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Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« on: February 02, 2010, 05:48:01 AM »
Maybe Brock Lesnar was right  ;D


Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

Mr. Williams, 59, has said nothing of his health in the media. The premier's press secretary confirmed the report Monday evening.

Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

Ms. Dunderdale will become acting premier while Williams is away. He is expected to be away from four to six weeks.

For many, the Premier's need for heart surgery comes as a surprise, especially in light of the fact he is an avid hockey player and has shown no outward signs of illness as of late.

On Friday, Mr. Williams met with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and while speaking to reporters seemed healthy and in good spirits.

A decision to leave Canada for the surgery, especially if it is available here, raises questions about the Premier's confidence in Newfoundland's health care system


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700
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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2010, 06:04:27 AM »
Ironic.  :-X

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 07:31:16 AM »
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Why Hugo? 

Can you back up the eye roll? 

The fact is that if you want excellence, you come tot he USA.  If you want wait lines, mediocre service, and DMV style health care, you go to socialist countries.   

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 02:28:56 PM »

Why Hugo? 

Can you back up the eye roll? 

The fact is that if you want excellence, you come tot he USA.  If you want wait lines, mediocre service, and DMV style health care, you go to socialist countries.   

BUMP FOR THE SOCIALISTS! 

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 04:55:36 PM »
BUMP FOR THE SOCIALISTS! 

Good luck with that. It's all too amusing that major world leaders are always coming to the USA for surgery. Must be because they like dancing with death.  ::)

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 06:06:16 PM »
Good luck with that. It's all too amusing that major world leaders are always coming to the USA for surgery. Must be because they like dancing with death.  ::)

Where is the Luke and The TA on this?

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 06:22:15 PM »
For rich people, hell yes.

But what % of canadians can afford to come here for high end advanced procedures?

LMAO at all the repubs who just know they'll be rich one day ;)

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2010, 06:26:01 PM »
For rich people, hell yes.

But what % of canadians can afford to come here for high end advanced procedures?

LMAO at all the repubs who just know they'll be rich one day ;)

But I thought their health care was supposed to benefit EVERYONE. Why does anyone with money seek treatment elsewhere?

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2010, 06:28:49 PM »
hey, i'm against the obama plan.  But in ANY society, those with the most $ are always going to get advanced options

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2010, 06:30:19 PM »
For rich people, hell yes.

But what % of canadians can afford to come here for high end advanced procedures?

LMAO at all the repubs who just know they'll be rich one day ;)


Thats why people carry health insurance.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 07:14:06 PM »
Where is the Luke and The TA on this?

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Guess the WHO rankings don't mean jackshit all of a sudden.  HAHAHAHAHA

33, Don't look for this thread to be around for too long.  I'm gonna drive Hugo nuts bumping the shit out of it everytime one of those clowns that love throwing the WHO rankings in our faces starts shit talking.  :D

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 07:25:40 PM »

Guess the WHO rankings don't mean jackshit all of a sudden.  HAHAHAHAHA

33, Don't look for this thread to be around for too long.  I'm gonna drive Hugo nuts bumping the shit out of it everytime one of those clowns that love throwing the WHO rankings in our faces starts shit talking.  :D

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 07:45:03 PM »
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Yeah I dont expect those guys to post on this thread.


Can't imagine why not.  Afterall, we rank 37 and Canada ranks 30.  Who in their right mind would go to a country DOWN on the list for their healthcare needs?  Maybe the Premier is under CIA mind control?

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2010, 07:40:27 AM »
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Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

Mr. Williams, 59, has said nothing of his health in the media. The premier's press secretary confirmed the report Monday evening.

Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

Ms. Dunderdale will become acting premier while Williams is away. He is expected to be away from four to six weeks.

For many, the Premier's need for heart surgery comes as a surprise, especially in light of the fact he is an avid hockey player and has shown no outward signs of illness as of late.

On Friday, Mr. Williams met with Prime Minister Stephen Harper and while speaking to reporters seemed healthy and in good spirits.

