Arnold Classic - Roelly Winklaar 4 Weeks Out

[Van_Bilderass]

all pine and small press

[Parker]

LFZ . . . Lat Free Zone.

To even suggest this guy as a pro level back is foolish. And his calves are sub-par.

THE BEEF

His back is better than the current Mr. Olympia, Nasser's, and a boatload of other "Pros".

[DroppingPlates]

I was waiting for you to say that word "inner" chest....

Droppingplates and Sibil: the whole dutch community should be attacking you for mentioning the word "inner chest"
Milos, Charles Glass and Chris Thib got ridiculed for years for saying "inner chest", but the dutch internet guys know that that doesn't exist in science.

Some words of advise for Sibil, Milos, Charles and Christian, now that supertrainer oma is also using "inner" chest exercises, people?

Anatomy-wise I agree that there isn't something like a "inner chest" muscle, but only the Pectoralis Major & Minor. But from my own experience I can tell you that performing a press or fly with a lockout wider than the delts results in more pain in the outer zone (pec minor) while a machine flye, small grip barbell/dumbell/cable press with a lockout above the center of the chest results in more pain in the inner area of the chest.

BTW, I have no connections with the Dutch BB community since thats full of trash people 

[DroppingPlates]

Ever tried Thibs cable/dbell presses? Exercise C of all 3 schedules (especially C from the first schedule):
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/hss100_chest_specialization

Oma, ideetje voor Roelly?

Hey, thats a interesting one. An exercise like this could give gravity(dumbells) & a squeeze effect(cables). T-nation has a lot of interesting articles, haven't been there for a while.

[mantronik]

BTW, I have no connections with the Dutch BB community since thats full of trash people  

Haha, not all are bad.

What gets to me is that when Milos, Charles Glass, Chris Thib or somebody else writes/speaks about inner chest they want to see a source and proof it and this and that and they come with 200 research documents to proof their point that it's not possible.
But when one of their gurus (Rinus, oma) brings forward a giant like Roelly then the same inner chest exercise is gold!!

[mantronik]

Hey, thats a interesting one. An exercise like this could give gravity(dumbells) & a squeeze effect(cables). T-nation has a lot of interesting articles, haven't been there for a while.

Because the weight of the cables keep pulling your arms outward your pecs are tensed all the time, no time/position to rest/relax on the top of the movement.
It's a killer for true!

[mantronik]

And his calves are sub-par.

Calves subpar? Ronnie Coleman won 8 Sandows with worse calves then Roelly and Dex won 1 Sandow.  JOJ won some pro shows and so did Melvin Anthony and Dennis Wolf.
Roelly's calves are better then all these guys' calves.
Did Branch place 2nd at the O because of his calves or because of his back?

So: do calves really matter in your criticism/opinion?

Melvin won last night. No complaints about his calves?
Still think Roelly's calves are not good enough?

[DroppingPlates]

Haha, not all are bad.

Well that's fortunately true, but as a "gym rat" & formal trainer/show visitor I see a lot of dumb, rude & narcissistic people in this subculture; not my cup of tea  

What gets to me is that when Milos, Charles Glass, Chris Thib or somebody else writes/speaks about inner chest they want to see a source and proof it and this and that and they come with 200 research documents to proof their point that it's not possible.
But when one of their gurus (Rinus, oma) brings forward a giant like Roelly then the same inner chest exercise is gold!!

From my observations, I think the Dutch (or maybe European) style is more practical based (read: amateuristic) while the US style is more scientific based (read: professional). Most gym visitors over here are both mental and physical lazy. They want a training/diet schedule that "works" (whatever you define that) and don't care about the rationale behind it  

[sibil]

Interesting choose of exercises and good variation I see. Does Roellie also trains this way during his offseason?

A suggestion. Lying cable presses with a double small cable pulley burns my inner chest to the max.

offseason he has diffrent exercise

[EL Mariachi]

offseason he has diffrent exercise

roelly ziet er goed uit 2 weeks out, verwacht je dat ie in top 10 komt als je vergelijkt met concurrentie?
weet niet wie allemala meedoet maar top 6 moet kunnen. klopt t dat roelly in 2003 is begonnen met trainen?
zijn er fotos hoe die eruit zag voor ie begon te trainen, wel veel spieren in maar 7 jaar.
hoe ziet de cycle eruit?  bedankt oma

[mantronik]

Oma gaat echt geen cycles hier neerzetten Mariachi, vooral niet op deze site.
Zelf denk ik dat als de jury naar lichamen gaat kijken ipv namen dat een top 5 in zijn pro debuut in een show van zulk hoog caliber er in moet zitten, MITS hij zijn presentatie voor elkaar heeft want dat laat nog steeds te wensen over.
Ik had hem uitgenodigd om naar Aruba te komen toen Milos daar was begin september maar hij liet niets van zich horen. Had een goede school voor zijn poseren kunnen zijn, maar meneer is een beetje koppig

[DroppingPlates]

Lichtelijk naief om een kuurschema te vragen via het web  

Ik verwacht dat Roellie net binnen of buiten de top10 zal vallen. Zijn rug is zeker beter geworden (lees: meer wijdte), maar qua proporties staan er straks betere deelnemers dan hem op de AC. Had hij aan de Phoenix Pro deelgenomen dan zat een top6 plaats er zeker in.

