Wavelength and Adonis approved????

[wavelength]

that guy is a "natural" (haha)  BBer in his 30's that has been lifting weights for a lifetime, and a very good one at that. Pretty unfair to compare him to a high school senior.

The point being made is that you guys act as if you are 200lb ripped BBer's that carry so much muscle, and that your methods are truly revolutionary.

You guys are in the 160-180 range at 5'10-11".  of COURSE you are fucking lean after 3 months of dieting. i would hope so. YOU ARE SKINNY

Congratulations on having the willpower to stick with a caloric deficit long enough to get lean. do it at 200 or above lbs and then you will have me curious

Noone claimed revolutionary methods. Many factors contribute to absolute weight. Doesn't change anything.

Here is what top nutritionist Alan Aragon has to say about the topic:

Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.  Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric deficit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.

[The True Adonis]

that guy is a "natural" (haha)  BBer in his 30's that has been lifting weights for a lifetime, and a very good one at that. Pretty unfair to compare him to a high school senior.

The point being made is that you guys act as if you are 200lb ripped BBer's that carry so much muscle, and that your methods are truly revolutionary.

You guys are in the 160-180 range at 5'10-11".  of COURSE you are fucking lean after 3 months of dieting. i would hope so. YOU ARE SKINNY

Congratulations on having the willpower to stick with a caloric deficit long enough to get lean. do it at 200 or above lbs and then you will have me curious

Groink,
I like you but you have never seen your abs.  Why not try to find them this year?

[TacoBell]

Can you please find me a High School Football Player that is around 5`10 175 lbs like this guy?  Thanks.

What I said was 'carries as much muscle' as a h.s. football player, and yes I know a few that carry that much.  You have presented a guy with good lines and who is aesthetically pleasing however the amount of muscle he carries is not anything astounding. 

The point Im trying to make is actually rather concurrent with the things you say Adonis, which is that people put waaay too much though into nutrition considering they are within the ranges of 160-190lbs, when they could simply eat normally and look exactly the same.  Being 'natural' and at that weight, the results mostly come from the actual work out, not the diet.  Diet tricks/manipulations shouldnt really be necessary for the recreational 'bodybuilder' who weighs 180lbs.

[Krankenstein]

Simple.  Just add and count the calories with the rest of the food.

What would you start calories at for women?

[The True Adonis]

What I said was 'carries as much muscle' as a h.s. football player, and yes I know a few that carry that much.  You have presented a guy with good lines and who is aesthetically pleasing however the amount of muscle he carries is not anything astounding. 

The point Im trying to make is actually rather concurrent with the things you say Adonis, which is that people put waaay too much though into nutrition considering they are within the ranges of 160-190lbs, when they could simply eat normally and look exactly the same.  Being 'natural' and at that weight, the results mostly come from the actual work out, not the diet.  Diet tricks/manipulations shouldnt really be necessary for the recreational 'bodybuilder' who weighs 180lbs.

Ripped at 160-190 and Natural is hardly average.  

I got an idea, how about you post your picture.

[The True Adonis]

What would you start calories at for women?

Depends on how active and her size.

Jezebelle eats around 2000 at 5`11 130.

[che]

Wavelenght, be honest how much did you weight in your avatar pic ?

[TacoBell]

Ripped at 160-190 and Natural is hardly average.  

I got an idea, how about you post your picture.

U cant be serious, u must not know any black people.  And my pics have been posted numerous times, and a few guys know me, Im pretty sure youve seen my pics as well.  It wont really factor in anyway, Im not natural, couldnt really pass for natural.

[dustin]

Lots of angry PED users and fatties in this thread.

TA and Wavelength aren't making outlandish statements. Just don't eat so much and you won't be a fucking fatty. There's no special ratio of vomit inducing dry chicken breasts to broccoli to produce epic leans.

I just eat a few manly meals, eye out my protein, vary my carbs depending on how I look and feel and eat a lower amount of fat so I can "cheat" without feeling guilty. I still suck back protein shakes too because honestly the protein powders out there taste phenomenal (Gaspari Myofusion and Xtreme Formulations Ultra Peptide taste like milkshakes!!). I like healthier dishes too so even if I went an entire day eating "bad" food it'd make no difference. I'd probably just have veins sticking out everywhere and have to take a couple extra shits. Don't be the type of loser who turns down their dying grandmother's family feast because they're dieting. Chances are that you probably have too much fat to see your abs anyway, so don't worry about it.


Unless you're dieting down for a comp and you're a couple months out, toss everything you read in the magazines out the window, wipe off that vagina and pick up a BURGER. It's as simple as watching your calories and knowing how to use drugs properly - nothing special.

[Palpatine Q]

Groink,
I like you but you have never seen your abs.  Why not try to find them this year?

I like you to Adonis......as to the question,

Not a priority. I have a flat stomach and have no hesitation in taking my shirt off at a pool or at the beach. I look like a BBer that needs to cut a bit.


I prefer being a solid, very powerful looking person over a thin, defined one.

it's a matter of choice. i could be lean as hell, it's  dietary discipline is all.

[TacoBell]

Here ya go.  Lache Seastrunk, 5'10 175 senior at Temple H.S. Texas.  Plays football and runs track.

