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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2010, 12:59:48 PM »
Straw - without a doubt you are probably the dumbest poster here.  

For 7 pages many posters, not just myself, have utterly embarassed you on every level and sent you packing to DU and KOS with your fellow communists on this one point which you made Obama.  In spite of that you were completely owned on every level yet dare I say, cling to STRAW MAN arguments as you know where 2-10 will lead you.  

Bro - you have been destroyed in this thread and we have not even gotten to No. 2!  

 

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« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2010, 01:01:57 PM »
Straw - without a doubt you are probably the dumbest poster here.  

For 7 pages many posters, not just myself, have utterly embarassed you on every level and sent you packing to DU and KOS with your fellow communists on this one point which you made Obama.  In spite of that you were completely owned on every level yet dare I say, cling to STRAW MAN arguments as you know where 2-10 will lead you.  

Bro - you have been destroyed in this thread and we have not even gotten to No. 2!  

 


na you pretty much just came with a bunch of far out shit...nothin that said 1+1=2....you got all this "by the way of this and that..this could happen maybe"

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« Reply #177 on: February 04, 2010, 01:04:41 PM »

na you pretty much just came with a bunch of far out shit...nothin that said 1+1=2....you got all this "by the way of this and that..this could happen maybe"

Maybe thats because we dont exactly yet have a full out communist coountry?  However, the examples many of us gave have shown that we are far downb the path of you and I losing our private property rights to the govt. 

That path leads to the complete ownership of private property of the govt, whether it be in real or de facto, purposes. 

For you to not see that is just blinders on your part since you know where this whole list is going and we have not even gotten to the more germain issues.   

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« Reply #178 on: February 04, 2010, 01:06:16 PM »

na you pretty much just came with a bunch of far out shit...nothin that said 1+1=2....you got all this "by the way of this and that..this could happen maybe"

it was more like "1 + 3 - W / 17 = popcorn"

just complete jibberish

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« Reply #179 on: February 04, 2010, 01:07:56 PM »
it was more like "1 + 3 - W / 17 = popcorn"

just complete jibberish

Oh right Straw - because unless something comports with your far left communist views it does not exist.   ::)  ::)

Dumpling myself and others completey destroyed you on this point to where you dont have real private property rights and now you are doing anything possible to avoid moving on to Point No. 2. 

 

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« Reply #180 on: February 04, 2010, 01:12:26 PM »
Maybe thats because we dont exactly yet have a full out communist coountry?  However, the examples many of us gave have shown that we are far downb the path of you and I losing our private property rights to the govt.  

That path leads to the complete ownership of private property of the govt, whether it be in real or de facto, purposes.  

For you to not see that is just blinders on your part since you know where this whole list is going and we have not even gotten to the more germain issues.    

333 - I literally laughed out loud at your first sentence

thanks man - that made my day

Have  you ever considered writing a  book about the slipperly slope from building codes, zoning laws, and lawn maintenace to Communism?  I'm sure it would be fascinating and it would be great to see you on Beck's show doing the Venn Diagram on his chalkboard.  Maybe you can find a way to tie in fluoridation too

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« Reply #181 on: February 04, 2010, 01:14:32 PM »
Oh right Straw - because unless something comports with your far left communist views it does not exist.   ::)  ::)

Dumpling myself and others completey destroyed you on this point to where you dont have real private property rights and now you are doing anything possible to avoid moving on to Point No. 2.  

I'm far left?

that's news to me

the only issue I have with your views is that they make no sense




 

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« Reply #182 on: February 04, 2010, 01:20:28 PM »
Bro - you are so clueless you dont even realize it.  I guess ignorance is truly bliss. 

Dumpling and others, take , myself out of it,  complete destroyed you yet you act blind to the fact that you do dont really own shit and your private property writes are being eroded daily.  We have proved that on the legal front, regulatory front, tax front, etc, and you still cling to your bs beliefs. 