Deed Milos een seminar? Wat vind je van zijn kennis?

[axestream]

 

[Mars]

looks like a bodybuilder.

[DroppingPlates]

WOW 
(tell him not to look so constipated  )

[HUGEPECS]

he's just another big guy. reality will set in for him at pre-judging

[axestream]

he's just another big guy. reality will set in for him at pre-judging

How do you know he's out of touch with reality? 

[Rampage]

Why all the negativity! You can't go around the fact that this guy is talented. If you only look at the improvements he made in this past year alone! Off course it's not all him but also his coach and trainer sibil how obviously know how to stimulate his body the right way.

 


Hahahaha... this clearly gives away who is behind `Trainingon` - i see we are trying to shill his coach and `sibil` and give them some exposure huh  Aww , what happened Roelly stealing the spotlight ??

[mantronik]

(tell him not to look so constipated  )

Nou nou, Jay kan er ook wat van hoor...allemaal trouwens!

[mantronik]

Ik verwacht dat Roellie net binnen of buiten de top10 zal vallen.

Hij verdiend zeker hoger geplaatst te worden.
Zou mooi zijn als de jury hem een "Gustavo 2004" look geven en hem plaatsen waar hij hoort.

Zijn rug is zeker beter geworden (lees: meer wijdte), maar qua proporties staan er straks betere deelnemers dan hem op de AC.

Dikkere borst, dikkere hams en betere presentatie gooien hem enkele plaatsen hoger.
Hij heeft nog tijd genoeg. Begint niet lang geleden serieus te trainen (Sibil) en dit wordt pas zijn 1e pro vertoning, dus geef de man en Sibil wat tijd)

Had hij aan de Phoenix Pro deelgenomen dan zat een top6 plaats er zeker in.

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Deed Milos een seminar? Wat vind je van zijn kennis?

Ja Milos gaf een seminar in Aruba in september.
Zijn kennis is ongehoord. Je moet eens met hem kletsen om te weten waar ik het over heb. Je vraag wordt tot in detail beantwoord door hem.
Ik ken Milos nu 7 jaar en heb enkele keren bij hem gelogeerd in Fullerton en Temecula, dus het is niet even een 2 uur seminar indruk die ik van hem heb.

[DroppingPlates]

Dikkere borst, dikkere hams en betere presentatie gooien hem enkele plaatsen hoger.
Hij heeft nog tijd genoeg. Begint niet lang geleden serieus te trainen (Sibil) en dit wordt pas zijn 1e pro vertoning, dus geef de man en Sibil wat tijd)

Ik zie duidelijk progressie bij hem, vergeleken met vorig jaar. Als team "roesibilly" de drive behoudt, dan verwacht ik dat 2011 het jaar gaat worden.

Ja Milos gaf een seminar in Aruba in september.
Zijn kennis is ongehoord. Je moet eens met hem kletsen om te weten waar ik het over heb. Je vraag wordt tot in detail beantwoord door hem.
Ik ken Milos nu 7 jaar en heb enkele keren bij hem gelogeerd in Fullerton en Temecula, dus het is niet even een 2 uur seminar indruk die ik van hem heb.

Eindelijk iemand hier op GB die positief is over hem, maar jij hebt in elk geval recht van spreken Ik vind zijn giant sets stijl met strikte vorm & veel reps wel interessant. Die stijl zie ik ook aardig terug wanneer Sibil Roellie traint.

[TrainingOn]

What did you mean with:
" flyes flat (head of the bench back over hanging"?
And do you train only chest on these 2 days? Or do you combine the chest with other muscles on that day?

2 times a week diffrents exercise

1
bench press
dead press(bench press by the throat elbows slightly turned inwards)
incline press with dumbells
flyes flat (head of the bench back over hanging)
small press



2
incline machine (hammerstrenght)wide -hands horizontally /small-hands vertically
dead press
flyes low hand (look to the video)or cable cross
small bench press
dips

i hoop it is a little bit  to read

[DroppingPlates]

What did you mean with:
" flyes flat (head of the bench back over hanging"?

Lying on a flat bench with your head not on top of the bench surface but outside/above it.

[TrainingOn]

Thanks, update please!

[DroppingPlates]

You can tell dude isn't doing shrugs at the proper angle.  This will cost him 4 Olympia titles.

Something wrong with his traps