i get bored with the ufc product

[MB_722]

its fucking boring. i'm not talking about the cards, the commentating and presentations are huge in respect to the sport and the ufc is boring and bad for the sport.

there is no prestige associated with it, imo this hurts the sport.

[MB_722]

pride division

wtf joe rogan?

[AC Slater]

ufc hypes the hell out of two geeky nobody white guys fighting.  making it sound like it is the epic fight of the decade.  it is gay

[Captain Equipoise]

Agreed totally..at least when a Pride event was coming the build up was amazing, the hype was worth it, the cards were great! and the presentation of the product was kick ass!!! ufc needs to can buffer who's still trying to sound like his brother and get that cool pride announcer!!! they also need to reinvest some of the millions upon millions they're making on these shitty cards into the presentation and have a cool entrance like Pride did with the ramp and the smoke and light shows... the current ufc presentation is bland and boring in comparison.

[LatsMcGee]

I actually think Bas and Rogan would make a great team. 

[RancherRanger]

Joe Rogan's bias pisses me off.  Another thing that pisses me off is the UFC never shows there entire fight card like Pride did.  I grew up watching the UFC and have watched most of the ppv's.  But the UFC is doing to many cards and the quality of fights is going downhill.

[WeightPSHR]

Agreed totally..at least when a Pride event was coming the build up was amazing, the hype was worth it, the cards were great! and the presentation of the product was kick ass!!! ufc needs to can buffer who's still trying to sound like his brother and get that cool pride announcer!!! they also need to reinvest some of the millions upon millions they're making on these shitty cards into the presentation and have a cool entrance like Pride did with the ramp and the smoke and light shows... the current ufc presentation is bland and boring in comparison.

Your feelings are without a doubt, not the norm. If you want all the smoke and pretty lights, you can watch Strikeforce....well if they can stay in business.
Everyone here likes to slam the UFC, but without them, MMA would be virtually non-existant. I will never get over why you all complain when they put on several shows a month, sometimes FREE too! You do understand that when you put on lots of shows, not every show is going to be the best ever. Worldwide doesn't seem like people are complaining too much about the UFC.

[WeightPSHR]

its fucking boring. i'm not talking about the cards, the commentating and presentations are huge in respect to the sport and the ufc is boring and bad for the sport.

there is no prestige associated with it, imo this hurts the sport.

Selling out shows in hours, worldwide mind you....yea the UFC is really bad for the sport. Listen to what you are saying....without the UFC this sport would be dead.

[MindSpin]

Those of you so bored with the UFC, are the significant minority.  MMA is bigger than ever, watched by more people than ever and growing faster than any other sport.  If you like all of the bells and whistles that have noting to do with the actual fighting, you always have the WWE as an option.

[George Whorewell]

I like the commentators- They have the uncanny ability to make two shit fighters sound like hall of famers. Rogan really knows his shit, and while Goldberg obviously knows jack shit about fighting, he always has energy and is at least getting better in terms of knowledge/ understanding.

However, Pride was 1000000x better than the UFC. Not saying I don't like the UFC now, because I do-- but imo the UFC isn't a pimple on prides ass.

Bigger arenas with more fans, huge gawdy enterances (Sakuraba coming out dressed as a super mario brother against Randleman), better commentators (Bas is better than Rogan and Goldberg combined)-- the fighters had more personality, guys that are old and washed up fighting in the UFC were in their primes in Pride, etc. etc.

One thing I also miss from Pride is the whole international perspective. Pride seemed to have that country versus country+ martial art versus martial art mentality. Nothing compares to Sakuraba taking on the whole Gracie family, Fedor against Noguerra or the other classic battles of style and country.

I still like the UFC, but to me Pride is on another level.

[HICKSON]

Those of you so bored with the UFC, are the significant minority.  MMA is bigger than ever, watched by more people than ever and growing faster than any other sport.  If you like all of the bells and whistles that have noting to do with the actual fighting, you always have the WWE as an option.

I agree with this 100%

What I believe is hurting the sport is the many fight cards in the year.
But that is a double edge sword because, one I want to see fights every month but two, I want them to mean something.

The bigger it gets though the more talent it will draw.

[WeightPSHR]

I like the commentators- They have the uncanny ability to make two shit fighters sound like hall of famers. Rogan really knows his shit, and while Goldberg obviously knows jack shit about fighting, he always has energy and is at least getting better in terms of knowledge/ understanding.