Unreal.  Thats your game, deny deny deny, regardless of the plethora of evidence otherwise.  I'll tell you what, other and I will move on to No. 2 since your idiotic self wont allow you to see what many others have explained to you. 

 


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« Reply #183 on: February 04, 2010, 01:36:14 PM »
Bro - you are so clueless you dont even realize it.  I guess ignorance is truly bliss. 

Dumpling and others, take , myself out of it,  complete destroyed you yet you act blind to the fact that you do dont really own shit and your private property writes are being eroded daily.  We have proved that on the legal front, regulatory front, tax front, etc, and you still cling to your bs beliefs. 

Unreal.  Thats your game, deny deny deny, regardless of the plethora of evidence otherwise.  I'll tell you what, other and I will move on to No. 2 since your idiotic self wont allow you to see what many others have explained to you. 

333 - the problem is that your explanations are NONSENSE

keep giving me absurd explanations and I'll keep telling you the same thing

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« Reply #184 on: February 04, 2010, 01:39:59 PM »
333 - the problem is that your explanations are NONSENSE

keep giving me absurd explanations and I'll keep telling you the same thing

What was nonsense?  We gave you DOZENS of examples and you dismiss every one of them because in your moronic view it does not matter.  WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU BRO? 

GW, a lawyer, agreed with me on my points.

Dumpling, a surveyor of real property, agreed with me on my points.

BodyPro, a buisness owner, agreed with me on my points. 


So tell me Straw, where am I wrong on the specifics?     

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« Reply #185 on: February 04, 2010, 01:56:43 PM »
What was nonsense?  We gave you DOZENS of examples and you dismiss every one of them because in your moronic view it does not matter.  WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU BRO? 
GW, a lawyer, agreed with me on my points. Dumpling, a surveyor of real property, agreed with me on my points. BodyPro, a buisness owner, agreed with me on my points. 
So tell me Straw, where am I wrong on the specifics?     

"Abolition of property in land" = the governments takes complete ownership of all property

It doesn't mean property taxes, building codes or even the very occassional occurence of eminent domain.

"application of all rents of land to public purposes" = the government takes all of your rental income away and puts it in the public coffers

It doesn't mean property taxes, building codes or lawn maintenance
 

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« Reply #186 on: February 04, 2010, 02:02:37 PM »
"Abolition of property in land" = the governments takes complete ownership of all property

It doesn't mean property taxes, building codes or even the very occassional occurence of eminent domain.

"application of all rents of land to public purposes" = the government takes all of your rental income away and puts it in the public coffers

It doesn't mean property taxes, building codes or lawn maintenance
 

Unreal - did you even read the articles I posted or are you such a knee-jerk marxist yourself that you still believe the garbage you read on DU? 

No one said we are a communist nation right bow, but the increasing impositions of the things we all listed are clearly moving us in that direction. 

Again, its a process, not an event.  The govt is not going to overnight declare your property void.  Its doesnt have to do that when it can basicallt control it and exact rent from you now in the form of confiscatory taxes.

Seriously, what is wrong with you bro?   

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« Reply #187 on: February 04, 2010, 02:17:57 PM »
Unreal - did you even read the articles I posted or are you such a knee-jerk marxist yourself that you still believe the garbage you read on DU?  No one said we are a communist nation right bow, but the increasing impositions of the things we all listed are clearly moving us in that direction.  Again, its a process, not an event.  The govt is not going to overnight declare your property void.  Its doesnt have to do that when it can basicallt control it and exact rent from you now in the form of confiscatory taxes.
 Seriously, what is wrong with you bro?   

on "abolition of real property in land" and all you cited was eminent domain which I pointed out has existed since the beginning of our country (prior to communism), is very very rare, and certainly doesn't rise to the defintion "abolition of real property in land"

on "application of all rents to public purposes you've cited property tax which is not the same thing as rents and certainly not the same thing as "all rents" and you know full well that's not what the statement is referring to.   After that you veer off on building codes, zoning requirements and lawn maintenance and I think you threw Cap and Trade in there too


