What % of population could become an IFBB Pro?

[kiwiol]

I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.

But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.

You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.

[tbombz]

You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.

Sadly your being sarcastic..  


do you think that anyone ever got anywhere without first believing in themselves? There is only one logical way of thinking and that is to be self-assured, so long as there is adequate thought and reaosn put into ones opinions.

[dov]

I could easily assume that both you and dov have your opinions because youve both grown into adulthood and failed to become anything magnificant or out of the ordinary, and since when you were younger both of you always felt like youd probably become famous in some way, now you feel like its impossible for the ordinary person to achieve anything extraordinary unless they are extremely lucky. failing to realise it is yoru own fault that you didnt achieve some type of celebrity or great success, because you never went after it. those things dont just come to you.

But I would just be assuming, as you are about me.

Sorry pal, I've never desired fame...you've never seen my recognizable face. Can't say the same for you. I've had many life experiences with some good fortune and some shortcomings. This has made me an extremely level-headed realist.

You have yet to answer a very simple yes or no question, so, perhaps, it's you who is scared shitless to even attempt to become something "magnificent".

[dov]

You're wrong. I could have been an IFBB pro or a top Hollywood star or President if I wanted to. I just chose not to.

ahhhh, the power of a simple choice. Yeah, with just the right amount of will and faith, I should be able to go down to the beach and walk across water.

[tbombz]

Sorry pal, I've never desired fame...you've never seen my recognizable face. Can't say the same for you. I've had many life experiences with some good fortune and some shortcomings. This has made me an extremely level-headed realist.

You have yet to answer a very simple yes or no question, so, perhaps, it's you who is scared shitless to even attempt to become something "magnificent".

arrogance is not a sign of level headedness.

[dov]

arrogance is not a sign of level headedness.

I'm solidified in my thoughts, beliefs, and feelings about the subject matter. That's not arrogance, that's reality...You seem to be almost lying to yourself with all of this "will" and "faith" bullshit...hell, you STILL cannot even answer a simple question...last chance:

If you commit yourself 100% to the BB lifestyle, will you be a slam dunk Pro card holder?

[kiwiol]

Sadly your being sarcastic..  


do you think that anyone ever got anywhere without first believing in themselves? There is only one logical way of thinking and that is to be self-assured, so long as there is adequate thought and reaosn put into ones opinions.

You're changing the course of discussion - this isn't what we were arguing about before. You made the erroneous statement that 99.9% of humans are identical to each other simply because 99.9% of our genetic makeup is the same, while ignoring the fact that that 0.1% difference is responsible for Pygmies on one end and NBA giants on the other, morons on one end and geniuses on the other, and so on.

You couldn't refute my statement about the bell shaped distribution of human traits and so, suddenly started talking about heart and will, saying that that's all it takes to achieve anything. As I mentioned before, heart and will plays a role, but only if someone has the capacity to achieve something in the first place and puts in the needed work, while having a good game plan.

A 4 foot pygmy can have all the heart and will in the world, but will never become the best player in the NBA. Same reason why guys like Mike Arvilla will never get a pro card no matter how hard they try or how passionate they are. It's all about genetics first and foremost. Chris Lund once said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's work ethics and will with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable bodybuilder. Ask yourself why that should be, when according to you, all Rich Gaspari had to do was "will" his way into having rounder muscles and a better frame than Flex Wheeler.

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[tbombz]

You're changing the course of discussion - this isn't what we were arguing about before. You made the erroneous statement that 99.9% of humans are identical to each other simply because 99.9% of our genetic makeup is the same, while ignoring the fact that that 0.1% difference is responsible for Pygmies on one end and NBA giants on the other, morons on one end and geniuses on the other, and so on.

You couldn't refute my statement about the bell shaped distribution of human traits and so, suddenly started talking about heart and will, saying that that's all it takes to achieve anything. As I mentioned before, heart and will plays a role, but only if someone has the capacity to achieve something in the first place and puts in the needed work, while having a good game plan.

A 4 foot pygmy can have all the heart and will in the world, but will never become the best player in the NBA. Same reason why guys like Mike Arvilla will never get a pro card no matter how hard they try or how passionate they are. It's all about genetics first and foremost. Chris Lund once said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's work ethics and will with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable bodybuilder. Ask yourself why that should be, when according to you, all Rich Gaspari had to do was "will" his way into having rounder muscles and a better frame than Flex Wheeler.

No.

I said that 95+% of all people have the potential to be pro. I stated that humans are 99% genetically the same, because people see the huge variations in shape, size, color, strength, intelligence among humans and they start to get mislead about the similarities we all share. On the surface we all seem very different, but on the inside we are all created in the same mold, in the same universe with the same physical laws, with the same types of musculoskeletals and endocrine systems.

I then went on to explain why only a small percentage of dedicated bodybuilders ever become a pro, or look like one, if they all are capable of doing it.

that explanation lies in the power the mind has upon body processes.

[tbombz]

I'm solidified in my thoughts, beliefs, and feelings about the subject matter. That's not arrogance, that's reality...You seem to be almost lying to yourself with all of this "will" and "faith" bullshit...hell, you STILL cannot even answer a simple question...last chance:

If you commit yourself 100% to the BB lifestyle, will you be a slam dunk Pro card holder?

The arrogance I reffered to was that stemming from this statement: "extremely level headed". Such self descriptions arent necessarily arrogant however when they arent arrogant, they usually are prefaced with or postscripted with sometype of acknowledgement of ones subjectivity.


If, then it would depend upon my mind state during the attempt. If I knew it was going to happen, then it would.

[dov]

epic evasiveness

[tbombz]

epic evasiveness

the most accurate words are at times seemingly vague

[kiwiol]

No.

I said that 95+% of all people have the potential to be pro. I stated that humans are 99% genetically the same, because people see the huge variations in shape, size, color, strength, intelligence among humans and they start to get mislead about the similarities we all share. On the surface we all seem very different, but on the inside we are all created in the same mold, in the same universe with the same physical laws, with the same types of musculoskeletals and endocrine systems.

I then went on to explain why only a small percentage of dedicated bodybuilders ever become a pro, or look like one, if they all are capable of doing it.

that explanation lies in the power the mind has upon body processes.

Again, you fail to grasp the concept of the bell shaped distribution by a country mile. No one is saying the genetic differences we have gives rise to different mechanisms for breathing or digesting food or whatever.

At least 95% of the population can never become pro NBA players or one of the top 100 boxers in the world or enter the Worlds Strongest man competition or anything else. It's the same with bodybuilding. If every male in the world did bodybuilding (lift hard, juice etc), you'd still have a very small number of guys who look outstanding due to their genetics, the majority having a so so shape and a small number of guys who look like dog shit.

No matter how much power the mind has upon body processes, it won't let someone like GetItOnNY look better than a guy like Flex Wheeler or make you have Ronnie Coleman's back.

[Cleanest Natural]

there is more than one ingredient BUT .... genetics are indispensable

[Palpatine Q]

Correct Sevastase.



You can have all the "want to" in the world.....if you don't have the genes, you are shit out of luck.

PS  Tbombz is just fucking with you guys IMO

[Captain Equipoise]

Like I said before, if kamali can do it, anyone can.