PACO BAUTISTA 23yrs old 105kg

[240 is Back]

steroids or not... that is insane for 23 years old.

[jwb]

I think kyomu's broken english meant he was juicing and within the first few years he looked like that...

Of course I could be wrong.

that's what I think he meant. Paco is probably still pulling his chain in regards to when he started and how much he first took though.

[newmom]

steroids or not... that is insane for 23 years old.

X2

[BIG_STI]

his waist was huge and deformed at 23

[Harry Spotter]

Already very hard.

All 15-course degustations at El Bulli

[Van_Bilderass]

How can you misunderstand this?

If you dont look like this within 5 or 6 years after starting lifting, absolutely no use to do the gears.

He's saying you shouldn't do gear unless you look like this after 5 years of lifting. He didn't say 5-6 years of heavy heavy juicing.

Paco there is bigger there than a number of pros, even very successful ones. Even some Mr Olympias. I guess all these other pros juiced in vain because they just don't have the genetics. 

What a retard. All pine and soy sauce.

[dyslexic]

He liked the fact that Paco was already hard...

[Stavios]

How can you misunderstand this?

He's saying you shouldn't do gear unless you look like this after 5 years of lifting. He didn't say 5-6 years of heavy heavy juicing.

Paco there is bigger there than a number of pros, even very successful ones. Even some Mr Olympias. I guess all these other pros juiced in vain because they just don't have the genetics. 

What a retard. All pine and soy sauce.

I agree enough is enough with the Kyomu bullshit he is getting to the non-return point of the delusionite

[kyomu]

I agree enough is enough with the Kyomu bullshit he is getting to the non-return point of the delusionite

I am not saying that he was natural.
Just I say, if you use regular cycle of andorogenic hormone and steroid and you dont look like this,its a waisting time.

[kyomu]

??

you understand hes fucking juiced to the MAX in this photo and has been for years?

so your correct post would be "If you dont look like this after a few years of heavy dosages then stop"

Yes. Also correct.
But in this stage, he used almost nothing, and looked like this.

[nzmusclemonster]

All drugs.

[RxBandit]

Paco looked 2 times better than the fucker "big" dan hill (same age)

[kyomu]

Bro , he's been juicing at least 5 years in that pic..ask him when he started gear?

Yes. But not heavy.
Using heavy from the beginning is very stupid.
You must go light as possible and after getting graudaly heavy.

[dustin]

Yes. Also correct.
But in this stage, he used almost nothing, and looked like this.

That's just what Paco says. No pros give their real dosages. He's taking at least double what he told you.

I know a couple IFBB pros and they're more honest than Paco. He's got a pharmacy worth of drugs coursing through his veins despite whatever he's lying to you about. I know that my friends lie too but I'm not naive and know when someones lying.

[kyomu]

That's just what Paco says. No pros give their real dosages. He's taking at least double what he told you.

I know a couple IFBB pros and they're more honest than Paco. He's got a pharmacy worth of drugs coursing through his veins despite whatever he's lying to you about. I know that my friends lie too but I'm not naive and know when someones lying.

You dont know how we are close friend.
I know and see it everyday.
I am with him almost all day.We help each other about our daily life problem too.
For our friend ship,bbing is only one aspect.
Even one of the Pacos family works at my factory.
His wife also help a lot.
So still he must lie to me for this stupid drug matter?

[Meso_z]

kyomu is either very stupid or a  liar

AND full of shit.

impressive at 23 though...

[nzmusclemonster]

You dont know how we are close friend.
I know and see it everyday.
I am with him almost all day.We help each other about our daily life problem too.
For our friend ship,bbing is only one aspect.
Even one of the Pacos family works at my factory.
His wife also help a lot.
So still he must lie to me for this stupid drug matter?

Are you the bottom in the relationship?

[dustin]

You dont know how we are close friend.
I know and see it everyday.
I am with him almost all day.We help each other about our daily life problem too.
For our friend ship,bbing is only one aspect.
Even one of the Pacos family works at my factory.
His wife also help a lot.
So still he must lie to me for this stupid drug matter?

Yes, he still lies, Kyomu. I respect you but you are naive. You are with him a lot of the time but you're not there when he's swabbing up, drawing his gear and injecting it. You don't see the copious amount of drugs he uses. I am good friends with plenty of juicers and I can tell you but the more competitive one is, the more he will lie.

[kyomu]

Yes, he still lies, Kyomu. I respect you but you are naive. You are with him a lot of the time but you're not there when he's swabbing up, drawing his gear and injecting it. You don't see the copious amount of drugs he uses. I am good friends with plenty of juicers and I can tell you but the more competitive one is, the more he will lie.

Yes I am and i see it.

[TRIX]

[jwb]

How can you misunderstand this?

He's saying you shouldn't do gear unless you look like this after 5 years of lifting. He didn't say 5-6 years of heavy heavy juicing.

Paco there is bigger there than a number of pros, even very successful ones. Even some Mr Olympias. I guess all these other pros juiced in vain because they just don't have the genetics. 

What a retard. All pine and soy sauce.

So much for your interpretation of what he was saying.

I still think Paco is telling him less than what he was on though.

Bbers and drugs are like girls and their number of former lovers... they always divide the truth by 3.

[kyomu]

So much for your interpretation of what he was saying.

I still think Paco is telling him less than what he was on though.

Bbers and drugs are like girls and their number of former lovers... they always divide the truth by 3.

You are very right.
99% of bbers are like that.
But I didnt say 100%.
Its up to you if what i am saying is truth or not.

[io856]

kyomu is a fuckin dumbass

[Meso_z]

kyomu is a fuckin dumbass

yea, he "thinks" that Paco tells him EVERYTHING about his personal life. It doesnt matter how many year they know each other, a profession is a profession and Paco is not that stupid to reveal everything in his life to "kyomu", because he has him as his training partner and eat together everyday.

Heck even me, and imagine that im nothing in bbing, just 2 shows on my belt. dont tell even my closest friends, known for YEARS, what am i doing and not only in bbing i mean even in my personal life.

[Meso_z]

at 23, he looked AWESOME though. meant to be a pro. doesnt matter about his structure. He has a cool structure imo. freak..