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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2010, 02:24:38 PM »
on "abolition of real property in land" and all you cited was eminent domain which I pointed out has existed since the beginning of our country (prior to communism), is very very rare, and certainly doesn't rise to the defintion "abolition of real property in land"

on "application of all rents to public purposes you've cited property tax which is not the same thing as rents and certainly not the same thing as "all rents" and you know full well that's not what the statement is referring to.   After that you veer off on building codes, zoning requirements and lawn maintenance and I think you threw Cap and Trade in there too



1.  No, re - read the thread as far as aboltion of property rights.  That was not the only example we gave. 

2.  Yes, property tax is the same thing as rent.  You dont pay your tax you are evicted.  The money is going to the govt no? 

3.  All of the items I listed are clear impostitions of control by the govt over your alleged property you think you own.  The second you do anything the govt says you cant and you lose your property or have a mark on the title or a lien of some sort. 

What is so damn hard for you to grasp in this.

I have come to the conclusion that you are either hopelessly ignorant or just being disagreeable because you dont want to concede a point to anyone. 

There is no other conclusion in the fac of such overwhelming evidence others and myself have presented.         

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« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2010, 02:33:40 PM »
Ok- we could have ended this thread 6 hours ago based on Straws last stand posted above.

Obviously, this country is not a Communist Oligarchy. 333 never said it was. You posted 10 points and asked 333 to address them. He has ad nauseum.

Your last response illustrates that no matter how 333 responds, you will be convinced he lost the argument because  he cannot show definitively that this country is completely communist right now. However, that was not the question that was posed when this thread began.  333 and others have said repeatedly that this country is moving toward communism because of the governments excessive involvement in private industry and the continual erosion of the individuals property rights by the state.

Here is one of many examples that explain what 333 is talking about-Has eminent domain always existed ( in constitution)? Yes. In recent years has it been repeatedly abused by the government? Absolutely.  Does this help 333's argument---- Yes, which is why you are tripping over your shoelaces in semantics instead of addressing his point.

So, to recap; No America is not a communist country, but the expansion of government under the current administration ( and previous ones as well) is moving us in that direction. Case closed.



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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2010, 02:37:01 PM »
1.  No, re - read the thread as far as aboltion of property rights.  That was not the only example we gave. 

2.  Yes, property tax is the same thing as rent.  You dont pay your tax you are evicted.  The money is going to the govt no? 

3.  All of the items I listed are clear impostitions of control by the govt over your alleged property you think you own.  The second you do anything the govt says you cant and you lose your property or have a mark on the title or a lien of some sort. 

What is so damn hard for you to grasp in this.

I have come to the conclusion that you are either hopelessly ignorant or just being disagreeable because you dont want to concede a point to anyone. 

There is no other conclusion in the fac of such overwhelming evidence others and myself have presented.         

what was your other point beside Eminent Domain

Rent is charged by owners to tenants

Property tax is not rent but if you want to play semantic games that's fine.  If I don't occuppy my property then how can tax = rent?  

Moreover property tax in the US precedes Communism so by that standard we've been sliding toward Communism since before it existed.......and it's taking a pretty fucking long time to get here too.   Again, that's all based on your silly belief that property tax = "application of all rents of land to public purposes"

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2010, 02:40:02 PM »
The Ten Planks of Communism
By Nickolie Greer
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160 Years ago in 1848, a man named Carl Marx decided to enter a competition which was sponsored by the Socialist Union in Paris, France. Carl Marx called his submission The Communist Manifesto and within this manifesto Marx wrote down 10 Planks. These 10 Planks are the basic building blocks to a perfect Communist society. In this article I will go through each plank and ask to see if you personally are practicing any of them. Try to rate yourself and see what percentage of communism you are practicing. Most Americans are practicing Communism and they don't even know it. Carl Mark's Communist Manifesto did win the competition.

