Atheist Group Blasts Postal Service for Mother Teresa Stamp

[The True Adonis]

TA - do you actually realize that many of us watch these clips and that they say the exact OPPOSITE of what you claim?  

WTF is wrong with you bro?  

Media processing bias perhaps?  You and others have grave problems in disseminating correct information and I have pointed this out many times in various articles where comprehension was skewed.

Mother Teresa was a fraud in her faith and in her shady dealings.  If anyone else pulled the kind of ponzi scheme in which she did with Keating and Duvalier, they would be facing serious charges and jail time.

[Soul Crusher]

Media processing bias perhaps?  You and others have grave problems in disseminating correct information and I have pointed this out many times in various articles where comprehension was skewed.

Mother Teresa was a fraud in her faith and in her shady dealings.  If anyone else pulled the kind of ponzi scheme in which she did with Keating and Duvalier, they would be facing serious charges and jail time.

Unreal.  "Shady dealings".  You are so clueless its not even worth discussing this with you.  Did it ever dawn on you that perhaps she had given the money away to other charities before she was contacted regarding the matter?   

[MCWAY]

That was only revealed after she died from her personal notes.  The Documentary was made before then.  Hitchens also addressed her loss of faith when it became known.

What she displayed was despair and a crisis in faith. She wasn't the first and won't be the last. That hardly makes her an atheist.

Once again your musings sound utterly ridiculous, especially with this group, whining about her portrait on a stamp, BECAUSE SHE'S CATHOLIC.

[loco]

Media processing bias perhaps?  You and others have grave problems in disseminating correct information and I have pointed this out many times in various articles where comprehension was skewed.

Perhaps it is you, TA, and not 333386 who has grave problems in disseminating correct information.

[The True Adonis]

Unreal.  "Shady dealings".  You are so clueless its not even worth discussing this with you.  Did it ever dawn on you that perhaps she had given the money away to other charities before she was contacted regarding the matter?  

   One of Mother Teresa’s volunteers in Calcutta described her “Home for the Dying” as resembling photos of concentration camps such as Belsen. No chairs, just stretcher beds. Virtually no medical care or painkillers beyond aspirin, and a refusal to take a 15-year-old boy to a hospital. Hitchens adds, “Bear in mind that Mother Teresa’s global income is more than enough to outfit several first class clinics in Bengal. The decision not to do so... is a deliberate one. The point is not the honest relief of suffering, but the promulgation of a cult based on death and suffering and subjection.”
        Then Hitchens notes that Mother Teresa “has checked into some of the finest and costliest clinics and hospitals in the West during her bouts with heart trouble and old age.”
        The author mentions her visit to Haiti and her endorsement of the Duvaliers, the source of much deprivation of the poor in Haiti.

   Also, her acceptance of stolen money from Charles Keating, “now serving a ten-year sentence for his part in the savings and loan scandal.” Keating, a “Catholic fundamentalist”, gave Mother Teresa one and a quarter million dollars and “the use of his private jet.” During the course of Keating’s trial, Mother Teresa wrote Judge Ito asking clemency and asked Ito “to do what Jesus would do.”


   One of the prosecutors in the trial wrote her telling her “of 17,000 individuals from whom Mr. Keating stole $252,000,000.” He added, “You urge Judge Ito to look into his heart--as he sentences Charles Keating--and do what Jesus would do. I submit the same challenge to you. Ask yourself what Jesus would do if he were given the fruits of a crime; what Jesus would do if he were in possession of money that had been stolen; what Jesus would do if he were being exploited by a thief to ease his conscience.” The prosecutor asked her to return the money, and offered to put her “in direct contact with the rightful owners of the property now in your possession.” This supposed paragon of virtue never replied to his letter.
No one knows what happens to the millions of dollars Mother Teresa receives. There is no accounting and no evidence that she has built a hospital or orphanage that reflects modern health and sanitary conditions.

