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Jobless Claims Jump...
« on: February 25, 2010, 06:46:10 AM »
Unexpectedly....

By SARAH N. LYNCH, TOM BARKLEY And JEFF BATER

In yet another troublesome sign for the labor markets, the number of U.S. workers filing new claims for jobless benefits unexpectedly surged last week to the highest level in over three months.

Total claims lasting more than one week, meanwhile, also increased.

Separately, durable-goods demand soared in January, rising twice what was expected because of airplane orders, while a sign of future demand went up for the first time in more than a year.

Initial claims for jobless benefits rose by 22,000 to 496,000 in the week ended Feb. 20, according to the Labor Department's weekly report Thursday. The previous week's level was revised upward to 474,000 from 473,000. That brings claims to their highest levels since Nov. 14 of 2009.

Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires expected initial claims to decrease by 13,000.

The four-week moving average, which aims to smooth volatility in the data, also rose for the week ending Feb. 20. The Labor Department said the four-week moving average went up by 6,000 to 473,750 from the previous week's revised average of 467,750.

A Labor Department economist said Thursday that the increases in claims last week were due in part to an administrative backlog in the states that were hit hard by major snow storms earlier in the month and also because the storms left people temporarily without work.

Despite recent figures showing that lay-offs are abating, economists agree that the jobs market is still not fully recovered and it may take years for the U.S. to regain all the jobs lost in the recession.

Addressing the National Governors Association earlier this week, Moody's Economy.com Chief Economist Mark Zandi told an audience that claims must fall to around 400,000 in order to be consistent with a stable market. To be consistent with enough job growth, he said, claims would have to then tumble to around 350,000.

In response to the stubbornly high unemployment, both the Obama administration and Congress have pushed the issue to the top of their political agenda. On Wednesday the U.S. Senate approved a $15 billion bill with bipartisan support aimed at spurring job creation. At the bill's core is a tax credit for employers who hire new workers.

In the Labor Department's Thursday report, the number of continuing claims -- those drawn by workers for more than one week in the week ended Feb. 13 -- increased by 6,000 to 4,617,000 from the preceding week's revised level of 4,611,000.

The unemployment rate for workers with unemployment insurance for the week ended Feb. 13 was 3.5% -- unchanged from the prior week's unrevised rate.

The largest increase in initial claims for the week ended Feb. 13 was in North Carolina due to layoffs in the construction, furniture, mining and stone, clay and glass industries. The largest decrease in initial claims occurred in California.

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The propaganda and misdirection in this article is fucking hilarious.

-"Unexpectedly" is used once again to characterize an awful jobs market that has been awful for the last several years.

-Jobless Claims at highest levels since November of 2009.

-More propaganda about the useless and wasteful jobs bill. Why hire new workers if they aren't needed?. If there is no demand? If your small business is hanging on by a thread and you've cut everyone already because they aren't needed?

-Another clever use of the "4 week moving average"...the numbers still can't be massaged, though.

-"Lay-Offs are abating"? Huh? If they are "abating" why do you need another Jobs Bill that brides businesses to hire workers they don't need/want/afford?

-And the best nugget "A Labor Department economist said Thursday that the increases in claims last week were due in part to an administrative backlog in the states that were hit hard by major snow storms earlier in the month and also because the storms left people temporarily without work."    I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this...snow storms? Pushing the numbers to a 3 month high? And of course they use the generalized "Labor Dept. Economist" to drop the "truth" on us.

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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 06:47:37 AM »
This is a lie!!!The stimulus is working great,how can this be true?

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 06:55:01 AM »
Hope & Change baby! 

I told everyone that February 2010 SHTF and we head south. 

The dolts thought otherwise - fools. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 07:28:21 AM »
Oh geeze.... ::) ::)

On Yahoo.com's front page : "Jobless Claims jump as heavy snow causes layoffs"


"The number of new claims for unemployment benefits jumped unexpectedly last week as heavy snows led to higher layoffs.
In addition, many state agencies in the mid-Atlantic and New England regions that process the claims were closed due to the storms and are now clearing out backlogs, a Labor Department analyst said."