The First Plank

This one is pretty simple it calls for: Abolition of property in land, and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Lets find out if this is going on right here in America today. Within the state of Idaho, 64% of the land is held in a 'trust' the public either by the state or federal governments. And if you try or any citizens of Idaho decide to use the land, we will have to find the appropriate government agency and rent the property or pay the government royalties on anything that we wish to remove from it.

And were dose this money go to, it goes in to the states or federal treasury. Do you have something like this in the state in which you live in? Also, with the rental of public lands, we have taxes on private property. Staying with Idaho, if the 64% is under public policy, that means only 36% has to be held in private property right. I wouldn't bet on it, The state then levies a property tax (ad valorem tax), on the so called private land, and guess what happens if you don't pay this tax.

The property then goes into foreclosure and is sold on the court house steps. So the state is going to get there money one way or another. If you don't pay it, then you lose your property. To me it sounds like the term "property owner" really means in law "property renter"? Do you have something like this in your state? If you do then you are at least one tenth communist.

So what is the conclusion, it comes down to this. Americans have lost there right to hold property in Allodial freehold. And now we only hold it in feudal serfs living on the governments land and paying are fees.

And for those of you who ask how things should be, let me give you a quote from scripture. In Leviticus 25:23 you'll find "The land shall not be sold forever, for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me". This is totally different from government agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) & Bureau of Land Management (BLM) using the power of eminent domain to take property.


The Second Plank

If we take a look at the second plank in the Communist Manifesto, you will read: A heavy and progressive, or graduated income tax. Now I don't think I need to explain this one, but for the people who I do need to here it goes. In 1913, Congress passed the 16th Amendment to the US Constitution, creating the federal income tax along with creating the Federal Reserve System, but more on this in the Fifth Plank.

The Federal Government and the States, with exception of 5 (at last count) are imposing a form of income tax. And the opposite again can be found in the Scripture. In Malichi 3:8-12 reads: "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes unto the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of host, if I will not open you to the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to received it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of Host". Now that's a big difference in filling out and filling out your 1040 Form with the IRS.
Do you pay the income tax in the place in which you live? If so then you are at lest two tenths communist.

The Third Plank

The third plank is a short one it only reads: Abolition of all rights of inheritance. A lot of us will say that this one is in force today, because you still get the people who just recently died left them all there money. But my question is this. How much they leave you and how much went to the state? What is the reason why the states get anything? They didn't know the recently deceased.

Here is the reason, the state gets into the picture is the result of a marriage license. Have you ever heard of the saying "Read the Contract", well did you read it, I didn't think so. When somebody signs a marriage license, you are entering into a 3 party limited general partnership. The 3 people are you, the wife or husband and the State and you all are equal partners in this contract.

Now over the life of this contract, the active parties, the wife and husband work and create and produce things. You know things like money, children and all the stuff you have laying around in your house. And then that one day comes and your spouse dies and after the funeral, You have to decide what you have to do.

When the death certificate comes around you usually see someone from the State comes and knocks on your door asking for there part of the inheritance tax. Now what they are really asking for is the third plank, asking for there share of the inheritance. See you and the state are still in a partnership and this agreement hasn't be dissolved, and the state wants out, so you have to buy them out. The state role is it pays for the kid's education, school lunches.

Things like the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC). So the state has done there part in making sure the partnership is working and they want a third of everything. If you look at each state law you will see that the inheritance tax is around 28% to 35% or a third.

The Fourth Plank

Going on the fourth plank, when you read it you will see: Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. This one might confuse some people, so Ill give you time to think about it...Got it yet. Alright ill give you a hint have you ever heard of Waco, Ruby Ridge or the Montana Freemen.
If you have then you will understand out the Fourth plank is in full force today here in America. The state using Policing power and means that if you get hostile and belligerent to the government, they can not only take everything you own away from, and in most cases imprison you.

