Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer

[blacken700]

Americas 50-million strong Evangelical community is convinced that the worlds future is foretold in Biblical prophecy - from the Rapture to the Battle of Armageddon.These people are deadly serious. The religious beliefs of some Christian politicians Palin, Bachman, Brownback  should be exposed for the hidden anti-American agenda. They support Israel to the detriment of this nations interests. All for their religion.

[The Luke]

...yet the word "Rapture" (meaning anything that could be translated as such in this millenarian context) does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

Not even in the Book of Revelations.



The Luke

[haider]

holy shitballs, these people are something else.

[Skip8282]

These psycho's were in full force around '98-'99 claiming that 2000 was the end.  Bunch of freaks.  But I'm an atheist who supports Israel and supporting them is not detrimental to our nation.

[The Luke]

Unfortunately, these people represent a considerable power base.

They elected George Dubya... twice.


Even hard nosed-realists can be seduced by such thinking.

It's rumoured that Moshe Dayan (the Israeli military hero and occasional statesman) took his publicly known interest in the mystery of the lost Ark of the Covenant to the point of offering to pay Ethiopia's sovereign debt in exchange for the Ark. (The Chapel of Saint Mary of Sion in Axum, Ethiopia is the best candidate for a final resting place of the Ark).

However, there is no historical basis for the whole "Rapture" scam.


The Luke

[Skip8282]

IDK about the Rapture Luke, and don't much care.  The only time I have a problem with these clowns is when they try and push gov't policy on people.  Back when I graduated, baccalaureate before the graduation ceremony was still required.  And if you didn't attend the sermon, you didn't get your degree.  I can't stand that type of shit from fundamentalist douchebags.

[Soul Crusher]

Hysterical that you guys laugh at these people considering you morons believed that the second coming of Christ occurred last November.

[SAMSON123]

These psycho's were in full force around '98-'99 claiming that 2000 was the end.  Bunch of freaks.  But I'm an atheist who supports Israel and supporting them is not detrimental to our nation.

ZIONIST is more appropriate..

[The Luke]

Hysterical that you guys laugh at these people considering you morons believed that the second coming of Christ occurred last November.

Actually, from what I've read, it seems most liberals are disappointed with Obama.


The whole Tea Party thing seems to stem from the misguided belief that America isn't happy with Obama because he is too liberal/socialist/communist or whichever way they choose to mislabel him.

But that's not it.

Most people (and please remember it was the majority of Americans) voted for what Obama PROMISED... not what he has delivered.


So it won't be Palin 2012 if Obama fails to live up to these promises... it'll be Nader 2012.

Remember, if Obama fails, that doesn't mean the Evanelical lunatic fringe is by default... it means the majority will swing further left... personally I might enjoy the culture shock of these Palin voters having REAL Scandinavian-style socialism foisted upon them.

They'd be better off... yet outraged by it.


The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

Oh yeah, that socialism is working out great in Europe.    

[The Luke]

Oh yeah, that socialism is working out great in Europe.    

...well, actually it has it's problems.

The question becomes: in a worst case scenario (ie systemic financial collapse) which region will fare better?


I know you prefer to form your opinions BEFORE knowing any of the facts 333386, but just for the record, France, Germany and Scandinavia are recovering fastest and are least affected by the derivatives fiasco.

So you just stated a simple fact, but implied sarcasm.

That would seem to indicate you are unaware of the basic facts.... considering this, maybe you should keep your uinformed opinions to yourself?


The Luke

[Skip8282]

ZIONIST is more appropriate..

Heyyyyy...that wasn't very nice.

[Skip8282]

Hysterical that you guys laugh at these people considering you morons believed that the second coming of Christ occurred last November.

I laugh at them with pride.  Got no idea what the fuck Barry has to do with this though.


I used to work with some guy who everytime he passed my cubicle would leave a little religious pamphlet on my desk, lol.  They all claimed the same thing, end of world, armageddon, salvation, blah, blah...

[24KT]

I laugh at them with pride.  Got no idea what the fuck Barry has to do with this though.


I used to work with some guy who everytime he passed my cubicle would leave a little religious pamphlet on my desk, lol.  They all claimed the same thing, end of world, armageddon, salvation, blah, blah...

Did you ever trip him as he walked by? I would have. 

[tonymctones]

Unfortunately, these people represent a considerable power base.

They elected George Dubya... twice.


Even hard nosed-realists can be seduced by such thinking.

It's rumoured that Moshe Dayan (the Israeli military hero and occasional statesman) took his publicly known interest in the mystery of the lost Ark of the Covenant to the point of offering to pay Ethiopia's sovereign debt in exchange for the Ark. (The Chapel of Saint Mary of Sion in Axum, Ethiopia is the best candidate for a final resting place of the Ark).

However, there is no historical basis for the whole "Rapture" scam.


The Luke

who got obama elected?

