of the extra height above sea level.

hahahaha!!!

That is their reason. Which did not make any sense to any other scientist since sea level SHOULD NOT have account for any adjustment to the raw data.

Forget it. You are a lost cause. The raw data was manipulated. Period. Any result stemming from that data is FLAWED.

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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2010, 09:31:28 AM »
hahahaha!!!

That is their reason. Which did not make any sense to any other scientist since sea level SHOULD NOT have account for any adjustment to the raw data.

Forget it. You are a lost cause. The raw data was manipulated. Period. Any result stemming from that data is FLAWED.
I don`t think you understand the basics. Global Warming does not mean summer and no more winters ever again.

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2010, 09:34:09 AM »
I don`t think you understand the basics. Global Warming does not mean summer and no more winters ever again.

Oh course, TA, the economist, climate scientist, philosopher, chef, engineer, chemist, and expert on all of the hard sciences can explain all of this to us.   ::)  ::)  ::)

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Re: It`s so Cold, there Can`t be GLOBAL WARMING......(Hope this helps)
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2010, 09:47:07 AM »
Oh course, TA, the economist, climate scientist, philosopher, chef, engineer, chemist, and expert on all of the hard sciences can explain all of this to us.   ::)  ::)  ::)
The best I can do is help you understand.  To truly KNOW the material would take an active commitment of learning and time which so few people have which is why large and even small scientific and non-scientific issues are poorly understood.

The typical 9-5 schmuck would rather watch American Idol than learn about the Cosmos.