The Fifth Plank

The fifth plank is a big one, it reads: A Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. Now contrary to popular believe, The Federal Reserve is a Central Bank, don't believe me, go to there home page and read there header.
Also what most people don't understand that the Federal Reserve has nothing to do with the Federal Government? It is a Private bank and is owned by the top banks like JP Morgan & the Rothschild Family and others. And it is run for profit not for a stable economy growth. Furthermore, do you think it is real money that you have. Its not, Article 1 Sec. 10 of the U.S. Constitution reads;

"No state shall ...; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts;"
So here in America, only gold & silver is a payment of debt at law. So what are these things we use? They are called Federal Reserve Notes. And these notes is what called a bill of credit and these Federal Reserve Notes no not pay a debt at law. What Federal Reserve Notes do is they discharge the debt; it passes on the debt to the Federal Reserve. Think of them as IOU issued out by a private bank.

So think about it, have you every use gold to buy something. No, well then you are practicing the first plank to the Communist Manifesto. See 1st plank. You don't own anything, which is why the Federal Reserve can do this.

They do, because they are the issuer of the note. Here in America we have a dual monetary system, one in which everything is on credit, the one that everybody uses and the second one that under the Constitution a bimetallism monetary system. So the bottom line is, if you want to own something here in America, you have to pay for it in gold or silver, you can not use Federal Reserve Notes.

The Sixth Plank

The Sixth Plank Reads: Centralization of Means of Communication and Transport in the hands of the State. Have you figured this one out yet. Well if you have a Drivers licenses and have to register your vehicle then you practicing the sixth plank. Although it is private transportation it is still regulated by the state.

They make the rules you follow them. But if we look at public transportation, thinks like planes, trains & the bus system. Aren't they regulated by the government? What about the Centralization of Communication in the hands of the State.

Well you might now them as the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). They have total control over what goes over the TV, radio & newspapers. Have you ever read Executive Order #10995 & #10999. These give the government direct control over all transportation and the media.

The Seventh Plank

Going on to the seventh plank, this one is complex and it reads: Extension of factories and instrument of production owned by the State. The Bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Wow, I bet you are saying we don't have any we don't have any factories own by the state like Communist Russia do we?

Here we have big companies like GM, Ford, US Steel, Wal-Mart or Microsoft and they are privately owned. Well you might want to take another look. Every factory or business operates and exists on the vote of the Government. Though getting the business licenses and follow its regulations and on its activities they return a portion of the proceeds, we call it taxes. To me that qualifies ownership.

Over the last 150 years corporations have expanded immensely. And to the cultivation of wastelands, have you see the Colorado damn. While they do produce and product called electricity. All you have to do is ask any farmer what the purpose for. They will say it's for water irrigation. The improvement of soil generally with a common plan. Here in America we call it the Agricultural Stabilization Center (ASC)?

If you live in a rural city then you have probably heard of them. How many farmers to you think have taken hand outs and participated in theses government programs.

Well it looks like the Seventh Plank is alive in America today.

The Eighth Plank

Take a look at the Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. This idea of being a good citizen means you have to have a job and pay taxes. I can't for the life of me think why anybody would want a job. Now I'm not saying that the idea of work is wrong.

Work should be your closes friend. But what the government is implementing is that you have to work on their terms. You must have a Social Security number, you have to have insurance and you must file a 1040 form eve April 15th. So what are industrial armies? Way back in the 1930s and look at the Civilian Conservations Corps (CCC), today it's called Americorps?

Do you have a Social Security Number, Well I hate to say it but your are practicing the eighth plank.

The Ninth Plank

Now the ninth plank is kind of ambitious and it reads: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries with a gradual abolition of the distinction between cities and country by an equitable distribution of population over the country.

Let's break this down into two parts. First is easy and simple, have you heard of Archer Daniel Midland, it's the world largest agricultural processors of soybeans, corn, wheat and cocoa. Between the multinational agri-conglomerates and the factories farms we all see. Now the second part is difficult to understand.

Many people think that this part hasn't been implemented here in the USA. You might want to look again. During the 1920s the US population was around 100 Million and the majority around 44 million of them were living on the farm. So 44% of the population lived on farms and were self-standing.