No stats, numbers, other interviews, other sources, facts, figures...nothing. Just a random and anonymous "Labor Dept. Analyst" saying about 2 sentences.

Misdirection and propaganda at its best.

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 07:43:24 AM »
If you ask "kcballer", he will tell you that the stimulus worked just great.

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 08:46:04 AM »
Oh geeze.... ::) ::)

On Yahoo.com's front page : "Jobless Claims jump as heavy snow causes layoffs"


"The number of new claims for unemployment benefits jumped unexpectedly last week as heavy snows led to higher layoffs.
In addition, many state agencies in the mid-Atlantic and New England regions that process the claims were closed due to the storms and are now clearing out backlogs, a Labor Department analyst said."



No stats, numbers, other interviews, other sources, facts, figures...nothing. Just a random and anonymous "Labor Dept. Analyst" saying about 2 sentences.

Misdirection and propaganda at its best.


Gigantor - people are still so clueless its scary.    We are heading for a depression that will last years and we are discussing healthcare, unbelievable. 


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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 08:55:48 AM »
Gigantor - people are still so clueless its scary.    We are heading for a depression that will last years and we are discussing healthcare, unbelievable. 



If you want to know what happenes when the government spends like this, take a look at Japan and what they call the lost decade. We are well on our way.
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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 09:29:57 AM »
Hey 333's Billy and Kazan...how about getting a real job and quit complaining. Posting ALL DAY speaks volumes at your individual productivity 4 our country.

Enough said boys, continue your "Circle Jerk."

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 09:33:23 AM »
Hey 333's Billy and Kazan...how about getting a real job and quit complaining. Posting ALL DAY speaks volumes at your individual productivity 4 our country.

Enough said boys, continue your "Circle Jerk."

Good day.

I just got a guy off doing 65 in a 30 with a seatbelt violation. 

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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 09:33:46 AM »
Hey 333's Billy and Kazan...how about getting a real job and quit complaining. Posting ALL DAY speaks volumes at your individual productivity 4 our country.

Enough said boys, continue your "Circle Jerk."

Good day.

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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 09:35:37 AM »
Hey 333's Billy and Kazan...how about getting a real job and quit complaining. Posting ALL DAY speaks volumes at your individual productivity 4 our country.

Enough said boys, continue your "Circle Jerk."

Good day.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2010, 09:37:52 AM »
My job requires me to be on the computer.I do just fine thank you and unlike Barack Hussein Obamas filthy black community I dont need that blue mouthed homo to help me.By the way,this is a LIFTING web site,maybe you should get your pencil neck into the gym and lift.####!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2010, 09:39:23 AM »
Mons is a green beret remember? 

I think you mean a green gay
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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 09:44:27 AM »
If you ask "kcballer", he will tell you that the stimulus worked just great.

Never said it worked 'great'.  I did say it worked and i stand by that.  333 has admitted he would have preferred 30+% unemployment which no doubt would have occurred had nothing been done.  Was it the silver bullet it was talked up to be? No.  No one is saying that (unless you are extreme left) but did it avert a much greater crisis and stop it from being even worse? In the words of Palin 'You betcha'.   Even the congressional budget office a completely neutral party has said it saved and/or created jobs in certain sectors.   Has it helped everyone? No.  But like i said it's helped avert a much greater crisis which would have been a complete lack of essential services, unemployment much larger than we have now and it's been supported by BOTH PARTIES in government.  Either through voting for it or using posing at break ground events and asking for money for services and jobs.  
Abandon every hope...

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 09:51:21 AM »
Never said it worked 'great'.  I did say it worked and i stand by that.  333 has admitted he would have preferred 30+% unemployment which no doubt would have occurred had nothing been done.  Was it the silver bullet it was talked up to be? No.  No one is saying that (unless you are extreme left) but did it avert a much greater crisis and stop it from being even worse? In the words of Palin 'You betcha'.   Even the congressional budget office a completely neutral party has said it saved and/or created jobs in certain sectors.   Has it helped everyone? No.  But like i said it's helped avert a much greater crisis which would have been a complete lack of essential services, unemployment much larger than we have now and it's been supported by BOTH PARTIES in government.  Either through voting for it or using posing at break ground events and asking for money for services and jobs.  