[The True Adonis]

Penn and Teller BULLSHIT! Mother Teresa, Holier than thou!

[pellius]

Sarojini Naidu once remarked about Mahatma Gandhi: “It costs a lot to keep him poor.”

There are many disparaging writings having to do with Gandhi. There are many very complimentary, even hero worship, writings about Ghandhi. Same with Mother Teresa.

We can all use the TA tactic of googling works that support our point of view. TA is a radical secular extremist.

I would have no problem having either Gandhi or Mother Teresa on a stamp. I'm sure if they wanted to put Ayn Rand on a stamp no main stream Christian denomination would give a crap. They have better things to do. If only the radical secularist could find better things to do.

I wonder how much that Atheist group did to help Haiti?
 

[The True Adonis]

Sarojini Naidu once remarked about Mahatma Gandhi: “It costs a lot to keep him poor.”

There are many disparaging writings having to do with Gandhi. There are many very complimentary, even hero worship, writings about Ghandhi. Same with Mother Teresa.

We can all use the TA tactic of googling works that support our point of view. TA is a radical secular extremist.

I would have no problem having either Gandhi or Mother Teresa on a stamp. I'm sure if they wanted to put Ayn Rand on a stamp no main stream Christian denomination would give a crap. They have better things to do. If only the radical secularist could find better things to do.

I wonder how much that Atheist group did to help Haiti?
 

Oh you mean like this one with the several million that this one brought in alone by Richard Dawkins:

http://givingaid.richarddawkins.net/
Non-Believers Giving Aid: a religion-free way to help disaster victims

Spurred by the horrific suffering in Haiti, the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science (RDFRS) has joined forces with 18 other freethought groups or associates, to collect donations to non-religious relief organizations. Those participating are Atheist Alliance International, Atheists Helping the Homeless, Atheists United, The British Humanist Association, Freedom From Religion Foundation, The International Humanist and Ethical Union, James Randi Educational Foundation, Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, New Humanist Magazine, Pharyngula, Rationalist Association, Reasonable New York, The Reason Project, The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, Secular Student Alliance, Skeptics in the Pub, The Skeptic Magazine, The Skeptics Society and Unreasonable Faith.

We have set up a new dedicated bank account and PayPal facility in the new name of Non-Believers Giving Aid. All of the money donated will be distributed to disaster relief.

Clearly the immediate need is for the suffering people of Haiti, and all the money raised by this current appeal will go to that cause, but the new account will remain available for future emergencies too. There are, of course, many ways for you to donate to relief organizations already, but doing it through Non-Believers Giving Aid offers some advantages:

1. 100% of your donation will be go to these charities: PayPal has agreed to waive all fees on Haiti-related donations from January 12th through February 11th. This means that more of your money will reach the people in need.

2. When donating via Non-Believers Giving Aid, you are helping to counter the scandalous myth that only the religious care about their fellow-humans.
It goes without saying that your donations will only be passed on to aid organizations that do not have religious affiliations. In the case of Haiti, the two organizations we have chosen are:
Doctors Without Borders (Médecins sans Frontières)
International Red Cross
You may stipulate using the dropdown menu which of these two organizations you want your donation to go to; otherwise, it will be divided equally between them.

Preachers and televangelists, mullahs and imams, often seem almost to gloat over natural disasters – presenting them as payback for human transgressions, or for ‘making a pact with the devil’. Earthquakes and tsunamis are caused not by ‘sin’ but by tectonic plate movements, and tectonic plates, like everything else in the physical world, are supremely indifferent to human affairs and sadly indifferent to human suffering. Those of us who understand this reality are sometimes accused of being indifferent to that suffering ourselves. Of course the very opposite is the truth: we do not hide behind the notion that earthly suffering will be rewarded in a heavenly paradise, nor do we expect a heavenly reward for our generosity: the understanding that this is the only life any of us have makes the need to alleviate suffering even more urgent. The myth that it is only the religious who truly care is sustained largely by the fact that they tend to donate not as individuals, but through their churches. Non-believers, by contrast, give as individuals: we have no church through which to give collectively, no church to rack up statistics of competitive generosity. Non-Believers Giving Aid is not a church (that’s putting it mildly) but it does provide an easy conduit for the non-religious to help those in desperate need, whilst simultaneously giving the lie to the canard that you need God to be good.