Over the years though millions of American now life in cities and towns. Only about 4 percent of the total population lives on farms now. That is the gradual abolition of distinction between cities and country part.

The Tenth Plank

Finally we get to the tenth plank which calls for: Free education for all children in public school and abolition of children's factory labor in its present form; combination of education with industrial production. So I have to ask, did you go to public school, do you have kids that are attending public school.
Even school that you might think are private, if they accept government money, they have to do what the government says so they become public schools aswhile. Now the first public school started in the 1830s and even by World War I, many of public school weren't common outside the big cities and towns.

And now they are everywhere, in every city no matter how big. And for the abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. That was gone before WWI, they just shipped it overseas. We are following the Japanese's and the Germans, where you have to take tests to see what you have learned. And if you don't get good grades, you are doomed to work at places like Mc Donald's and settle with low pay.

We call that home schooling. Instead of taking 30 to 50 kids and putting them in a classroom and testing them to death, with a underpaid babysitter to watch them. It seems like the 10th plank is alive a well here in America.

So in spirit of the 10th plank, let's take a test. For each plank that you participate in or which affect you, give yourself 10 points. Now I'll bet you will not give yourself a 100. But I'm willing to bet that you have at least 50 points or more. But if you think about it, if you get any points at all, that means that you are a practicing communist. I don't think you realized that, it's just were the rubber meets the road.

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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #192 on: February 04, 2010, 02:42:40 PM »
what was your other point beside Eminent Domain

Rent is charged by owners to tenants

Property tax is not rent but if you want to play semantic games that's fine.  If I don't occuppy my property then how can tax = rent?  

Moreover property tax in the US precedes Communism so by that standard we've been sliding toward Communism since before it existed.......and it's taking a pretty fucking long time to get here too.   Again, that's all based on your silly belief that property tax = "application of all rents of land to public purposes"


Clueless on so many levels.  Read GW's post. 

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« Reply #193 on: February 04, 2010, 02:52:57 PM »
Ok- we could have ended this thread 6 hours ago based on Straws last stand posted above.

Obviously, this country is not a Communist Oligarchy. 333 never said it was. You posted 10 points and asked 333 to address them. He has ad nauseum.

Your last response illustrates that no matter how 333 responds, you will be convinced he lost the argument because  he cannot show definitively that this country is completely communist right now. However, that was not the question that was posed when this thread began.  333 and others have said repeatedly that this country is moving toward communism because of the governments excessive involvement in private industry and the continual erosion of the individuals property rights by the state.
Here is one of many examples that explain what 333 is talking about-Has eminent domain always existed ( in constitution)? Yes. In recent years has it been repeatedly abused by the government? Absolutely.  Does this help 333's argument---- Yes, which is why you are tripping over your shoelaces in semantics instead of addressing his point.

So, to recap; No America is not a communist country, but the expansion of government under the current administration ( and previous ones as well) is moving us in that direction. Case closed.

addressing it is one thing but that doesn't mean I've got to believe his nonsense

Eminnet Domain has existed since the country has existed so by that silly standard we've been slipping towards towards communism since the late 1700's

a few eminent domain cases (very very very few) does not equal"Abolition of property in land".  Am I really supposed to be worried about communism because the federal government occassionally forces the sale of private property to build a road, airport etc...?

the few notable cases in recent years had private proprty being given to another private party (or group) so how is that abolition of real property in land when another private party now owns it.  The whole ED argument is nonsense.  You might have a point if it happend all the time but its very very rare and allowed for in the 5th ammendment to the Constitution so I guess we've been a Communist country since the beginning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

In the US, eminent domain (ED) first became law via the 5th Amendment and, to a lesser extent, the 3rd Amendment to the US Constitution. During the Revolutionary War, due to a lack of facilities such as tents, soldiers forcibly sought housing in whatever homes were near their military assignments. The 3rd Amendment was enacted in 1791 as part of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights. It provided that the quartering of soldiers on private property could not take place in peacetime without the landowner's consent. It also required that, during wartime, established law had to be followed in housing troops on private property. Presumably, this would mandate "just compensation", a requirement for the exercise of eminent domain in general per the 5th Amendment to the Constitution [2] In addition, all US states have legislation defining ED procedures within their respective territories.[3]

The most common reason ED is exercised in the US is for building new or larger roadways, airports or government buildings.