A decision to leave Canada for the surgery, especially if it is available here, raises questions about the Premier's confidence in Newfoundland's health care system


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700



Where will Americans go, once the Liberals destroy our Health care system ?

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 08:26:17 AM »
Wow, certainly gives more weight to the U.S. doctors being the best.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2010, 08:33:55 AM »


Where will Americans go, once the Liberals destroy our Health care system ?

The James.


Well, if we follow the Premier's example, we have to go 7 countries down on the list.  So, enjoy your flight to Qatar.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 08:34:59 AM »

Well, if we follow the Premier's example, we have to go 7 countries down on the list.  So, enjoy your flight to Qatar.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 08:50:19 AM »
Didn't Italy's Prime Minister (or some other prime time player in their government) come over here, to get some major health-salavaging surgery done?

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 08:51:22 AM »
The only thing that needs to be remembered, is that the very same Liberal Politicians who tried to pass Obama Care into Law, also exempted themselves from ever having to go on it, if it ever did became Law.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 08:52:45 AM »
The only thing that needs to be remembered, is that the very same Politicians who tried to pass Obama Care into Law, also exempted themselves from ever having to go on it, if it ever did became Law.

And the Unions. 

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2010, 12:38:06 PM »
James, that is an important (and completely unacceptible) issue.  If universal healthcare is ever passed, then everyone gets it.  We must insist.

Actually, quite a few world leaders have come to the US for surgeries.  Several middle eastern royalty have come to the Cleveland Clinic for care.  I remember when the royal family of Saudia Arabia came and rented out a whole floor years ago.  My martial arts coach and friend who was a personal trainer got to work with one of the princes when they came to Cleveland.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2010, 04:25:50 PM »
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2514581

Danny Williams could have stayed in Canada for top cardiac care, doctors say

Tom Blackwell, National Post  Published: Tuesday, February 02, 2010

      N.L. Premier Williams set to have heart surgery in U.S.

Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams has caused controversy by seeking cardiac treatment in the United States. Rhonda Hayward/St. John's Telegram Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams has caused controversy by seeking cardiac treatment in the United States.

Danny Williams' decision to seek out heart surgery in the United States may seem like an embarrassing blow to Canadian health care, but cardiac specialists say the Newfoundland Premier could have obtained virtually any heart treatment in his own country, carried out by top-notch doctors.

Long wait times for cardiac surgery were a problem 15 years ago but are generally "a thing of the past" in most parts of Canada, physicians insist. Where queues develop for elective operations, patients are routinely sent to other provinces for speedy care, with their own government's medicare plan picking up the tab, they say.

"Virtually all forms of cardiac surgery are looked after in Canada, and I would say extremely well," said Dr. Chris Feindel, a cardiac surgeon at Toronto's University Health Network. "Personally ... I would have my cardiac surgery done in Canada, no matter what resources I had at my disposal."

In fact, he said, patients from the United States and other countries come to the UHN's Peter Munk Cardiac Centre for valve repairs, a procedure developed by Toronto surgeons. Meanwhile, the death rate after bypass surgery in Ontario is among the lowest in North America, reports the province's Cardiac Care Network.

Kathy Dunderdale, Newfoundland and Labrador's deputy premier, confirmed yesterday the popular Premier, pictured, left for the United States on Monday to undergo heart surgery.

However, Ms. Dunderdale declined to detail his condition or the nature of the treatment he was receiving.

She said the operation is not available in Newfoundland and the decision to go south of the border was made after weeks of consultation with his doctors. Mr. Williams, 60, is expected to make a full recovery, said Ms. Dunderdale.

The spectacle of a prominent Canadian politician seeking out important health care in the U.S. is already being seized upon by opponents of health reform in the States, who tend to portray the proposed changes there as a move toward Canadian-style care.

"What a Newfie Joke!" blared David Horowitz's Newsreal, a conservative blog site. "[Mr. Williams] has so much confidence in his country's compassionate, socially just health care system he's come to the U.S. for heart surgery."

