Bodybuilders Of Today vs Yesterdays

[wes]

Has anyone ever seen in print, from any source other than an internet forum,where it`s stated Arnold started using steroids as a teen?

I thought so!!!
 

[johnny1]

Exactly my sentiments

That picture of Sergio is absolutely Ridiculous ....Hard to believe that shot was from the 1970s an absolute Genetic Freak of his Era.

[dyslexic]

"Yesterday's" was much safer that's for sure.


The look of today is freaky, but at too high of a cost.


fucking conundrum...

[calfzilla]

Franco must be the worst Mr. O ever.  Even worse than Dexter. 

[Mr. Magoo]

Has anyone ever seen in print, from any source other than an internet forum,where it`s stated Arnold started using steroids as a teen?

I thought so!!!
 

I've never seen in any print that "Wes" competes in bodybuilding, but I saw it on a bodybuilding forum, so I believe it

media is media, welcome to the 21st century. What do you want, a peer reviewed research article?

[big man]

Why I got into weightlifting was to get super healthy and strong. So that I could run and play harder than 95% of the people out there. It was never about weighing in at 250 , being bloated , binge eating , becoming a chemical toilet, having sweat stains from waiting in line at a coffee shop all out of breath too.

I agree

[MORTALCOIL]

They used a lot back then but they didn't start as early.most of thiese guys had built a physique and hard work ethic before juicing. If they had had today's drugs, no doubt most of them would have used the same stack as today's Bbers. But because of those restrictions, yesterday's Bbers still give that (somehow flawed) image of health and fitness. Nowadays, it's a freak show, quite entertaining I must say but it's nothing more then being the witness of a lab experiment.

[WillGrant]

Has anyone ever seen in print, from any source other than an internet forum,where it`s stated Arnold started using steroids as a teen?

I thought so!!!
 

He was deffernatly on when he was in the army , so 19? just had that full dball look to his muscle.

I agree with you about how hard the guys used to train back then but without the gear they were on they would be monsterly overtrained..hitting each muscle 3 times a week directly plus all the overlap training and they grew,damm that screams lots of dball not one or two tabs a day. they were 2mg back then to.

Ive read in print that arnold used to measure his doses out by the palm load , is this true ? who knows but the way they trained back then and grew like weeds would suggest huge doses.

[wes]

@ Mr. Magoo (still can`t quote)

Here you go in print.......now show me the info on Arnolds drug use as a teen from a reliable source.

Thanks.

Tim Wescott


1995

Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

1999

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 2nd
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

2000

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 1st
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 3rd
Masters Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 4th
Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

2001

Masters Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 5th
New England Championships - NPC, Masters, 4th
New England Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 4th

2002

Atlantic States Championships - NPC, Masters 45+, 3rd
New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 2nd
New England Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 7th

2003

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 4th
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 1st
New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th

2005

Masters Nationals - NPC, MiddleWeight, Did not place
Masters Nationals - NPC, Masters 50+ MiddleWeight, 7th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Medium, 2nd
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+, 3rd

2006

New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd

2007

New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th
New England Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 4th
New York Metro Championships - NPC, Masters 45+, 5th
New York Metro Championships - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 4th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 40+ Short, 3rd

[MORTALCOIL]

@ Mr. Magoo (still can`t quote)

Here you go in print.......now show me the info on Arnolds drug use as a teen from a reliable source.

Thanks.

Tim Wescott


1995

Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

1999

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 2nd
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 2nd
Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

2000

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 1st
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 3rd
Masters Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 4th
Southern States - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 1st

2001

Masters Nationals - NPC, LightWeight, 5th
New England Championships - NPC, Masters, 4th
New England Championships - NPC, LightWeight, 4th

2002

Atlantic States Championships - NPC, Masters 45+, 3rd
New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 2nd
New England Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 7th

2003

Massachusetts Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 4th
Massachusetts Championships - NPC, Masters, 1st
New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th

2005

Masters Nationals - NPC, MiddleWeight, Did not place
Masters Nationals - NPC, Masters 50+ MiddleWeight, 7th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Medium, 2nd
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+, 3rd

2006

New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd

2007

New England Championships - NPC, Masters 40+, 4th
New England Championships - NPC, MiddleWeight, 4th
New York Metro Championships - NPC, Masters 45+, 5th
New York Metro Championships - NPC, Masters 35+ LightWeight, 4th
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd
USA Nationals - NABBA, Masters 40+ Short, 3rd

How much you weight nowadays, Wes? Will you be competing again?

[wes]

Not really sure how much I weigh right now.

I haven`t competed since 2007 but I`m currently into my 3rd. week of dieting for this years contests.

I`ll compete as a middleweight (176 lbs.).

[Hugo Chavez]

whats the difference? Both used the most amount of drugs available at the time to reach their goals

Of course they both used drugs, but if you don't see the difference, LOLOLOL....

