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How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« on: February 25, 2010, 07:34:01 AM »


How likely are humans?

We are defined by our genetic code—our DNA that contains 3 billion base-pairs. All our DNA is 99.9% the same.

What are the odds of 3 billion randomly arranged base-pairs matching human DNA?

About the same as drawing the A♠ from one billion decks.



More interesting assertions from Dr. Piccioni:

"Modern science has discovered that the conditions necessary for life are extraordinarily improbable. Let’s divide the requirements into four categories, all of which are essential for the existence of life: a viable universe; the right atoms; a habitable environment; and an effective genetic code."

"One of the choices in the creation of the Universe had to be very close to zero for  life to be possible. In fact, it must not differ from 0 by more than 1 in the 50th decimal digit.

The odds of that are the same as the odds of drawing one card from each of 29 shuffled decks of playing cards and having each drawn card be the A♠---I wouldn’t bet on it."


"Earth is a wonderful and extraordinarily improbable habitat. We are located at the right distance from the center of a favorable galaxy. Our Solar System formed at the right time, with only a single star that has just the right mass. Earth is protected by a big brother, Jupiter, and our seasons are consistent due to a little sister, our Moon."


What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the universe. - Albert Einstein

"I believe his quandary was: do the laws of nature and mathematics allow the existence of universes quite different from ours?"








(Dr. Piccioni has introduced cutting-edge science to numerous non-scientific audiences, including school children and civic groups. He was guest lecturer on a National Geographic/Lindblad cruise. He has given invited talks at Harvard, Caltech, and Stanford University, and is presently giving an eight-week course on Einstein’s theories at the Osher Institute, an adult education program, at California State University at Channel Islands.

Dr. Piccioni has a B.S. in Physics from Caltech, a Ph.D. in High Energy Physics from Stanford University, was a faculty member at Harvard University and did research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator in Palo Alto, Calif.

Dr. Piccioni has studied with and done research with numerous Nobel Laureates. At Caltech, one of his professors was Richard Feynman, one of the most famous physicists of the 20th century, and a good family friend. Professor Feynman taught Dr. Piccioni how to play pool, and the Piccioni's taught Feynman how to sail.


Dr. Piccioni was born with physics in his blood. His father, Dr. Oreste Piccioni, was a famous high energy physicist who studied under Enrico Fermi, and won the prestigious Matteucci Medal, which for 140 years has been awarded to many of the world's leading scientists for their fundamental contribution in the progress of science. - i.e. Thomas Edison, Marie & Pierre Currie, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr and Enrico Fermi, among others.)

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 08:16:08 AM »

How likely are humans?

We are defined by our genetic code—our DNA that contains 3 billion base-pairs. All our DNA is 99.9% the same.

What are the odds of 3 billion randomly arranged base-pairs matching human DNA?

About the same as drawing the A♠ from one billion decks.



More interesting assertions from Dr. Piccioni:

"Modern science has discovered that the conditions necessary for life are extraordinarily improbable. Let’s divide the requirements into four categories, all of which are essential for the existence of life: a viable universe; the right atoms; a habitable environment; and an effective genetic code."

"One of the choices in the creation of the Universe had to be very close to zero for  life to be possible. In fact, it must not differ from 0 by more than 1 in the 50th decimal digit.

The odds of that are the same as the odds of drawing one card from each of 29 shuffled decks of playing cards and having each drawn card be the A♠---I wouldn’t bet on it."


"Earth is a wonderful and extraordinarily improbable habitat. We are located at the right distance from the center of a favorable galaxy. Our Solar System formed at the right time, with only a single star that has just the right mass. Earth is protected by a big brother, Jupiter, and our seasons are consistent due to a little sister, our Moon."


What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the universe. - Albert Einstein

"I believe his quandary was: do the laws of nature and mathematics allow the existence of universes quite different from ours?"








