What % of population could become an IFBB Pro?

[tbombz]

Not at all. I'm all for cliched pearls of wisdom, lol.

        yes quite cheesy arent I

Jeezus christ man, you're going waaaaay off the deep end....So, you're gonna pray your way to a Pro card? Seriously? Are you really saying that someone with short legs, long torso, narrow shldrs, wide hips, and 1/2 a brain can simply use their faith to obtain a Pro godamm BB card? You've totally fliped me...get the hell outta my thread.

Did I say anything about prayer or god? just because i said faith doesnt imply faith in god. faith in ones own abilities. getting a pro card is simply a matter of getting all your muscles extremely developed then getting yoru bodyfat extremely low... even with horrible structure youll still get a pro card if you accomplish this. and everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it

[che]

everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it

Bullshit Republican propaganda

[Relentless]

I'm a firm believer that genetics play a tremendous role in BB...drugs are just the finishing touches in most cases. Bone structure, proportions, insertions, muscle bellies, etc. are not helped by drugs. Therefore, I truely believe that out of 10k gym rats perhaps only 1 or 2 would have what it takes to be an elite IFBB pro....take into account the commitment, discipline, etc that must exist with training, eating, sleeping, etc.....


I def. don't qualify due to my poor proportions, wide waste, narrow shldrs, long torso, etc...I could jump on a ton of drugs and come nowhere near the caliber of any pro.... I frequently see a couple of IFBB Pro's and it's always a cold reminder that no matter what, I can never look like them.


Discuss

The people who are predisposed to being the best bodybuilders are those who will never actually set foot on stage, in most cases.  Look at all of the guys in the NFL who eat crap and hardly know how to weight train other than the two days of the week they are doing football-purpose lifts.  Also, I've seen guys who look like they are avid lifters and look better than 99% of people at the gym, yet they never touch a weight because they already look better than most anyone else.  The gym rats are usually people trying to overcome less than great genetics or have an inferiority complex.

[Relentless]

Best thing about this thread is halfway through when Dov changes character and starts insulting everyone, right after the confusion where he quoted himself!

That said, I'd have to say the percentage must be very low. Most people with any talent whatsoever do not get into drug-fuelled bodybuilding as they pursue actual careers. However, of the tiny percentage of idiots who injest huge stacks of drugs most just look like bloated,Palumbized, bitch-titted sadsters who are born to lose. Only a few of an already tiny percent will have the genetic response to drugs that is needed to be a pro thongman.

QFT.  Good stuff, TG.

[dov]

        yes quite cheesy arent I
 Did I say anything about prayer or god? just because i said faith doesnt imply faith in god. faith in ones own abilities. getting a pro card is simply a matter of getting all your muscles extremely developed then getting yoru bodyfat extremely low... even with horrible structure youll still get a pro card if you accomplish this. and everybody is capable fo accomplishing it if they A) believe they can do it, b)know how to do it, c) take the necessary action to do it

Seriously, 99.9% of people throughout decades have done this and came nowhere near obtaining a Pro card. Is it because they had no faith in themselves? No, it's because they did'nt have the genetic foundation NECESSARY for Pro status. Are you SO egotistical and self righteous that you believe that you possess a certain faith that the failed 99.9% don't? Serious question.

[tbombz]

Seriously, 99.9% of people throughout decades have done this and came nowhere near obtaining a Pro card. Is it because they had no faith in themselves? No, it's because they did'nt have the genetic foundation NECESSARY for Pro status. Are you SO egotistical and self righteous that you believe that you possess a certain faith that the failed 99.9% don't? Serious question.

you questions indicates that you think that i think that i can be or am going to be a professional bodybuilder.


but i never said that did i?

[dov]

you questions indicates that you think that i think that i can be or am going to be a professional bodybuilder.


but i never said that did i?

Do you have aspirations of becoming a Pro BB?