However, Pride was 1000000x better than the UFC. Not saying I don't like the UFC now, because I do-- but imo the UFC isn't a pimple on prides ass.

Bigger arenas with more fans, huge gawdy enterances (Sakuraba coming out dressed as a super mario brother against Randleman), better commentators (Bas is better than Rogan and Goldberg combined)-- the fighters had more personality, guys that are old and washed up fighting in the UFC were in their primes in Pride, etc. etc.

One thing I also miss from Pride is the whole international perspective. Pride seemed to have that country versus country+ martial art versus martial art mentality. Nothing compares to Sakuraba taking on the whole Gracie family, Fedor against Noguerra or the other classic battles of style and country.

I still like the UFC, but to me Pride is on another level.

I see what you are trying to say here, MMA used to be style vs. style, but now everyone is good at everything. MMA has evolved. The same thing would be gone from Pride if it were around today. This is not the UFC's fault. Also, the UFC is not only bringing in more international competitors than ever, it is putting on shows all over the world. Hard to dislike that.

[K-1]

its fucking boring. i'm not talking about the cards, the commentating and presentations are huge in respect to the sport and the ufc is boring and bad for the sport.

there is no prestige associated with it, imo this hurts the sport.

I think it's all about their (ufc) business model. If you were into PrideFc, K-1 events..etc then yes, I can see how the UFC presentation/broadcasts are somewhat "boring" and they seem inferior entirely.


basically in a nutshell UFC changing it's business model to fit Pride style might = they'd be broke in no time...especially trying to continue to use their WWE overdose of shows format.  

Don't get me wrong, their broadcast ARE boring as hell. I just don't think they have the capital to improve.

with that all being said....they need to have a fk'n grand prix style belt/tournament championship series like I mentioned in my post months ago (to lazy to retype all that sh*t) but that would be the sh*t.

[Fury]

MMA hasn't evolved at all. It's gotten worse. The American fans have successfully driven out anything resembling a ground game these days because anything short of two guys wailing on each others face is boring. Nor has there really been an infusion of talent into the UFC. It's still the same guys fighting the same people over and over. The organization desperately needs new blood. Too bad they aren't willing to go out and get it.

Pride put out a much superior product. Like George said, the international aspect, huge stadiums, grand entrances and everything else is what made it entertaining. Too bad the Yakuza scandal killed it. Now we're stuck with an organization that has no competition and puts out shitty cards because of it. Oh, and shills on their payroll who blow it all over the internet.  

DREAM is a good substitute. Will go the same route as Pride with regards to American fans, though.

[WeightPSHR]

MMA hasn't evolved at all. It's gotten worse. The American fans have successfully driven out anything resembling a ground game these days because anything short of two guys wailing on each others face is boring. Nor has there really been an infusion of talent into the UFC. It's still the same guys fighting the same people over and over. The organization desperately needs new blood. Too bad they aren't willing to go out and get it.

Pride put out a much superior product. Like George said, the international aspect, huge stadiums, grand entrances and everything else is what made it entertaining. Too bad the Yakuza scandal killed it. Now we're stuck with an organization that has no competition and puts out shitty cards because of it. Oh, and shills on their payroll who blow it all over the internet.  

DREAM is a good substitute. Will go the same route as Pride with regards to American fans, though.

MMA hasn't evolved You have got to be kidding me. If you want to see more ground games you can always watch BJJ tournaments. Stand-Up wars have always been preferred since the beginning of MMA. Don't really understand why you are saying American fans have ruined the sport. The UFC is watched around the world...don't know if you have noticed that.

I agree with you that Pride was the best at one time...but you have to realize that times change. Things can not always stay the same as they were. This is true with all sports, music and entertainment. Those that evolve stay in the business. You can't keep offering the same product and expect people to keep watching.

Blaming the UFC or American fans for changing the sport is unfair. It HAD to change...if it didn't, it wouldn't have been sanctioned around the world as it is today. The UFC and it's fans may have changed the sport, but all in all it is for the better. 10 years from now it will be even more different. You see it in baseball, american football, basketball, olympic games, etc.