(Dr. Piccioni has introduced cutting-edge science to numerous non-scientific audiences, including school children and civic groups. He was guest lecturer on a National Geographic/Lindblad cruise. He has given invited talks at Harvard, Caltech, and Stanford University, and is presently giving an eight-week course on Einstein’s theories at the Osher Institute, an adult education program, at California State University at Channel Islands.

Dr. Piccioni has a B.S. in Physics from Caltech, a Ph.D. in High Energy Physics from Stanford University, was a faculty member at Harvard University and did research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator in Palo Alto, Calif.

Dr. Piccioni has studied with and done research with numerous Nobel Laureates. At Caltech, one of his professors was Richard Feynman, one of the most famous physicists of the 20th century, and a good family friend. Professor Feynman taught Dr. Piccioni how to play pool, and the Piccioni's taught Feynman how to sail.


Dr. Piccioni was born with physics in his blood. His father, Dr. Oreste Piccioni, was a famous high energy physicist who studied under Enrico Fermi, and won the prestigious Matteucci Medal, which for 140 years has been awarded to many of the world's leading scientists for their fundamental contribution in the progress of science. - i.e. Thomas Edison, Marie & Pierre Currie, Albert Einstein, Niels Bohr and Enrico Fermi, among others.)

www.guidetothecosmos.com



Good post, Stella! Maybe it will click with some of the readers. I would say the odds are astronomical. Most mathematicians, would agree, it's not even possible with those odds.




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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 03:22:45 PM »

Good post, Stella! Maybe it will click with some of the readers. I would say the odds are astronomical. Most mathematicians, would agree, it's not even possible with those odds.




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what? lmao, do you have any idea about odds, what about the fact that we are here? um that=100% probability that it would of happened. The argument is a tautology and has been debunked over and over. These six numbers are not a new argument, it doesnt prove anything except what we expect to find. Life exists where it can, thats the finding we would expect to find, and voila we do.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 09:59:58 PM »
what? lmao, do you have any idea about odds,  what about the fact that we are here? um that=100% probability that it would of happened. The argument is a tautology and has been debunked over and over. These six numbers are not a new argument, it doesnt prove anything except what we expect to find. Life exists where it can, thats the finding we would expect to find, and voila we do.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2010, 10:27:39 AM »
Are you Stella? Highlighted = God!




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I don't think you understand the question being asked, probability is stacked against us unfairly with regards to this question since we are taking all possibilities while not knowing if there were any other options. This is not how probability works, the fact that we are here makes it not impossible, so any mathmatician who states it's impossible is a moron flat out.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 06:46:44 PM »
I don't think you understand the question being asked, probability is stacked against us unfairly with regards to this question since we are taking all possibilities while not knowing if there were any other options. This is not how probability works, the fact that we are here makes it not impossible, so any mathmatician who states it's impossible is a moron flat out.

Not True! I'm gonna give you some time to think about it before I show you differnetly. Make sure you cover all your tracks, this will be interesting for all concerned! It's old for me, however, I feel you really believe this, therefore, I'm going to try and help you! Peace!





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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 07:14:19 PM »
Not True! I'm gonna give you some time to think about it before I show you differnetly. Make sure you cover all your tracks, this will be interesting for all concerned! It's old for me, however, I feel you really believe this, therefore, I'm going to try and help you! Peace!





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are you serious? this is a the same argument that has been presented over and over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle#Criticisms

stop with the condescending tone as well, you have repeatdly shown you know nothing of science, i admit i do not know as much about the bible as others here. However, what i am certain of is that i know more about these same rehashed arguments then you, and science. show me how something that has happened is impossible ::)

You are going to correct all of the worlds most brilliant minds on this tautology, i can't wait.





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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 07:15:29 PM »
“The suggestion that an infinity of objects characterized by certain numbers or properties implies the existence among them of objects with any combination of those numbers or characteristics [...] is mistaken. An infinity does not imply at all that any arrangement is present or repeated. [...] The assumption that all possible worlds are realized in an infinite universe is equivalent to the assertion that any infinite set of numbers contains all numbers (or at least all Gödel numbers of the [defining] sequences), which is obviously false.”

perhaps reading godels incompleteness theorem would help also.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 09:53:39 PM »
this is a the same argument that has been presented over and over.