[tbombz]

Do you have aspirations of becoming a Pro BB?

not really.i think it would be amazing and id love that experience, but its not a goal of mine, although at one time i did think it was.  i like to look good, workout my muscles, flex and squeeze my muscles, see changes in my body, sometimes the challenge of dieting is fun because its a mental strength builder...and i also like the respect and admiration a big body recieves..

[dov]

not really.i think it would be amazing and id love that experience, but its not a goal of mine, although at one time i did think it was.  i like to look good, workout my muscles, flex and squeeze my muscles, see changes in my body, sometimes the challenge of dieting is fun because its a mental strength builder...and i also like the respect and admiration a big body recieves..

Forgive me, for I thought you had your heart set on becoming a Pro...I, too, enjoy the above mentioned aspects of training.

However, that still does'nt change your thoughts on how easy you say it is to become a Pro. You and I disagree 100%...I feel that ONLY the genetically inclined few can achieve Pro status while you say 98% of folks have potential to earn a Pro card through faith, will, and choice....I will NEVER agree with your irrationalities.

[stuntmovie]

Bomz, I think a lot of us GetBiggers were counting on you to turn Pro and just might be disappointed about your statement not to make an attempt at a Pro Card.

Does that also mean that you have no intent to compete in any amateur contest within the next few years?

[dov]

"Tbomz" has witnessed the harsh light of reality first hand apparantly because he did have strong aspirations of becoming a Pro. Pipe-dreams

[tbombz]

I didnt say that I wouldnt become a Pro bodybuilder,  I only said it wasnt a goal of mine.   

there are far more important things in life than that, so it is not a priorty.

 although i do realise that it is necessary to make eating and lifting part of my everyday life, as i always have done, and as i will always continue to do. 

[dov]

I didnt say that I wouldnt become a Pro bodybuilder,  I only said it wasnt a goal of mine.   

there are far more important things in life than that, so it is not a priorty.

 although i do realise that it is necessary to make eating and lifting part of my everyday life, as i always have done, and as i will always continue to do. 

Sooooo, you may possibly become a Pro BB without it even being a goal? Your genetics must be 1 in a million if that's the case. Are you doing street drugs again? Serious ?

Are you saying there's a possibility of going Pro without any "will" or "faith"? Or is it a matter of you just having freaky genetics?

[tbombz]

Sooooo, you may possibly become a Pro BB without it even being a goal? Your genetics must be 1 in a million if that's the case. Are you doing street drugs again? Serious ?

Are you saying there's a possibility of going Pro without any "will" or "faith"? Or is it a matter of you just having freaky genetics?

Just because I dont have the goal of becoming a pro bodybuilder doesnt mean I am not trying to make my body as muscular as possible, I am. And It doesnt mean I dont have faith in my abilities, I do.

[dov]

So, you continue to punp ur body full of Pro sized stacks of gear without trying to become one of them? What's the point? Something has changed your attitude and focus over the past year bc I distinctly rmbr you having a Pro card goal. Is it a matter of reality bites, laziness, street drugs? What happened to derail your dream of becoming a Pro? It cañt be a matter of choosing to live a healthier lifestyle cause ur FULL of dangerous drugs. It HAS to be a matter of self realization that u aren't part of the 2% MINORITY who r genetically gifted, right?

[tbombz]

So, you continue to punp ur body full of Pro sized stacks of gear without trying to become one of them? What's the point? Something has changed your attitude and focus over the past year bc I distinctly rmbr you having a Pro card goal. Is it a matter of reality bites, laziness, street drugs? What happened to derail your dream of becoming a Pro? It cañt be a matter of choosing to live a healthier lifestyle cause ur FULL of dangerous drugs. It HAS to be a matter of self realization that u aren't part of the 2% MINORITY who r genetically gifted, right?

I really dont mind answering your questions abotu myself, however before I continue doing so I must know if you are taking this anywhere? If so proceed, if not id rather not waste my "breath" so to speak.

[dov]

Obviously I'm pressing the issue bc I think I'm right on my views of just how small the chances r for someone to obtain a Pro card...and I think u may the perfect example to b exploited.

