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Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« on: January 28, 2010, 10:57:03 AM »
You would think that those who are so convinced that there is no God would have better things to do than to bleat and blubber, about an old lady, who spend the bulk of her life doing humanitarian work.

This, even by their standards, is PITIFUL.

Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp


An atheist organization is blasting the U.S. Postal Service for its plan to honor Mother Teresa with a commemorative stamp, saying it violates postal regulations against honoring "individuals whose principal achievements are associated with religious undertakings."

The Freedom from Religion Foundation is urging its supporters to boycott the stamp -- and also to engage in a letter-writing campaign to spread the word about what it calls the "darker side" of Mother Teresa.

The stamp -- set to be released on Aug. 26, which would have been Mother Teresa's 100th birthday -- will recognize the 1979 Nobel Peace Prize winner for her humanitarian work, the Postal Service announced last month.

"Noted for her compassion toward the poor and suffering, Mother Teresa, a diminutive Roman Catholic nun and honorary U.S. citizen, served the sick and destitute of India and the world for nearly 50 years," the Postal Service said in a press release. "Her humility and compassion, as well as her respect for the innate worth and dignity of humankind, inspired people of all ages and backgrounds to work on behalf of the world’s poorest populations."

But Freedom from Religion Foundation spokeswoman Annie Laurie Gaylor says issuing the stamp runs against Postal Service regulations.

"Mother Teresa is principally known as a religious figure who ran a religious institution. You can't really separate her being a nun and being a Roman Catholic from everything she did," Gaylor told FoxNews.com.

Postal Service spokesman Roy Betts expressed surprise at the protest, given the long list of previous honorees with strong religious backgrounds, including Malcolm X, the former chief spokesman for the Nation of Islam, and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., a Baptist minister and co-founder of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

"In fact we honored Father Flanagan in 1986 for his humanitarian work. This has nothing to do with religion or faith," Betts told FoxNews.com.

Gaylor said the atheist group opposed Father Flanagan's stamp but not those for King and Malcolm X, because she said they were known for their civil rights activities, not for their religion.

Martin Luther King "just happened to be a minister," and "Malcolm X was not principally known for being a religious figure," she said.

"And he's not called Father Malcolm X like Mother Teresa. I mean, even her name is a Roman Catholic honorific."

Gaylor said Mother Teresa infused Catholicism into her secular honors — including an "anti-abortion rant" during her Nobel Prize acceptance speech — and that even her humanitarian work was controversial.

"There was criticism by the end of her life that she turned what was a tiny charity into an extremely wealthy charity that had the means to provide better care than it did," Gaylor said. "...There's this knee jerk response that everything she did was humanitarian, and I think many people would differ that what she was doing was to promote religion, and what she wanted to do was baptize people before they die, and that doesn't have a secular purpose for a stamp."

But the Postal Service said the commemorative stamp has nothing to do with Mother Teresa's religion.

"Mother Teresa is not being honored because of her religion, she's being honored for her work with the poor and her acts of humanitarian relief," Betts told FoxNews.com.....


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584165,00.html

BTW, someone should mention to these folks that, the reason Malcolm X isn't called "Father" is because he ain't Catholic, though in Muslim circles, he was known as "Brother Minister".

And, lest these factually-challenged geniuses forget that other civil rights leaders' title, it's REV. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 11:20:40 AM »
Geeze,are you kidding me?Muhamed Ali had a stamp and I refer to him as a "mother fucker" should that have eliminated him?The women dedicated her life to helping the poor and the sick,so shes a religious kook and probably a commie,lets at least admit she did wonderfull work.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 11:26:45 AM »
As I mentioned in another thread, it is very common to point out and condemn religious extremism. But secular extremism gets a pass.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 11:32:00 AM »
Mother Theresa was a charlatan.  At least by the end of her life she realized their was no Jesus.

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The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.

By Christopher Hitchens


Mother Teresa: No saint
    I think it was Macaulay who said that the Roman Catholic Church deserved great credit for, and owed its longevity to, its ability to handle and contain fanaticism. This rather oblique compliment belongs to a more serious age. What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism.