Whether you do it by clicking the PayPal button or by cheque (see below), please help us to help the suffering people of Haiti.
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Donations made via the PayPal button below are still very welcome, and will still make a huge difference to the people of Haiti; but donations by cheque + Gift Aid Declaration will go further still, and we hope that this thought will help to compensate for any inconvenience. Thank you!

[The True Adonis]

Or perhaps you mean the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, run by Atheist Bill Gates and Atheist Warren Buffet.  Which also happens to be THE LARGEST PRIVATE CHARITY in the World.  Thank you Atheists!

The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (B&MGF or the Gates Foundation) is the largest transparently operated[5] private foundation in the world, founded by Bill and Melinda Gates. The foundation is "driven by the interests and passions of the Gates family".[6] The primary aims of the foundation are, globally, to enhance healthcare and reduce extreme poverty, and in America, to expand educational opportunities and access to information technology. The foundation, based in Seattle, Washington, is controlled by its three trustees: Bill Gates, Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett.

[The True Adonis]

Bill Gates PWNS the fraud Mother Teresa.

[The True Adonis]

I love this:

Gates was profiled by Walter Isaacson in a January 13, 1996 TIME MAGAZINE cover story. Here are some excerpts compiled by the Drudge Report:

Isaacson: Isn't there something special, perhaps even divine, about the human soul?

Gates: I don't have any evidence on that.

“Gates face suddenly becomes expressionless,” writes Isaacson, "his squeaky voice turns toneless, and he folds his arms across his belly and vigorously rocks back and forth in a mannerism that has become so mimicked at MICROSOFT that a meeting there can resemble a round table of ecstatic rabbis."

Gates: Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient.  There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.

[Soul Crusher]

Bill Gates PWNS the fraud Mother Teresa.

And guess how he made that kid on money to give away TA?  

[The True Adonis]

Warren Buffett

The multi-billionaire, financier, atheist and business man. The following is taken from--Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist, by Roger Lowenstein (Doubleday, 1995), page 13...


"He did not subscribe to his family's religion. Even at a young age he was too mathematical, too logical, to make the leap of faith.”

“He adopted his father's ethical underpinnings, but not his belief in an unseen divinity.”

[pellius]

TA, you can google all you want but that still doesn't answer the specific question. Anybody can google anything to support their point of view. Should I google the irrefutable evidence that Hitler is alive and well? That we have been invaded by reptilian hybrids? The world will end in 2012? The Jews control the entire world?

For a smug, pretentious, self-absorbed, little dandy you sure are intellectually lazy.

Do you have a problem with Mother Teresa being on a stamp?

BTW, how's your faux British accent coming along? And give my regards to the always lovely Jezebelle (sp?).

[The True Adonis]

TA, you can google all you want but that still doesn't answer the specific question. Anybody can google anything to support their point of view. Should I google the irrefutable evidence and Hitler is alive and well? That we have been invaded by reptilian hybrids? The world will end in 2012? The Jews control the entire world?

For a smug, pretentious, self-absorbed, little dandy you sure are intellectually lazy.

Do you have a problem with Mother Teresa being on a stamp?

BTW, how's your faux British accent coming along? And give my regards to the always lovely Jezebelle (sp?).

Put her on the stamp with a disclaimer that she is a fraud and has allowed and reveled in human suffering as is documented by her Hospices of Death.  She made the Catholic Church that much wealthier as they do not have to disclose what she did with any of the money that was donated.  There is no evidence anything was done with it. None.