U say MOST people(98% actually) can obtain a Pro status through will and determination. I say that's bullshit. until this thread you've always been a guy on GB who everyone thought had aspirations of becoming a Pro. All of a sudden uv had a change in this endeavor as far as we all know.
Seriously, what gives? Have u never wanted to be a pro? Do u still think its 98% up to will, faith, and determination and genetics literally play no role? Will u or won't u work towards a Pro card? When u fail like 99% of other aspiring BB's what will this mean?

[Earl1972]

maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro

look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year

only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone)  were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals

their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well

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[dov]

maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro

look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year

only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone)  were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals

their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well

E

No, you're wrong and that's the point of this thread. Go smoke some dope with "Tbomz" and a lot of others here on GB.....Perhaps you will say it since nobody else will....If you committed urself 100% towards obtaining a Pro card(training, drugs, food, etc) could you achieve Pro status? Yes or no? Simple question

[just_a_pilgrim]

maybe many people can be a pro, but only a few can be a successful pro

look at the 90's, the top 5 - 7 was the same almost every year

only ronnie started out at the bottom and worked his way to the top, the others (dorian,flex, shawn, nasser, chris, lee, dillet, and Mr. Levrone)  were top guys almost immediately when they became pros, they would've beaten most pros when they competed in junior nationals

their genetics were vastly superior to everybody elses, anybody can be huge and muscular but only the genetic elite place well

E

You got it. There are guys out there that are as big as those pro's as well but the muscle isn't distributed as well. Ronnie came from lower down but he was still a freak he just had so many other freaks around at that time to catch.

[Earl1972]

No, you're wrong and that's the point of this thread. Go smoke some dope with "Tbomz" and a lot of others here on GB.....Perhaps you will say it since nobody else will....If you committed urself 100% towards obtaining a Pro card(training, drugs, food, etc) could you achieve Pro status? Yes or no? Simple question

i like how you ignored everything else i said, i think i clearly stated that genetics are what counts

i do not think a pro that placed 24th at the pdi's night of champions has elite genetics, and i don't get the impression that any getbigger that posted pics tried to take their physique to that level

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[dov]

i like how you ignored everything else i said, i think i clearly stated that genetics are what counts

i do not think a pro that placed 24th at the pdi's night of champions has elite genetics, and i don't get the impression that any getbigger that posted pics tried to take their physique to that level

E

I'm fully aware that there are some Pro's better than others. The Pro's that routinely finish last are still Pro card holders for a reason...they have received the Pro status because they possess far greater genetics than 98% of typical gymrats or 98% of GBr's. That's the crux of this debate. However, many delusionites on this forum think that 98% of population can train, drug, eat, sleep properly and earn a Pro card. I disagree 100%..that's all. Many GBr's HAVE chased the Pro card status and have, of course, failed miserably.

[kiwiol]

U say MOST people(98% actually) can obtain a Pro status through will and determination.

He's saying that because he's naive and inexperienced.

[Earl1972]

I'm fully aware that there are some Pro's better than others. The Pro's that routinely finish last are still Pro card holders for a reason...they have received the Pro status because they possess far greater genetics than 98% of typical gymrats or 98% of GBr's. That's the crux of this debate. However, many delusionites on this forum think that 98% of population can train, drug, eat, sleep properly and earn a Pro card. I disagree 100%..that's all. Many GBr's HAVE chased the Pro card status and have, of course, failed miserably.

I think the guys that place last don't realize they are wasting their time

a lot of amatuers probably could be a last place finisher at the iron man, they just quit when they realize it isn't worth it

many amatuers don't fail, they just quit, maybe they didn't believe they would be good or maybe it was just random "he looks gross" comments from strangers that killed their motivation to pursue it further

heck I remember Mr. Levrone saying if he didn't get at least 2nd at the 95 O he would quit, some people just lose interest when they don't reach their goals at a certain time

I don't know how many people can be a pro, but i do know only a few can be a successful pro

E

[tbombz]

He's saying that because he's naive and inexperienced.

I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.

But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.