In fact, Newfoundland is able to provide bypasses and other common heart operations at home, but routinely ships patients to Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa for rarer procedures, such as transplants and treatment of congenital heart defects, said Dr. Eric Stone, a St. John's cardiologist.

There are simply not enough cases of that sort for surgeons in Newfoundland to develop the requisite expertise, he said. In 28 years, though, Dr. Stone said he has never had to refer a patient to the U.S.

"What is wrong is to create the impression the Canadian health care system can't take care of things," he said. "To get excited about that makes no sense to me."

Dr. Feindel said he is aware of only a single non-experimental heart operation not available in Canada: one to repair a rare aneurysm in the part of the aorta descending through the chest. While about 11,000 heart surgeries are carried out in Ontario every year, only one or two patients are sent to Baylor University Hospital in Texas to undergo the complex aorta operation, he said.

A half-dozen or so other Ontario patients are sent to the States yearly for emergency heart surgery that is closer at hand in the States because the patient lives near the border, said Kori Kingsbury, CEO of the Cardiac Care Network.

This country's heart care is otherwise on a par with the States, agreed Dr. Blair O'Neill, vice president-elect of the Canadian Cardiovascular Society. "I would say the expertise in Canadian centres is quite high and the type of procedures they do are definitely leading edge," said the Edmonton cardiologist.

The one problem area is in treatment of some heart-rhythm problems. The waits for so-called "ablations" to fix atrial fibrillation -- an abnormal rhythm in the heart's upper chamber -- can stretch to over a year in some parts of the country, said Dr. O'Neill, though the condition is generally not life threatening.

In fact, 99% of people with the problem can be treated easily with inexpensive drugs, and the ablation procedure itself has never been proven effective in a randomized controlled trial, said Dr. Colin Rose, a Montreal cardiologist.

All that being said, heart doctors say there have always been Canadians who, like Mr. Williams, are rich enough that they can choose to get care in the United States at their own expense.

"Having sophisticated, wealthy patients pick the places they want to go is not a new thing," said Dr. Stone. "Someone who has enough money can get on a plane and go anywhere they want for health care."



http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths

Heart disease related deaths per country

# 1    Slovakia:     216 per 100,000 people      
# 2      Hungary:    192.1 per 100,000 people     
# 3      Ireland:    152.6 per 100,000 people     
# 4      Czech Republic:    148.6 per 100,000 people     
# 5      Finland:    143.8 per 100,000 people     
# 6      New Zealand:    127.3 per 100,000 people     
# 7      United Kingdom:    122 per 100,000 people     
# 8      Iceland:    115.4 per 100,000 people     
# 9      Norway:    112.5 per 100,000 people     
# 10      Australia:    110.9 per 100,000 people     
# 11      Sweden:    110.1 per 100,000 people     
# 12      Austria:    109.3 per 100,000 people     
# 13      United States:    106.5 per 100,000 people     
# 14      Germany:    106.1 per 100,000 people     
# 15      Denmark:    105.4 per 100,000 people     
# 16      Canada:    94.9 per 100,000 people

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2010, 06:46:38 PM »
Skeeter ends the thread by introducing a copious dollop of reality.

Good work.


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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2010, 06:48:38 PM »
Danny Williams' decision to seek out heart surgery in the United States may seem like an embarrassing blow to Canadian health care, but cardiac specialists say the Newfoundland Premier could have obtained virtually any heart treatment in his own country, carried out by top-notch doctors.



Yea, if I had egg on my face, I'd be making that claim too.

As for your list, I can agree but that's got nothing to do with medical care.  It has to do with the piss poor eating habits of Americans and our general lack of exercise.  Ever seen those "people of Walmart" threads, lol?  I'm actually surprised we're not higher on that list for heart disease.

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Re: Canadian Premier comes to USA for surgery
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2010, 06:50:26 PM »
Skeeter ends the thread by introducing a copious dollop of reality.

Good work.


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What reality?  That Canada is claiming they can match the US?  Seems to me the Premier feels otherwise...