[The Luke]

who got obama elected?

I know you're tying to make a point... but seeing as I've already made a post explaining that liberals voted for what Obama promised (but not what he has delivered), I can't figure out what your point might be?


You're not arguing that the Evangelical "Vales Voters" got Obama elected... are you?


The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

I laugh at them with pride.  Got no idea what the fuck Barry has to do with this though.


I used to work with some guy who everytime he passed my cubicle would leave a little religious pamphlet on my desk, lol.  They all claimed the same thing, end of world, armageddon, salvation, blah, blah...

It was a joke Skip about Barry since many of his voters adopted the equivalent beliefs of a messianic cult where Barry was the second coming and the planet would begin to heal.  Remember :  "We are the ones we have been waiting for"?  . 

As for the holy rollers, just ignore them or tell them you are a satanist. 

[Skip8282]

As for the holy rollers, just ignore them

Yes, as long as they don't go too far, that's what I do.

Did you ever trip him as he walked by? I would have. 

This is exactly what I don't get about you.  You're fine with some Muslim jackass stopping a bus in the middle of its route to pray, but some Christian douchebag dropping a pamphlet as they walk by deserves a tripping.

[Soul Crusher]

Skip - take the words of Dr. Michael Savage and apply it to anything dealing with any liberal and everything makes perfect sense"

"Liberalism is a mental disorder"

[tonymctones]

I know you're tying to make a point... but seeing as I've already made a post explaining that liberals voted for what Obama promised (but not what he has delivered), I can't figure out what your point might be?


You're not arguing that the Evangelical "Vales Voters" got Obama elected... are you?


The Luke

LOL the problem that maybe you didnt see as your not from the US is that obama flip flopped on a dozen different issues and promised everyone shit that conflicted with promises he had already made 

my point is you say these ppl got bush elected they sure helped but they didnt get him elected...just like there are ppl that thought obama was going to pay their bills

you shouldnt generalize is my point

[SAMSON123]

...yet the word "Rapture" (meaning anything that could be translated as such in this millenarian context) does not appear anywhere in the Bible.

Not even in the Book of Revelations.



The Luke

As expected LUKE THE ASS speaks with ignorance. Try reading 1st Thessolonians 4:16+17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Rapture means: rap·ture  (rpchr)
n.
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling. Often used in the plural.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.
tr.v. rap·tured, rap·tur·ing, rap·tures
To enrapture.

[The Luke]

Rapture means: rap·ture  (rpchr)
n.
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling. Often used in the plural.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.
tr.v. rap·tured, rap·tur·ing, rap·tures
To enrapture.

You are a gimmick, right? No one is wilflly this dumb... it's an attention thing, right?


The verse you quote does not contain the word "rapture" (or anything that could be translated as such, considering we are discussing translations).


This "Rapture" meme began in the 1800s when splintered American Protestant groups were vying for novelty when competing for donations/followers.

It is just another cancerous thought tumour produced by the syphilitic loins of Christian literalism: the mistaken application of the meaning of the word "rapture" to the physical world... far beyond it's metaphysical/emotional perview.

Prior to this (mistaken) misinterpretation of the word "rapture" by millenarian Christian fundamentalists (ie: prior to the 1800s)... prior to this, the word "rapture" had only a metaphysical context.


You could capture a physical object, but you rapture or enrapture the soul/spirit/feelings/emotions.

So, I (my physical being) might be "caught up" or "captured" (in a physical spacial sense) by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.

But if I am "raptured or enraptured" then it is only my metaphysical component (my thoughts/emotions/spirit) which are transported or "caught up", and this non-physical/metaphysical component can similarly be "caught up" by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.


But generally speaking, capture is used when something physical is caught up by someting either physical or non-physical... and rapture or enrapture is used when something non-physical or metaphysical is caught up by something similarly non-physical or immaterial.

This is the convetion by which the word was used from 800ish AD till 1800ish AD.  


"Rapture" has only taken on the mistaken meaning of PHYSICAL transportation since large groups of misinformed Christians came to think it had a physical connotation.


If you want me to explain what that verse from Thessoloians actually means... in the context of the worldview espoused by the early Christian writers, I can certainly explain that.


But one thing is sure... "Rapture" in the sense that Evangelical (American) Christians understand it: DOES NOT DERIVE FROM THE BIBLE.

Neither the New Testament nor the Old Testament either detail or prophesise any such event.

Like most of Christianity, it is a product of the delusions of those incapable of comprehending metaphor.


Sorry.
But this is akin to claiming a "light-year" is AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN a measure of time... just because a large contingent of the misinformed mistakenly believe it to be.  Then using this "new" ignorance-derived definition to validate the prophetic rantings of L Ron Hubbard.


The Luke

[Skip8282]

Skip - take the words of Dr. Michael Savage and apply it to anything dealing with any liberal and everything makes perfect sense"

"Liberalism is a mental disorder"

He makes a good point.