[che]

Adonis you were lean not shredded .

[The True Adonis]

5`9 186-190 the white guy is.

Me thinks your "Black HighSchooler" is a skinny twink who does not even come close to being 180 lbs ripped at 5`9 or 5`10

[kiwiol]

I like you to Adonis......as to the question,

Not a priority. I have a flat stomach and have no hesitation in taking my shirt off at a pool or at the beach. I look like a BBer that needs to cut a bit.


I prefer being a solid, very powerful looking person over a thin, defined one.

it's a matter of choice. i could be lean as hell, it's  dietary discipline is all.

All this back and forth reminds me of 4 years ago, around the 1st Mr Getbig, when the SQUAD was battling it out with Adonis, Heckler and Buttsuck over this same argument about permabulking vs being skinny but ripped

[TacoBell]

5`9 186-190 the white guy is.

Me thinks your "Black HighSchooler" is a skinny twink who does not even come close to being 180 lbs ripped at 5`9 or 5`10

First, hes 5'10 175..so is he not ripped or is 175 not close to 180?  Because u said he doesnt come close so Im trying to determine where he falls short.

Second, you are the only one bringing 'natural' competitive bb'ers into the conversation.  Im comparing the high school kid to the recreational bbers who are 185 trying to cut to 160 and dissecting diets like it matters.......
ie OP, Wavelength, and you, and yes he's comparable.
Third Doug Miller isnt natural, so that doesnt help your argument.

Whats weird about all this is that Im the one saying to just eat normal and you seem to be arguing?

[Palpatine Q]

All this back and forth reminds me of 4 years ago, around the 1st Mr Getbig, when the SQUAD was battling it out with Adonis, Heckler and Buttsuck over this same argument about permabulking vs being skinny but ripped

True Kiwi, but i think that there is a bit more civility these days.

I can respect Adonis for moulding his body into what he wants it to be, it's just not what i'm going for.

I could stand to lose a few lbs. for sure,  but "fat" i'm not.  I'll take it at 44 years old and natural.

I'd post a shirtless pic but unless I'm Dorian Yates I'll never hear the end of it. even though i freely admit that I'm not very lean.

Did it to myself i guess....that's what you get for being an incorrigible asshole for 7 years  

[PJim]

funny to see how heavy some of these 'natural' 'fairly lean' 270 lb guys will end up dieted down.  

[The True Adonis]

True Kiwi, but i think that there is a bit more civility these days.

I can respect Adonis for moulding his body into what he wants it to be, it's just not what i'm going for.

I could stand to lose a few lbs. for sure,  but "fat" i'm not.  I'll take it at 44 years old and natural.

I'd post a shirtless pic but unless I'm Dorian Yates I'll never hear the end of it.

Did it to myself i guess....that's what you get for being an incorrigible asshole for 7 years  

You look great at 44 or for any age.  Keep up the hard work. 

[Palpatine Q]

You look great at 44 or for any age.  Keep up the hard work. 

Thanks Adonis....i admire your epic leans as well.

never mind diet...What kind of training are you doing these days?

[TacoBell]

Im not even trying to argue with anybody.  Heres TB's cliffs
No patience says 'im just going to eat normally when I cut this time and im very impressed with myself'
Groink says 'dont start blowing yourself yet'. ( )
Adonis says 'approved'
Taco says 'no f uckin shit, why is this impressive'
Wave says 'there are rules'
Taco says 'why rules, you weigh as much as a h.s. football player'
Adonis says 'high scoolers arent 5'10 175'
Taco posts pic
Adonis posts pic of a liar and fudges some statistics.
Goink and Adonis stroke each other
Taco posts cliffs.

[Palpatine Q]

Im not even trying to argue with anybody.  Heres TB's cliffs
No patience says 'im just going to eat normally when I cut this time and im very impressed with myself'
Groink says 'dont start blowing yourself yet'. ( )
Adonis says 'approved'
Taco says 'no f uckin shit, why is this impressive'
Wave says 'there are rules'
Taco says 'why rules, you weigh as much as a h.s. football player'
Adonis says 'high scoolers arent 5'10 175'
Taco posts pic
Adonis posts pic of a liar and fudges some statistics.
Goink and Adonis stroke each other
Taco posts cliffs.

Well to be fair...me and Adonis used to rip each other brutally, so i guess it's time we officially buried the hatchet.

[The True Adonis]

Thanks Adonis....i admire your epic leans as well.

never mind diet...What kind of training are you doing these days?

5-6 days a week a combination of HEAVY and Explosive.

Hardest I have ever worked.

[dr.chimps]

Well to be fair...me and Adonis used to rip each other brutally, so i guess it's time we officially buried the hatchet.

[Palpatine Q]

5-6 days a week a combination of HEAVY and Explosive.

Hardest I have ever worked.

Good stuff. how is your body responding?

If you can pack a few lbs of solid mass onto your frame and maintain your BF%, you will look very impressive indeed. Not that you don't look good now

That's the one thing i thought lacked when you guys all lean out is you loose a large degree of thickness and that's the trade-off I guess I'm not willing to make.

Maybe going all the way down and then building from there without truly bulking is the key.

[Palpatine Q]

LOL