[The True Adonis]

TA, you can google all you want but that still doesn't answer the specific question. Anybody can google anything to support their point of view. Should I google the irrefutable evidence that Hitler is alive and well? That we have been invaded by reptilian hybrids? The world will end in 2012? The Jews control the entire world?

For a smug, pretentious, self-absorbed, little dandy you sure are intellectually lazy.

Do you have a problem with Mother Teresa being on a stamp?

BTW, how's your faux British accent coming along? And give my regards to the always lovely Jezebelle (sp?).

You cannot deny the massive Atheist contributions.  In fact, the only reason why you really know anything or have a computer to type on,  is because of us Atheists.  You wouldn`t even have electricity if it weren`t for us.    (Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison)

[Soul Crusher]

Put her on the stamp with a disclaimer that she is a fraud and has allowed and reveled in human suffering as is documented by her Hospices of Death.  She made the Catholic Church that much wealthier as they do not have to disclose what she did with any of the money that was donated.  There is no evidence anything was done with it. None.

Hysterical - yet you campaigned for Obama and dont see him as a fraud despite much more evidence on him.   

[drkaje]

TA, you can google all you want but that still doesn't answer the specific question. Anybody can google anything to support their point of view. Should I google the irrefutable evidence that Hitler is alive and well? That we have been invaded by reptilian hybrids? The world will end in 2012? The Jews control the entire world?

For a smug, pretentious, self-absorbed, little dandy you sure are intellectually lazy.

Do you have a problem with Mother Teresa being on a stamp?

BTW, how's your faux British accent coming along? And give my regards to the always lovely Jezebelle (sp?).

Pellius,

You've pretty much summed up the argument I've been making privately for years. This isn't a dig on TA but he is literally the poster child  for what I call IGS (Internet Genius Syndrome). This syndrome afflicts many a intellectual wannabe and has is spreading faster than AIDS did in the 80's. Basically, there people cannot tell the difference between information and knowledge in the modern, internet age. This means anyone who can google, or cut & paste shit may easily delude themselves into thinking they're smart.

There was a time when people actually studied and researched shit from real books, peer reviewed papers, took classes, gained life experience, and so on.... now all someone needs to do is google, youtube, Wiki, ask Jeeves or whatever to get a barely superficial understanding of any concept and can even choose the point of view they like. Last year someone was claiming there was no possible way hGH could in any way possible be responsible for big bellies. I explained in exhausting detail, down to the basic physiology, three methods by which it was possible/likely but people still kept referencing articles written by guys who take it, LOL!

Arguing, explaining, or whatever with a majority of posters here is a waste of time and this site should be for entertainment purposes only. People with IGS aren't really stupid, in the classic sense, they just can't be educated because feeling right is more important to them than trivial things like facts.

[Fury]

You cannot deny the massive Atheist contributions.  In fact, the only reason why you really know anything or have a computer to type on,  is because of us Atheists.  You wouldn`t even have electricity if it weren`t for us.   (Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison)

This shit always cracks me up. MattC is another abuser of this. Trying to latch onto the accomplishments of someone because you have something in common, i.e. being born white or being atheist.

Einstein put his right sock on first in the morning and I do the same. Thus I deserve some of the credit for his paper on the photoelectric effect.  

[The True Adonis]

Pellius,

You've pretty much summed up the argument I've been making privately for years. This isn't a dig on TA but he is literally the poster child  for what I call IGS (Internet Genius Syndrome). This syndrome afflicts many a intellectual wannabe and has is spreading faster than AIDS did in the 80's. Basically, there people cannot tell the difference between information and knowledge in the modern, internet age. This means anyone who can google, or cut & paste shit may easily delude themselves into thinking they're smart.