       It's the sheer tawdriness that strikes the eye first of all. It used to be that a person could not even be nominated for "beatification," the first step to "sainthood," until five years after his or her death. This was to guard against local or popular enthusiasm in the promotion of dubious characters. The pope nominated MT a year after her death in 1997. It also used to be that an apparatus of inquiry was set in train, including the scrutiny of an advocatus diaboli or "devil's advocate," to test any extraordinary claims. The pope has abolished this office and has created more instant saints than all his predecessors combined as far back as the 16th century.

     As for the "miracle" that had to be attested, what can one say? Surely any respectable Catholic cringes with shame at the obviousness of the fakery. A Bengali woman named Monica Besra claims that a beam of light emerged from a picture of MT, which she happened to have in her home, and relieved her of a cancerous tumor. Her physician, Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, says that she didn't have a cancerous tumor in the first place and that the tubercular cyst she did have was cured by a course of prescription medicine. Was he interviewed by the Vatican's investigators? No. (As it happens, I myself was interviewed by them but only in the most perfunctory way. The procedure still does demand a show of consultation with doubters, and a show of consultation was what, in this case, it got.)
          According to an uncontradicted report in the Italian paper L'Eco di Bergamo, the Vatican's secretary of state sent a letter to senior cardinals in June, asking on behalf of the pope whether they favored making MT a saint right away. The pope's clear intention has been to speed the process up in order to perform the ceremony in his own lifetime. The response was in the negative, according to Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, the Canadian priest who has acted as postulator or advocate for the "canonization." But the damage, to such integrity as the process possesses, has already been done.
During the deliberations over the Second Vatican Council, under the stewardship of Pope John XXIII, MT was to the fore in opposing all suggestions of reform. What was needed, she maintained, was more work and more faith, not doctrinal revision. Her position was ultra-reactionary and fundamentalist even in orthodox Catholic terms. Believers are indeed enjoined to abhor and eschew abortion, but they are not required to affirm that abortion is "the greatest destroyer of peace," as MT fantastically asserted to a dumbfounded audience when receiving the Nobel Peace Prize*. Believers are likewise enjoined to abhor and eschew divorce, but they are not required to insist that a ban on divorce and remarriage be a part of the state constitution, as MT demanded in a referendum in Ireland (which her side narrowly lost) in 1996. Later in that same year, she told Ladies Home Journal that she was pleased by the divorce of her friend Princess          Diana, because the marriage had so obviously been an unhappy one …
This returns us to the medieval corruption of the church, which sold indulgences to the rich while preaching hellfire and continence to the poor. MT was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go? The primitive hospice in Calcutta was as run down when she died as it always had been—she preferred California clinics when she got sick herself—and her order always refused to publish any audit. But we have her own claim that she opened 500 convents in more than a hundred countries, all bearing the name of her own order. Excuse me, but this is modesty and humility?
            The rich world has a poor conscience, and many people liked to alleviate their own unease by sending money to a woman who seemed like an activist for "the poorest of the poor." People do not like to admit that they have been gulled or conned, so a vested interest in the myth was permitted to arise, and a lazy media never bothered to ask any follow-up questions. Many volunteers who went to Calcutta came back abruptly disillusioned by the stern ideology and poverty-loving practice of the "Missionaries of Charity," but they had no audience for their story. George Orwell's admonition in his essay on Gandhi—that saints should always be presumed guilty until proved innocent—was drowned in a Niagara of soft-hearted, soft-headed, and uninquiring propaganda.
One of the curses of India, as of other poor countries, is the quack medicine man, who fleeces the sufferer by promises of miraculous healing. Sunday was a great day for these parasites, who saw their crummy methods endorsed by his holiness and given a more or less free ride in the international press. Forgotten were the elementary rules of logic, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. More than that, we witnessed the elevation and consecration of extreme dogmatism, blinkered faith, and the cult of a mediocre human personality. Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of MT: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 11:36:23 AM »
Yeah great,she sucked but Martin Luther King[by the way also not his real name]was out fucking prostitutes and making all kinds of shady deals, we laud him as a saint.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 11:37:49 AM »
TA - seriously, that post was probably one of your worst ever, and that is saying a lot.  