It seems like you would have learned by now, huh? What's happening to you, is you are out smarting yourself. Have you ever heard of that? *LOL*.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle#Criticisms

*Sigh*. *LOL*. I'm not going to commit on this, yet. Maybe McWay would like to give it a shot, first. Can't believe you are using this. And you know more about  science than me? How so?


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stop with the condescending tone as well, you have repeatedly shown you know nothing of science, i admit i do not know as much about the bible as others here. However, what i am certain of is that i know more about these same rehashed arguments then you, and science. show me how something that has happened is impossible ::)

You don't need to worry about my tone, Necrosis, that's the least of your worries. And it's blatantly obvious, that you know ABSOLUTELY, NOTHING about the Bible. That s why you CAN'T answer the question, "What can't God do?", or your buddy, haider. Both of you are like 2 peas in a pod. If you are so smart, give us that answer. My 12 year old girl, Can. *LOL*. You deserve a condescending tone.

Until you can, the two of you, bellowing about how scientific you are is mute.

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You are going to correct all of the worlds most brilliant minds on this tautology, i can't wait.

You're getting worse. *LOL*. You mean to tell me, these "Brilliant" minds of the world, are whom you put your trust in? *LOL*. 2/3 of the worlds population is in dire need, Necrosis. What happened to this brilliance? *LOL*. If you/haider and these so called "Brilliant" minds, are so brilliant, why is the world in such a dilemma? Thats right, we all should listen to Necrosis/Haider on get big, and their buddies (brilliant minds) because why? *LOL*. You're kidding me about your credentials, right? I'm not even gonna take you serious anymore. McWay can waste his time, I'm done. You are on something, friend? The world is in shambles, due to you/haider and the "brilliant" minds. *LOL*. Yeah, necrosis, I can't wait, buddy! OMG, I don't think I've had a laugh like this, my entire life. Tell us what you "genius'" plan is. *LOL*. You people have it messed up so bad, you don't know what to do. *LOL*. All you can do is spit theories! *LOL*. this is good. I hope, you and haider aren't considered in that group of "brilliant" minds. Are you still taking zanix?




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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 10:21:27 PM »
It seems like you would have learned by now, huh? What's happening to you, is you are out smarting yourself. Have you ever heard of that? *LOL*.

*Sigh*. *LOL*. I'm not going to commit on this, yet. Maybe McWay would like to give it a shot, first. Can't believe you are using this. And you know more about  science than me? How so?


You don't need to worry about my tone, Necrosis, that's the least of your worries. And it's blatantly obvious, that you know ABSOLUTELY, NOTHING about the Bible. That s why you CAN'T answer the question, "What can't God do?", or your buddy, haider. Both of you are like 2 peas in a pod. If you are so smart, give us that answer. My 12 year old girl, Can. *LOL*. You deserve a condescending tone.

Until you can, the two of you, bellowing about how scientific you are is mute.

You're getting worse. *LOL*. You mean to tell me, these "Brilliant" minds of the world, are whom you put your trust in? *LOL*. 2/3 of the worlds population is in dire need, Necrosis. What happened to this brilliance? *LOL*. If you/haider and these so called "Brilliant" minds, are so brilliant, why is the world in such a dilemma? Thats right, we all should listen to Necrosis/Haider on get big, and their buddies (brilliant minds) because why? *LOL*. You're kidding me about your credentials, right? I'm not even gonna take you serious anymore. McWay can waste his time, I'm done. You are on something, friend? The world is in shambles, due to you/haider and the "brilliant" minds. *LOL*. Yeah, necrosis, I can't wait, buddy! OMG, I don't think I've had a laugh like this, my entire life. Tell us what you "genius'" plan is. *LOL*. You people have it messed up so bad, you don't know what to do. *LOL*. All you can do is spit theories! *LOL*. this is good. I hope, you and haider aren't considered in that group of "brilliant" minds. Are you still taking zanix?