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« Reply #194 on: February 04, 2010, 02:55:39 PM »
Straw you said you have family in dallas, try do do the things i list below with the things you think you own
-park YOUR CAR anywhere on YOUR property that isnt paved
-park YOUR box trailer in YOUR back yard, even with a privacy fence,
-let YOUR grass on YOUR protery get too high
-let YOUR trash cans get too full
- add onto YOUR existing fence
-keep too many of YOUR pets in YOUR house
- dont keep YOUR property up to government standard
-put in a pool YOU pay for
- in some areas cut down trees on YOUR property
- park too many cars in YOUR driveway
AND THE GOVERNMENT IS MAKING IT MORE HARD TO DO ANYTHING WITH YOUR OWN PROPERTY, BUT EASIER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE YOUR SHIT, NO WE ARENT COMMUNIST , BUT IT STARTS WITH LIL THINGS LIKE THESE, THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT GUESS WHAT

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« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2010, 02:57:22 PM »
addressing it is one thing but that doesn't mean I've got to believe his nonsense

Eminnet Domain has existed since the country has existed so by that silly standard we've been slipping towards towards communism since the late 1700's

a few eminent domain cases (very very very few) does not equal"Abolition of property in land".  Am I really supposed to be worried about communism because the federal government occassionally forces the sale of private property to build a road, airport etc...?

the few notable cases in recent years had private proprty being given to another private party (or group) so how is that abolition of real property in land when another private party now owns it.  The whole ED argument is nonsense.  You might have a point if it happend all the time but its very very rare and allowed for in the 5th ammendment to the Constitution so I guess we've been a Communist country since the beginning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

In the US, eminent domain (ED) first became law via the 5th Amendment and, to a lesser extent, the 3rd Amendment to the US Constitution. During the Revolutionary War, due to a lack of facilities such as tents, soldiers forcibly sought housing in whatever homes were near their military assignments. The 3rd Amendment was enacted in 1791 as part of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights. It provided that the quartering of soldiers on private property could not take place in peacetime without the landowner's consent. It also required that, during wartime, established law had to be followed in housing troops on private property. Presumably, this would mandate "just compensation", a requirement for the exercise of eminent domain in general per the 5th Amendment to the Constitution [2] In addition, all US states have legislation defining ED procedures within their respective territories.[3]

The most common reason ED is exercised in the US is for building new or larger roadways, airports or government buildings.


But for your ignorance, this could have been a decent thread.  GW owned you, I owned you, dumpling owned you, bodypro owned you, etc.  

As for ED, you are clueless on the recent jurisprudence on that so dont even go there and as act as though the KELO decision didnt happen and has been upheld in other courts.  

Typical STRAW MAN arguments you offer and little else.  

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« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2010, 02:59:58 PM »
try to add a room onto YOUR house without permission from the government
try to put a sprinkler system in YOUR lawn
 I CAN GO ON FOREVER WITH EXAMPLES LIKE THIS  and i havent even started on what the government can do to YOUR business YOU think YOU may own in america

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« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2010, 03:01:13 PM »
try to add a room onto YOUR house without permission from the government
try to put a sprinkler system in YOUR lawn

Body - I have presented so much evidence that I could win a criminal trial, let alone a civil trial on this matter, 

I cant wait till we move to No. 2. 

Straw will get utterly decimated on that one. 

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« Reply #198 on: February 04, 2010, 03:02:56 PM »
the scary part of this is that people like straw probably vote

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« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2010, 03:05:20 PM »
heres a good one for straw....   spank YOUR  child or YOUR dog and look what the government can do