We would have had 30% UE for a short time followed by real growth.  Instead we have 20% now, and it will go higher and will stay there for a long period of time along with all the debt from the garbage spending. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2010, 09:53:46 AM »
Real growth from what 333?  Americas economy is barely 10-15% production, it's an overwhelming consumption based economy. With bigger UE how is that going to help?  Less people with less money to buy and you think that is the answer?  You're talking about cutting 60-70% of the economy if no one has the ability to buy goods and services. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2010, 09:55:40 AM »
Jobless claims up, and new home sales hit record low. How are people buying into washingtons reports of growth?

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2010, 09:57:57 AM »
Real growth from what 333?  Americas economy is barely 10-15% production, it's an overwhelming consumption based economy. With bigger UE how is that going to help?  Less people with less money to buy and you think that is the answer?  You're talking about cutting 60-70% of the economy if no one has the ability to buy goods and services. 

They dont now!  

However, we now have enslaved future generations to we can pay off unions, and bloated states insane spending now.  

All we did is kick the can down the road for an even bigger, larger, and longer-lasting disaster later on.  

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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2010, 10:00:20 AM »
My job requires me to be on the computer.I do just fine thank you and unlike Barack Hussein Obamas filthy black community I dont need that blue mouthed homo to help me.By the way,this is a LIFTING web site,maybe you should get your pencil neck into the gym and lift.####!!

Woah im from a filthy black comminity and everyone in my family...strike that...ebery black person i associate with has a job..great paying jobs.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2010, 10:14:41 AM »
Woah im from a filthy black comminity and everyone in my family...strike that...ebery black person i associate with has a job..great paying jobs.

Hmmm,your from Chicago?I thought you said your from LA.The community Obama "organised" is a piece of shit,with sky high unemployment,sky high drop out rates,sky high crime.His organising did ZERO for anyone but himself.

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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2010, 11:45:35 AM »
Real growth from what 333?  Americas economy is barely 10-15% production, it's an overwhelming consumption based economy. With bigger UE how is that going to help?  Less people with less money to buy and you think that is the answer?  You're talking about cutting 60-70% of the economy if no one has the ability to buy goods and services. 

And how do you know UE would have gone to 30% if we didn't have the govt. loot the treasury and basically give it to the banks with no questions asked? Because our Treasury Sec., and former head of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson, said so? Really? How was taking 826 billion dollars and....gifting it to states going to help? All temporary handouts and direct transfer payments and to help plug states massive fiscal gaps. In my great state of IL we are 21 billion in the hole...a few billion of borrowed money isn't going to change that. Did anyone really think that in light of the massive apocalypse we face, a mere 800 billion dollars doled out to ditch diggers and state jobs was going to "jumpstart" anything? Really? That money could have been spent on tech, battery dev., efficiencies, tax credits etc for production...whatever, instead it gets handed out to do nothing jobs. And to keep those people filling the pot holes, digging the ditches and paying off voting blocs...we went into massive debt and the promise of higher taxes. Opportunity lost.

How many of the 2.1 million jobs will be there when the Stim. money is exhausted? How much overhead to this current Admin. create in the last year or so in enlarged govt., increased spending and insane amounts of new debt? Guess what....nothing has changed for the better, smoke and mirrors. We will get paid back with much higher taxes, a lower stand of living, miserable employment and a lost decade.

The major bank players were allowed to profit from the collapse in the form of OUR money. Other institutions got gobbled up, Leheman was allowed to fail thus strengthening their the already vicious choke hole the major banks had on our govt. and nation. The debt still hasn't been liquidated, it's still on the books...so nothing has changed. Mark to Market will never be instituted again because the banks would be found insolvent.