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what cant god do is not a question the bible can answer. Nice dodging the question, i posted a link with respect to your argument, showing how silly it is and you respond with a typical avoidant response, with a arrogant aire like you know something.Your god created this world so if it's in shambles it's his fault, god gets all the credit and none of the blame huh? You have no idea what a theory is apparently, you have been corrected over and over. Theories are collections of facts, a framework that best explains something using evidence and proof, this is how i know more about science then you. Science has done more then your god a million times over. Reject medicine and revert to prayer to heal yourself if you are so inclined, i'm sure your god will take care of you.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 10:28:25 PM »
You don't need to worry about my tone, Necrosis, that's the least of your worries. And it's blatantly obvious, that you know ABSOLUTELY, NOTHING about the Bible. That s why you CAN'T answer the question, "What can't God do?", or your buddy, haider. Both of you are like 2 peas in a pod. If you are so smart, give us that answer. My 12 year old girl, Can. *LOL*. You deserve a condescending tone.

Until you can, the two of you, bellowing about how scientific you are is mute.

 Are you still taking zanix?




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well it's xanax for one but nice try ::) and no, i take it occasionally thanks for asking. I'm also not worried about your tone you are just coming off as an asshat is all. You think by beckoning mcway that it improves your argument, or dodging questions and using distractors you are somehow winning an argument. Again, asshat=spelling drug names terribly wrong when talking about science, asshat=using the word "theory" without knowing what it means, asshat=completely avoiding my response when you said you would show me in due time.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 10:42:30 PM »
what cant god do is not a question the bible can answer. Nice dodging the question, i posted a link with respect to your argument, showing how silly it is and you respond with a typical avoidant response, with a arrogant aire like you know something.Your god created this world so if it's in shambles it's his fault, god gets all the credit and none of the blame huh?

Heeeelllllowwww, Mcfly! We're discussing what YOU believe. You and the "brilliant" minds! Numnuts! God is NOT in control. Obviously! It's your buddies "brilliant" minds. *LOL*. Cant you comprehend! That's what McWay and I are trying to show you, dummy! it's these wonderful "Brilliant" minds, that have the world in destitute. God is going to resolve it, Necrosis, because you and your "brilliant" minds, can't. You guys have been trying for over 5000 years. *LOL*. Do you understand that? How old are you?

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You have no idea what a theory is apparently, you have been corrected over and over. Theories are collections of facts, a framework that best explains something using evidence and proof, this is how i know more about science then you. Science has done more then your god a million times over. Reject medicine and revert to prayer to heal yourself if you are so inclined, I'm sure your god will take care of you.

*LOL*. You have a mental problem don't you? You're right Necrosis, THEORY is FACT! *lol*. YOU NEED MORE THAN PRAYER, Necrosis! *LOL* A MIRACLE!





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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 10:52:00 PM »
what cant god do is not a question the bible can answer. Nice dodging the question, i posted a link with respect to your argument, showing how silly it is and you respond with a typical avoidant response, with a arrogant aire like you know something.Your god created this world so if it's in shambles it's his fault, god gets all the credit and none of the blame huh? .


There YOU go again telling ME what's in the Bible, numnuts. No YOU/HAIDER CAN'T ansewer that question! *LOL*. What do you know about the Bible? Necrosis, the Bible DOES CONTAIN THIS ANSWER, YOU BIG DUMMY! What, yoiu think I spouted this, with out knowing for sure? That's you and your pards (haider), m.o., just like two peas in a pod! Theory! *LOL* You live off of THEORY! *lol*



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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 02:24:45 PM »
Heeeelllllowwww, Mcfly! We're discussing what YOU believe. You and the "brilliant" minds! Numnuts! God is NOT in control. Obviously! It's your buddies "brilliant" minds. *LOL*. Cant you comprehend! That's what McWay and I are trying to show you, dummy! it's these wonderful "Brilliant" minds, that have the world in destitute. God is going to resolve it, Necrosis, because you and your "brilliant" minds, can't. You guys have been trying for over 5000 years. *LOL*. Do you understand that? How old are you?