There was a time when people actually studied and researched shit from real books, peer reviewed papers, took classes, gained life experience, and so on.... now all someone needs to do is google, youtube, Wiki, ask Jeeves or whatever to get a barely superficial understanding of any concept and can even choose the point of view they like. Last year someone was claiming there was no possible way hGH could in any way possible be responsible for big bellies. I explained in exhausting detail, down to the basic physiology, three methods by which it was possible/likely but people still kept referencing articles written by guys who take it, LOL!

Arguing, explaining, or whatever with a majority of posters here is a waste of time and this site should be for entertainment purposes only. People with IGS aren't really stupid, in the classic sense, they just can't be educated because feeling right is more important to them than trivial things like facts.

Take your stupid bias (stupid because it is meaningless, why are you trying to make this personal?) against me out of the equation and instead focus on the information I presented.

Is any of it incorrect.  If it is, can you show me where and why it is incorrect?  Again, why do you want to make this personal?  All I did was provide the information and my information comes from research, books, first hand accounts, primary and secondary sources.  We just happen to communicate via the internet.

Would you rather me mail you correspondence instead?  You can always PM me your mailing address.  Do you want to discuss this over the phone?  Should I rent out a conference room and have a symposium?  Do you want to meet at the Library of Congress or some other facility?

Exit Question:  How is the same material presented on digital form any different than in paper form.

Also, when you see Obama, Bush or say Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawking giving a lecture on the internet, do you not really think that they are the actual person but some sort of impostor?

Do you not think the Journals uploaded on internet sites are exact copies of paper copies?

You really cannot be this moronic.  Or can you?  I don`t want to presume you are but you are making it difficult to think otherwise.

[The True Adonis]

This shit always cracks me up. MattC is another abuser of this. Trying to latch onto the accomplishments of someone because you have something in common, i.e. being born white or being atheist.

Einstein put his right sock on first in the morning and I do the same. Thus I deserve some of the credit for his paper on the photoelectric effect.  

So you don`t think Science would be any different if scientists were complacent in believing that the Sun revolves around the earth and that it is 6000 years old and miracles are behind all weather events?

If you are religious, you are going to have a pretty skewed view of how and why things occur and will never arrive at an demonstrable, evidence based and logical solution.

I am appalled that you think "God did it" is a viable conclusion to how anything in the Universe operates.

[Fury]

So you don`t think Science would be any different if scientists were complacent in believing that the Sun revolves around the earth and that it is 6000 years old and miracles are behind all weather events?

If you are religious, you are going to have a pretty skewed view of how and why things occur and will never arrive at a evidence based and logical solution.

I am appalled that you think "God did it" is a viable conclusion to how anything in the Universe operates.

I'm actually atheist but what I was focusing on is the fact that you're trying to latch yourself onto the accomplishments of Tesla and Edison when you have absolutely nothing in common with them beyond the fact that you're an atheist. The use of "we" as if you played in a part in their discoveries is pretty funny. 

MattC is notorious for doing this as well.

[pellius]

You cannot deny the massive Atheist contributions.  In fact, the only reason why you really know anything or have a computer to type on,  is because of us Atheists.  You wouldn`t even have electricity if it weren`t for us.    (Nikola Tesla and Thomas Edison)

Doesn't compare to the contritbutions made by religious based groups. Google it.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm actually atheist but what I was focusing on is the fact that you're trying to latch yourself onto the accomplishments of Tesla and Edison when you have absolutely nothing in common with them beyond the fact that you're an atheist. The use of "we" as if you played in a part in their discoveries is pretty funny.  

MattC is notorious for doing this as well.

I just dont get why Aiethists are so rabid on this issue. 

[pellius]

Put her on the stamp with a disclaimer that she is a fraud and has allowed and reveled in human suffering as is documented by her Hospices of Death.  She made the Catholic Church that much wealthier as they do not have to disclose what she did with any of the money that was donated.  There is no evidence anything was done with it. None.

Would you agree to a disclaimer on a MLK stamp? Or the drug abusing Elvis stamp?