Of course, I have to remind myself that I'm trying to understand the reasoning of someone so dumb as to think the jail on Guantanamo is supporting Haiti as opposed to the base.

[James]

You are a gimmick, right? No one is wilflly this dumb... it's an attention thing, right?


The verse you quote does not contain the word "rapture" (or anything that could be translated as such, considering we are discussing translations).


This "Rapture" meme began in the 1800s when splintered American Protestant groups were vying for novelty when competing for donations/followers.

It is just another cancerous thought tumour produced by the syphilitic loins of Christian literalism: the mistaken application of the meaning of the word "rapture" to the physical world... far beyond it's metaphysical/emotional perview.

Prior to this (mistaken) misinterpretation of the word "rapture" by millenarian Christian fundamentalists (ie: prior to the 1800s)... prior to this, the word "rapture" had only a metaphysical context.


You could capture a physical object, but you rapture or enrapture the soul/spirit/feelings/emotions.

So, I (my physical being) might be "caught up" or "captured" (in a physical spacial sense) by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.

But if I am "raptured or enraptured" then it is only my metaphysical component (my thoughts/emotions/spirit) which are transported or "caught up", and this non-physical/metaphysical component can similarly be "caught up" by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.


But generally speaking, capture is used when something physical is caught up by someting either physical or non-physical... and rapture or enrapture is used when something non-physical or metaphysical is caught up by something similarly non-physical or immaterial.

This is the convetion by which the word was used from 800ish AD till 1800ish AD.  


"Rapture" has only taken on the mistaken meaning of PHYSICAL transportation since large groups of misinformed Christians came to think it had a physical connotation.


If you want me to explain what that verse from Thessoloians actually means... in the context of the worldview espoused by the early Christian writers, I can certainly explain that.


But one thing is sure... "Rapture" in the sense that Evangelical (American) Christians understand it: DOES NOT DERIVE FROM THE BIBLE.

Neither the New Testament nor the Old Testament either detail or prophesise any such event.

Like most of Christianity, it is a product of the delusions of those incapable of comprehending metaphor.


Sorry.
But this is akin to claiming a "light-year" is AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN a measure of time... just because a large contingent of the misinformed mistakenly believe it to be.  Then using this "new" ignorance-derived definition to validate the prophetic rantings of L Ron Hubbard.


The Luke

I normally dont agree with Sampson, but this time he is correct.

The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, no English words are found in the Bible.

The word rapture comes from the Latin word "rapturo" (rapio) which is a translation of the Greek verb "harpazo"", which means "caught up" that is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

The specific usage of the word Haprozo is in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 "Harpagesometha", the future passive indicative sense.

Also the word "Harpazo" is found in the Bible 17 times.

[The Luke]

I normally dont agree with Sampson, but this time he is correct.

The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, no English words are found in the Bible.

The word rapture comes from the Latin word "rapturo" (rapio) which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" that is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

The word rapture comes from the Latin rapio, "caught up", snatch, grab, carry off, which was taken the Vulgate, an early 5th-century Latin translation of the Bible.

...read my post again, carefully.


I never claimed any of the Bible was written in English.

I simply explained the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there any description or detail which could be translated as "The Rapture" in the way that Evangelical Christians understand it.

The word rapture has always had a strictly metaphysical sense... but since the 1830s it has become linked to this invented notion of physical teleportation into heaven; hence this has now become one of it's meanings... but only since the 1830s, and the Bible was written long before that.


Let me give you a different example to illustrate my point... if I asked a hundred random mouth breathers to define what a "force" is...  a sizable contingent might reference the mystical energy field channeled by Jedi Knights in the Star Wars movies. If I consult a populist dictionary written after 2000 I might even find a reference to "The Force": a quasi-magical ether consisting of opposed positive and negative fields which powers the telekinetic and telepathic abilities of both Jedi and Sith adepts.

But I can't then go back to the great 17th century physics treatise the "Mathematica Principia" and declare that Isaac Newton, by both quantifying and defining the propertis of "forces" MUST HAVE BEEN EITHER A JEDI KNIGHT, OR A SITH LORD.


In closing, yes, you certainly can properly translate some verses of the Bible using the phrase "rapture"... but only if you use the old meaning of the word: caught up or engrossed in a metaphysical (non-spatial) sense... WHICH IS WHAT "RAPTURE" MEANS IN ENGLISH.

Just because morons believe it has some connotation of physical teleportation to heaven, that doesn't make it so... and it certainly doesn't mean that a translator working before the advent of Reaganite Evangelical moron-block voters meant it that way.



The event: "The Rapture", as it came to be understood in a religios sense after the 1800s (the context used in the video starting this thread)... is not derived from the Bible itself, but rather from the fecund loins of literalist self-delusion.


The Luke