PACO BAUTISTA 23yrs old 105kg

[Pollux]

His physique ranks right up there with Dorian's - UGLY!

[SusanFitness]

 just goes to show how good the elite guys are. Paco has great genetics but even so has done nothing as a pro.

[jwb]

His physique ranks right up there with Dorian's - UGLY!

Yates had a great physique early in his pro career.

[Gino30]

Yes. Also correct.
But in this stage, he used almost nothing, and looked like this.

Please shut up.....please

You Paco guy......yes, we get it, you love the guy.....but he almost used nothing?....oh f'ck up please!

[Mars]

This is one of the reason why i recomend everybody to be natural.
Its not the matter of dose. Its a matter of genetic.
If you dont look like this within 5 or 6 years after starting lifting, absolutely no use to do the gears.

agree, most juicers dont even look like a dedicated natural with average genetics. i know that most juicers are lazy bitches too who think that it works on his own but you can see pretty fast if some of them have it or not.

[arce1988]

 kyomu is 5150

[Valane]

Yes. Also correct.
But in this stage, he used almost nothing, and looked like this.

Funny that he doesn't look much different mega dosing....

[BayGBM]

Already very hard.

Damn!  He was a sexy MF even back then! 

[lesaucer]

Funny that he doesn't look much different mega dosing....

haha true, but maybe he isnt MEGA dosing, using high dose yes but not too much, he still look healthy and still has hair. kyomu, you should ask him exactly what dosage he took back then and what hes using now and tell us!

[Van_Bilderass]

So much for your interpretation of what he was saying.

I knew of course that this is not what he really thought. The way he put it was retarded and not logical and condescending. The way he put it was not what he thought and knew, but reveals his thought process.

His silly rules about when drug use is justified and "worth it" are funny considering his "extensive philosophy background", etc. He's not very sophisticated on that front.

I'd like to see him explain how steroid use is justified in Paco's case and not in a recreational bodybuilder's or lower level competitor's for example. Some might even say Kyomu is stupid competing natural and placing last in shows and eating pine and 2 kilos of fish a day just to stand sideways leaning on one leg in all his pics. He should give it up!

[jwb]

why is kyumo natural anyway?

if i was training with a pro i'd want some cheap milligrams thrown my way for sure!