Shame on you.  

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 11:38:07 AM »
Geeze,are you kidding me?Muhamed Ali had a stamp and I refer to him as a "mother fucker" should that have eliminated him?The women dedicated her life to helping the poor and the sick,so shes a religious kook and probably a commie,lets at least admit she did wonderfull work.

A kook and a commie is the guy, Christopher Hitchens, who tried to destroy Mother Teresa's image with nothing but lies and fabrications.

"Hitchens doesn't like rich people (save for those obsessed with guilt and who give to "progressive" causes) and that explains why he doesn't like it when Mother Teresa takes money from the wealthy. But it wouldn't bother Hitchens if she took money from the government, because that would make her a real redistributionist. From this perspective, Robin Hood is a game that only collectivists can play." - William A. Donohue

Hating Mother Teresa
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/hating_mother_teresa.htm

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 11:39:05 AM »
A kook and a commie is the guy, Christopher Hitchens, who tried to destroy Mother Teresa's image with nothing but lies and fabrications.

"Hitchens doesn't like rich people (save for those obsessed with guilt and who give to "progressive" causes) and that explains why he doesn't like it when Mother Teresa takes money from the wealthy. But it wouldn't bother Hitchens if she took money from the government, because that would make her a real redistributionist. From this perspective, Robin Hood is a game that only collectivists can play." - William A. Donohue

Hating Mother Teresa
http://www.catholicleague.org/research/hating_mother_teresa.htm

ROFLMAO@ citing the Catholic League of Donahue


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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 11:40:43 AM »
Mother Theresa was a charlatan.  At least by the end of her life she realized their was no Jesus.

Christopher Hitchens is a charlatan, hateful, obese alcoholic who doesn't get along even with his own brother.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 11:42:33 AM »
ROFLMAO@ citing the Catholic League of Donahue

So?  He exposes all of Christopher Hitchens' lies and fabrications about Mother Teresa.

You took everything that Christopher Hitchens said without even looking at his sources...oh, that's right.  He cited no sources. 

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 11:43:23 AM »
Christopher Hitchens is a charlatan, hateful, obese alcoholic who doesn't get along even with his own brother.

Aeitheists by and large are worse than the "fundies" they so like to mock.  

TA - seriously - shame on you bro.  You really are embarassing yourself.    You live off an inheritance and have the balls to call out a woman who lived in squalor to help people?

WTF is wrong with you?

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 11:44:22 AM »
So?  He exposes all of Christopher Hitchens' lies and fabrications about Mother Teresa.

You took everything that Christopher Hitchens said without even looking at his sources...oh, that's right.  He cited no sources. 
Uh, he wrote a whole volume on Mother Theresa and all of his sources are listed in the book extensively.


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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 11:46:35 AM »
TA - seriously bro - this is why even though I am not religious, I hate the aeithist left wing freak show with a passion far more than the religious right. 


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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 11:47:04 AM »
Just one of many instances of the fraud, Mother Theresa


She also accepted 1.4 million dollars from Charles Keating, involved in the fraud and corruption scheme known as the Keating Five scandal and supported him before and after his arrest. The Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles, Paul Turley, wrote to Mother Teresa asking her to return the donated money to the people Keating had stolen from, one of whom was "a poor carpenter". The donated money was not accounted for, and Turley did not receive a reply.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 11:48:28 AM »

One minute, you have atheists claiming that Mother Teresa was an atheist, herself.

The next minute, you have atheist groups, blubbering that a ROMAN CATHOLIC WOMAN is getting her own stamp?

Do you, TA, realize how silly both you and Hitchens sound, especially here?

