Bodybuilders and Motorcycles

[newmom]

bawawa thanks Mr. tan is coming in good aint it...oh man the sun was strong on that long ass ride but soooo much fun

[Mr Nobody]

bawawa thanks Mr. tan is coming in good aint it...oh man the sun was strong on that long ass ride but soooo much fun

How many times did you stop each way? I think you told us it was like a 90 minute ride...

[newmom]

How many times did you stop each way? I think you told us it was like a 90 minute ride...

we stopped once on the way up..that was it

[Mr Nobody]

we stopped once on the way up..that was it

Damn you are tough I cant ride that long without like 3 stops. These people that ride all over the country fucking amaze me.

[Les Grossman]

And like all good Harley stories.....we know how they end.
 

[Les Grossman]

PIG

Silence peasant....

[Mr Nobody]

And like all good Harley stories.....we know how they end.
 

Les are you saying Japanese bikes own Harley's? Now on a flat track Harley's rule but on a track like Daytona or others on the series Harley's dont stand a chance. Why is this honest question.

[Les Grossman]

Les are you saying Japanese bikes own Harley's? Now on a flat track Harley's rule but on a track like Daytona or others on the series Harley's dont stand a chance. Why is this honest question.

Depends on what you're looking to do...

For flat tracking the Harley XR750's pulsed power delivery is advantageous to traction. Others can and do mimic it (Aprilia, Suzuki, and now Ducati). Over the years many people have felt the AMA have "tweaked" their flat track rules to benefit HD. Yamaha and Honda both quit the Series for that very reason. In the old Grand National Series days the disciplines were combined and an overall title was awarded....so the roadracers and flattrackers had to ride across disciplines to win an overall title. That is why the most famous group of American roadracers had flat track backgrounds. A true XR750 is one of the purest forms of race bike....140 mph into turns with basically no brakes. For the 1/2 mile and mile races having huge HP is not a major concern if you can't put the power to the ground.

At Daytona....the "roval" type track is really one big dynamometer. HP rules on the high banks and a true Harley (air-cooled, push rod engine, big twin) just doesn't have the power (HP for a given displacement) to be competitive. The new Buells are close - under "tweaked" AMA rules. On road courses the Harley VR1000 was overweight and underpowered. I'm pretty sure HD could build a competitive race bike for roadracing IF they wanted to commit the resources to it. This really isn't their market niche and it would be prohibitively expensive to take on the Japanese and Italian manufacturers at their game.

For taking a bike down to the local establishment for a beer and a burger...HD corners that market and does so at a much higher profit level than the 600 cc sport bike market could ever return.

[newmom]

Silence peasant....

make me

[Mr Nobody]

Depends on what you're looking to do...

For flat tracking the Harley XR750's pulsed power delivery is advantageous to traction. Others can and do mimic it (Aprilia, Suzuki, and now Ducati). Over the years many people have felt the AMA have "tweaked" their flat track rules to benefit HD. Yamaha and Honda both quit the Series for that very reason. In the old Grand National Series days the disciplines were combined and an overall title was awarded....so the roadracers and flattrackers had to ride across disciplines to win an overall title. That is why the most famous group of American roadracers had flat track backgrounds. A true XR750 is one of the purest forms of race bike....140 mph into turns with basically no brakes. For the 1/2 mile and mile races having huge HP is not a major concern if you can't put the power to the ground.

At Daytona....the "roval" type track is really one big dynamometer. HP rules on the high banks and a true Harley (air-cooled, push rod engine, big twin) just doesn't have the power (HP for a given displacement) to be competitive. The new Buells are close - under "tweaked" AMA rules. On road courses the Harley VR1000 was overweight and underpowered. I'm pretty sure HD could build a competitive race bike for roadracing IF they wanted to commit the resources to it. This really isn't their market niche and it would be prohibitively expensive to take on the Japanese and Italian manufacturers at their game.

For taking a bike down to the local establishment for a beer and a burger...HD corners that market and does so at a much higher profit level than the 600 cc sport bike market could ever return.

Great explanation. So summary is Harley has no interest in "roval" type racing because the market isnt there. It's just amazing that they still dominate short flat tracks I guess the Japs and Italians arent that interested in that venue so its like a stand off.

[Les Grossman]

Objects in Rear View Mirror Are Smaller Than They Appear.

[newmom]

Objects in Rear View Mirror Are Smaller Than They Appear.

omg LMAO

[Les Grossman]

Great explanation. So summary is Harley has no interest in "roval" type racing because the market isnt there. It's just amazing that they still dominate short flat tracks I guess the Japs and Italians arent that interested in that venue so its like a stand off.

Harley no longer needs to roadrace - for companies like Ducati racing is in their DNA.
For HD the cost of competitive entry into the sportbike market would be considerable.
Having a HD sportbike line would alienate the "true Harley faithful" - see the liquid cooled VRod.
HD dominate in flat track by favorable rules.....and those crazy goddamn hillbillies are only interested in American iron. 
Roadracing = huge in Europe, small following here.
Flat track = exists in pockets of America, non-existent in the rest of the world.

I believe that if American engineering wanted to build a sportbike to take on the big four they could.

[Mr Nobody]

Harley no longer needs to roadrace - for companies like Ducati racing is in their DNA.
For HD the cost of competitive entry into the sportbike market would be considerable.
Having a HD sportbike line would alienate the "true Harley faithful" - see the liquid cooled VRod.
HD dominate in flat track by favorable rules.....and those crazy goddamn hillbillies are only interested in American iron. 
Roadracing = huge in Europe, small following here.
Flat track = exists in pockets of America, non-existent in the rest of the world.

I believe that if American engineering wanted to build a sportbike to take on the big four they could.

Agreed on all this however I'm Hillbilly that likes flat track racing which HD dominates but I ride a Yahmaha insanity will rule the world

[Les Grossman]

Agreed on all this however I'm Hillbilly that likes flat track racing which HD dominates but I ride a Yahmaha insanity will rule the world

Yamaha Maxim (XJS650) flat track bobber with a Moto-Guzzi tank.

[Les Grossman]

Yamaha

[Les Grossman]

Yamaha Maxim 650

[Mr Nobody]

Yamaha Maxim (XJS650) flat track bobber with a Moto-Guzzi tank.

Dude I have a XJS650 its original needs restored damn fine pic gives me ideas. The one I ride is a XJ1100 the pic is at the start of the thread..thanks for posting this.

[Les Grossman]

omg LMAO

 

[chaos]

I bet you're the type of person that wears the skull face bandana when you think it's cold.

 

[newmom]

I bet you're the type of person that wears the skull face bandana when you think it's cold.

 

omg NOOOOOOOOO I just have alot of bandanas because I also wear them to the gym..stupid ass

[chaos]

omg NOOOOOOOOO I just have alot of bandanas because I also wear them to the gym..stupid ass

Rookie.

[newmom]

Rookie.

wrong again dumbass, ugh helmets are horrific on the hair, so Id rather wear the bandana under the helmet

[Mr Nobody]

omg NOOOOOOOOO I just have alot of bandanas because I also wear them to the gym..stupid ass

Get a skull and cross bones to wear on PMS days on the bike I hope this helps.

[Les Grossman]

Dude I have a XJS650 its original needs restored damn fine pic gives me ideas. The one I ride is a XJ1100 the pic is at the start of the thread..thanks for posting this.

1975 XS650 flat tracker conversion.....now get to it.