[jupiter23]

Franco must be the worst Mr. O ever.  Even worse than Dexter. 

your a joke...  Dexters physique is unreal... why do you think they call him the blade..



franco had a killer body aswell

[MORTALCOIL]

your a joke...  Dexters physique is unreal... why do you think they call him the blade..



franco had a killer body aswell

Franco looked good on pictures with nobody around. His first Sandow was a gift (courtesy of Arnold) and his second is still the biggest joke in IFFB history, a history which is not joke free BTW.

[Rome]

You could have this argument all day but I'd prefer to live in the present and list some of the positives of today's BB

--Better balance between upper an lower body
-- Like it or not, crazy conditioning
-- Thanks to people like Yates and Coleman, more attention is paid to back development.

....sure there are plenty of negatives but that's been done to death on this board. 

[MORTALCOIL]

You could have this argument all day but I'd prefer to live in the present and list some of the positives of today's BB

--Better balance between upper an lower body
-- Like it or not, crazy conditioning
-- Thanks to people like Yates and Coleman, more attention is paid to back development.

....sure there are plenty of negatives but that's been done to death on this board. 

I agree but don't forget, back development started with Haney (some will even say Robinson) and Mentzer already had thighs to match his upper body. But those became standards by now while it was stillrare back then.

[nolotil]

Just read this great article from shredded.. with lots of great pics from the bodybuilders of yesterday vs todays..

http://www.simplyshredded.com/bodybuilders-of-today-vs-bodybuilders-of-yesterday.html

which era did you like?


Yesterdays



Todays

best age of bodybuilding;; 90s because they got 80s foundation and then later more drugs not like today too much drugs too early,, for everyday joe=60s 70ss physique best ,, but also built on alot of drugs so dont be fooled.,..

[nolotil]

I think it's hear-say that Arnold started that young I always thought he was 16 , I agree everyone took them but I just don't think they relied so heavily on them , they had way less contests so there wasn't a need to constantly be on and I think guys really did cycle more back then and human nature always dictates someone will always push the envelope so I'm sure people back then were pushing the limits of that days norm but I think the sport is heavily reliant on them now at much earlier and much longer than back then

arnold = very big abuser of drugs ,, dont be fooled my friend.... they all experimented alot back then and didnt use small dosages of drugs as they claim... drug quaality very high back then,, yes not as many compoounds but tip top quality

[Van_Bilderass]

Has anyone ever seen in print, from any source other than an internet forum,where it`s stated Arnold started using steroids as a teen?

I thought so!!!
 

When do YOU think he started juicing?

Do you think Rick Wayne made it up, that he bought steroids from Arnold when Arnold was 17?

Do you think Kurt Marnul made it up that Arnold used as a young teen?

Again, you don't think Arnold used as a teen??? 

[MORTALCOIL]

The 90s was the most competitive era by far: Taylor, Benaziza, Labrada, Yates of course, Dillett, Levrone, Ray, Nasser, Flex, Ronnie and even guys like Pastel, Clairmonte, Munzer, François, Baker, Cormier, Priest, Fux.

[nolotil]

When do YOU think he started juicing?

Do you think Rick Wayne made it up, that he bought steroids from Arnold when Arnold was 17?

Do you think Kurt Marnul made it up that Arnold used as a young teen?

Again, you don't think Arnold used as a teen??? 

schwartzee definataly used as teen,, he started at around 15-16 i believe,, real candyman when it come to orals,...very mentally fucked up as kid ,, alwats wanted his nazi fathers love,, very harsh father as so common in his culture back then and still to this present ddayd,,,

[Mr. Magoo]

Of course they both used drugs, but if you don't see the difference, LOLOLOL....

I see the difference in their physiques yes, but on the grand picture I see the same people just on a different time scale. I don't get this whole "golden years" of bodybuilding stuff that goes on. I don't see how they were "better" bodybuilders because of something they didn't have access to but would have used if they had the access (insulin, gh, etc). People have the tendency to uphold the 70s era bodybuilder as an idol or something and I think if Arnold or Scott or Draper, etc, had access to the stuff today, they would be in the same boat as Ronnie or Dorian or whoever today. So how is one group "better" than another?

[nolotil]

The 90s was the most competitive era by far: Taylor, Benaziza, Labrada, Yates of course, Dillett, Levrone, Ray, Nasser, Flex, Ronnie and even guys like Pastel, Clairmonte, Munzer, François, Baker, Cormier, Priest, Fux.

+++ many more ,, 90s = golden ag eof competitive bodybuilding

always play 80% game for success;; get to 80% then add 20,, never ever vice versa...,

[NarcissisticDeity]

How is Arnold popping d-bol at 14-15 years old reaching his natural limit?  That natural limit thing is complete horseshit if your plan is to compete.  If you are in it for the long haul and being healthy then trying to compete shouldn't be a goal in the first place.

Where is the proof he started that early? and what's the rush to compete?

[jupiter23]

schwartzee definataly used as teen,, he started at around 15-16 i believe,, real candyman when it come to orals,...very mentally fucked up as kid ,, alwats wanted his nazi fathers love,, very harsh father as so common in his culture back then and still to this present ddayd,,,

i think you are wrong man.. at that age he looked natural... i would say maybe 19-20 he started experiementin