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2010, 11:48:57 AM »
TA - seriously bro - this is why even though I am not religious, I hate the aeithist left wing freak show with a passion far more than the religious right. 


What are you talking about?  Mother Theresa it turned out no longer believed in Jesus or god by the time she died.  She is a fraud for many reasons.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 11:49:39 AM »
Uh, he wrote a whole volume on Mother Theresa and all of his sources are listed in the book extensively.

Ha ha ha.  You show me the book cover?   ::)

How about you show me the citations?  Oh, that's right.  His book has no footnotes, no citations of any kind.  It's a gossip book.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 11:50:08 AM »
One minute, you have atheists claiming that Mother Teresa was an atheist, herself.

The next minute, you have atheist groups, blubbering that a ROMAN CATHOLIC WOMAN is getting her own stamp?

Do you, TA, realize how silly both you and Hitchens sound, especially here?

While on one level I dont think TA is a bad person at all, some of these posts are deeply disturbing at least.  

TA - did it ever dawn on you that maybe she gave the money away to the work she was doing?

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 11:53:32 AM »





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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 11:53:56 AM »
Just one of many instances of the fraud, Mother Theresa


She also accepted 1.4 million dollars from Charles Keating, involved in the fraud and corruption scheme known as the Keating Five scandal and supported him before and after his arrest. The Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles, Paul Turley, wrote to Mother Teresa asking her to return the donated money to the people Keating had stolen from, one of whom was "a poor carpenter". The donated money was not accounted for, and Turley did not receive a reply.

In the promotion flyer accompanying the book, the publisher delights in saying that Hitchens outlines Mother Teresa's relationship with "Paul Keating, the man now serving a ten-year sentence for his central role in the United States Savings and Loan scandal." Wrong, the man's name is Charles Keating, but what difference does that make to a publisher unconcerned with verifying the sources of its authors?

Keating gave Mother Teresa one and a quarter million dollars. It does not matter to Hitchens that all of the money was spent before anyone ever knew of his shenanigans. What matters is that Mother Teresa gave to the poor a lot of money taken from a rich guy who later went to jail. But her biggest crime, according to Hitchens, was writing a letter to Judge Lance Ito (yeah, the same one) "seeking clemency for Mr. Keating."

"It would be rather audacious of Mother Teresa if she were to intervene in a trial "seeking clemency" for the accused, unless, of course, she had evidence that the accused was innocent. But she did nothing of the kind: what she wrote to Judge Ito was a reference letter, not a missive "seeking clemency."

"I do not know anything about Mr. Charles Keating's work," Mother Teresa said, "or his business or the matters you are dealing with." She then explains her letter by saying "Mr. Keating has done much to help the poor, which is why I am writing to you on his behalf."

Now why this character reference, written of someone who was presumed innocent at the time, should be grounds for condemnation is truly remarkable. It reveals more about Hitchens than his subject that he brands her letter an appeal for "clemency." It was nothing of the sort, but this matters little to someone filled with rage."

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 11:54:35 AM »
Why does your boy refer to her as "Hell's Angel" if he does not believe in god, heaven or hell to begin with?

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 11:58:21 AM »
Why does your boy refer to her as "Hell's Angel" if he does not believe in god, heaven or hell to begin with?
That was only revealed after she died from her personal notes.  The Documentary was made before then.  Hitchens also addressed her loss of faith when it became known.

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2010, 12:01:03 PM »
One minute, you have atheists claiming that Mother Teresa was an atheist, herself.

The next minute, you have atheist groups, blubbering that a ROMAN CATHOLIC WOMAN is getting her own stamp?

Do you, TA, realize how silly both you and Hitchens sound, especially here?

I too am interested in what TA has to say about this.    

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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2010, 12:02:46 PM »
Watch Donahue, Leader of the Catholic get DESTROYED by Hitchens regarding Mother Theresa the Fraudulent atheist


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Re: Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2010, 12:09:15 PM »
TA - do you actually realize that many of us watch these clips and that they say the exact OPPOSITE of what you claim? 

WTF is wrong with you bro?