We had 2 paths to choose from The first was a very painful but necessary de-leveraging and flushing out of the system. Institutions would fail, no moral hazard and a positive precedent would be in place for future generations to see. Make no mistake, it would have been very painful...but the necessary events would take place that just might have set us on a path to sustainability.

 The second was the same old bullshit. More massive spending, more massive debt, collusion between the govt and the financial industry, looting of the treasury, and no one punished for obvious fraud. The Stimulus was a joke, a mere dab of iodine on the 12-gauge shot gun blast to the nations chest. The jobs bill is further waste and misses the point entirely. The banks have now strengthened their grip, their monopoly is strong, they own Congress. We now have no money, taxes WILL have to go up, the debt is still there and the govt. is being intrusive at the expense of the private sector. If a bond auction goes bust and the Fed isn't able to purchase Treasuries through a back door...than kaboom.

The govt. chose Option 2, if you were wondering.

Sorry for the rant...but am I crazy? Have I gone off the deep end?

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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 11:49:41 AM »
And how do you know UE would have gone to 30% if we didn't have the govt. loot the treasury and basically give it to the banks with no questions asked? Because our Treasury Sec., and former head of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson, said so? Really? How was taking 826 billion dollars and....gifting it to states going to help? All temporary handouts and direct transfer payments and to help plug states massive fiscal gaps. In my great state of IL we are 21 billion in the hole...a few billion of borrowed money isn't going to change that. Did anyone really think that in light of the massive apocalypse we face, a mere 800 billion dollars doled out to ditch diggers and state jobs was going to "jumpstart" anything? Really? That money could have been spent on tech, battery dev., efficiencies, tax credits etc for production...whatever, instead it gets handed out to do nothing jobs. And to keep those people filling the pot holes, digging the ditches and paying off voting blocs...we went into massive debt and the promise of higher taxes. Opportunity lost.

How many of the 2.1 million jobs will be there when the Stim. money is exhausted? How much overhead to this current Admin. create in the last year or so in enlarged govt., increased spending and insane amounts of new debt? Guess what....nothing has changed for the better, smoke and mirrors. We will get paid back with much higher taxes, a lower stand of living, miserable employment and a lost decade.

The major bank players were allowed to profit from the collapse in the form of OUR money. Other institutions got gobbled up, Leheman was allowed to fail thus strengthening their the already vicious choke hole the major banks had on our govt. and nation. The debt still hasn't been liquidated, it's still on the books...so nothing has changed. Mark to Market will never be instituted again because the banks would be found insolvent.

We had 2 paths to choose from The first was a very painful but necessary de-leveraging and flushing out of the system. Institutions would fail, no moral hazard and a positive precedent would be in place for future generations to see. Make no mistake, it would have been very painful...but the necessary events would take place that just might have set us on a path to sustainability.

 The second was the same old bullshit. More massive spending, more massive debt, collusion between the govt and the financial industry, looting of the treasury, and no one punished for obvious fraud. The Stimulus was a joke, a mere dab of iodine on the 12-gauge shot gun blast to the nations chest. The jobs bill is further waste and misses the point entirely. The banks have now strengthened their grip, their monopoly is strong, they own Congress. We now have no money, taxes WILL have to go up, the debt is still there and the govt. is being intrusive at the expense of the private sector. If a bond auction goes bust and the Fed isn't able to purchase Treasuries through a back door...than kaboom.

The govt. chose Option 2, if you were wondering.

Sorry for the rant...but am I crazy? Have I gone off the deep end?


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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 11:54:01 AM »
Exactly,  I dont see where these people get these numbers of what would have happened,  nobody knows what would have happened period.  But so many people take the word of an admin who couldnt even fucking run cash for klunckers the right way, and this same admin severely misestimated their numbers on every single thing when they drew up the stim bill. How can so many people still put any  faith in what they estimate now?

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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2010, 05:53:12 PM »
Existing Home Sales Plunge.... Unexpectedly as well.

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Re: Jobless Claims Jump...
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2010, 06:11:10 AM »
Existing Home Sales Plunge.... Unexpectedly as well.

Its not unexpected!

There is no recovery and the economy is getting far far worse, despite the trillions spent.