[WeightPSHR]

You really have no idea as to what you're talking about. Not surprising given your UFC fanboy status and the fact that you picked up MMA a year ago. The UFC isn't really that popular outside of America and England. I would venture to guess that K-1 is more popular in Europe, South America and Asia.

And no, stand-up wars haven't always been preferred. Watch some Pride matches. The crowd appreciated a great ground fight as much as a great stand-up fight. That is not the case in the current iteration of the UFC. And the UFC has been working to eliminate the ground game from the sport with the refs constantly standing up fighters as soon as they hit the ground. So no, the sport hasn't evolved into something better. If anything, it's trying to become a bastardized version of boxing and that's not what it should be doing.

And how exactly have sports like football and baseball changed? The rules are the rules and they've been pretty much the same since each game's inception. Baseball tradition in regards to the rules is one of the main sticking points with most fans. The only thing that has changed is that the athletes are better and PEDs are more prevalent.  


Any true MMA fan (not you UFC fanboys) wants to see another competitor challenge the UFC because it would force each organization to put out their best cards, not the mediocre shit the UFC currently puts on for most of the year.

Sounds to me like you maybe need to just walk away from the sport of MMA then. Or you can wait for someone to put on a better show than the UFC someday. Like I said earlier, your feelings are an abnormally. The UFC is the most popular org in MMA period. Somebody is watching aren't they? I guess all the millions of people that watch the UFC WORLDWIDE are just idiots and you just happen to be the genius that see's it clearly. Good for you.

Meanwhile, I will be a UFC fanboy and watch amazing fights!

[gmflex]

WeightPSHR = UFC guy
 

Just because their on PPV / Spike..
Doesn't mean their the best...
 

Watching WEC...
on Versus HD
A lot better than the last 4 ufc ppv...

[MB_722]

 

[MB_722]

epic

ufc has given people the wrong perception of the sport

[WeightPSHR]

WeightPSHR = UFC guy
 

Just because their on PPV / Spike..
Doesn't mean their the best...
 

Watching WEC...
on Versus HD
A lot better than the last 4 ufc ppv...

I do like the WEC...although I think they are making a huge mistake putting it on PPV.

You do know who runs the WEC right?

[WeightPSHR]

epic








ufc has given people the wrong perception of the sport

I will admit that those were great fights, but to say the UFC gives the "wrong perception of the sport" is crazy!
There is a reason that PRIDE is no longer here. All the fancy entrances and build-ups are not needed when the UFC can sell itself putting on great match-ups several times a month. You have to realize that interesting match-ups are what makes fights sell. Not every fight has to be to most epic battle ever.

[George Whorewell]

How can you watch that grand prix opening and not get goosebumps? I didnt really get the chance to watch pride very much in it's day, but how often did these events occur? Is it possible that there was such a buildup to these matches because Pride didn't hold PPV events every 3 weeks or so like the UFC?

Next to Fedor, I have to say Sakuraba is my favorite fighter from Pride. Before Brock Lesnar and Ken Shamrock, Sakubara was the first guy to go from professional wrestling to MMA and have success.

[WeightPSHR]

How can you watch that grand prix opening and not get goosebumps? I didnt really get the chance to watch pride very much in it's day, but how often did these events occur? Is it possible that there was such a buildup to these matches because Pride didn't hold PPV events every 3 weeks or so like the UFC?

Next to Fedor, I have to say Sakuraba is my favorite fighter from Pride. Before Brock Lesnar and Ken Shamrock, Sakubara was the first guy to go from professional wrestling to MMA and have success.

When it is all said it done...people watch MMA for the fights. People that want all the fancy drama and build-ups watch wrestling.
I see your point, but can you really be mad at the UFC for giving its fans lots of fights?

Dana White and the UFC have a great business going. Kind of hard to criticize their business. They are happy and millions of fans are happy!

[MB_722]

can you really be mad at the UFC for giving its fans lots of fights?

Dana White and the UFC have a great business going. Kind of hard to criticize their business. They are happy and millions of fans are happy!

for quantity's sake no. for quality, yes.

another thing, how can you appreciate a company when all they want to do is milk you for 60 bucks every month for a shitty card.


anyone want to make a McDonalds comparison here?

[Captain Equipoise]

Man I miss those times, the UFC entrance/show looks like something put together by kindergarten kids in comparison... Pride openings really gave you goosebump's!!! had this electric feeling something the UFC just seems to have no interest in creating