*LOL*. You have a mental problem don't you? You're right Necrosis, THEORY is FACT! *lol*. YOU NEED MORE THAN PRAYER, Necrosis! *LOL* A MIRACLE!





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I presented the link with your argument getting destroyed, you have done nothing but call me names and dodge the rebuttal to which you stated you would. So your god creates a world knowing it will go to shit and its our problem to fix it? what problems havent we fixed, you seem utterly ignorant we have solved thousands of the worlds problems, medicine, technology, travel, communication etc.. this world is 100% better because of these brilliant minds, and it would be pure shit with smallpox killing millions had we left it to your god. Not to derail stellas thread though, nice try, please show me how it is impossible according to statistics(probability if you were unsure). Your turning into a troll for the most part, derailing threads and now ranting in caps and different fonts, i can picture you actually LOLing when you write it, alone in your house, watching benny hinn.

I have trouble concentrating, as iq increases so do affective and cognitive disorders it's a by-product of not being stupid. You know, have you ever seen a hillbilly depressed? not really huh, because they don't burden themselves with real problems, and think about life and worry about the truth. They can just leave the real hard issues like congenital deformities in children to the doctors and scientists. All the while they will keep telling themselves, god is watching out for them, and god is good and will correct all. To bad people actually do things for themselves and realize that life will pass you by and no one from above is coming to help, tell a child dying of cystic fibrosis that god meant for you to have this, sorry we won't help. If god is going to fix it then he is one sick fuck, what is he waiting for? does he have a suffering meter, how sick is it that you claim that in the bible it states what will become of this world. Thats proof god knows what is going to happen yet created us anyway, a few mental ::)(psychiatric) maladies come to mind to describe this behaviour.

It's obvious your mind is sick with delusion, you are being utterly destroyed in all our arguments yet i know for a fact you are unaffected by it, nothing can convince you otherwise. Sad that people still have a closed mind with all the information we have now, all the great things you could learn about the world and how it actually works.

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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 02:15:54 PM »
I presented the link with your argument getting destroyed, you have done nothing but call me names and dodge the rebuttal to which you stated you would. So your god creates a world knowing it will go to shit and its our problem to fix it? what problems havent we fixed, you seem utterly ignorant we have solved thousands of the worlds problems, medicine, technology, travel, communication etc.. this world is 100% better because of these brilliant minds, and it would be pure shit with smallpox killing millions had we left it to your god. Not to derail stellas thread though, nice try, please show me how it is impossible according to statistics(probability if you were unsure). Your turning into a troll for the most part, derailing threads and now ranting in caps and different fonts, i can picture you actually LOLing when you write it, alone in your house, watching benny hinn.

I have trouble concentrating, as iq increases so do affective and cognitive disorders it's a by-product of not being stupid. You know, have you ever seen a hillbilly depressed? not really huh, because they don't burden themselves with real problems, and think about life and worry about the truth. They can just leave the real hard issues like congenital deformities in children to the doctors and scientists. All the while they will keep telling themselves, god is watching out for them, and god is good and will correct all. To bad people actually do things for themselves and realize that life will pass you by and no one from above is coming to help, tell a child dying of cystic fibrosis that god meant for you to have this, sorry we won't help. If god is going to fix it then he is one sick fuck, what is he waiting for? does he have a suffering meter, how sick is it that you claim that in the bible it states what will become of this world. Thats proof god knows what is going to happen yet created us anyway, a few mental ::)(psychiatric) maladies come to mind to describe this behaviour.

It's obvious your mind is sick with delusion, you are being utterly destroyed in all our arguments yet i know for a fact you are unaffected by it, nothing can convince you otherwise. Sad that people still have a closed mind with all the information we have now, all the great things you could learn about the world and how it actually works.



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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 02:28:47 PM »
throw quantum mechanix into the mix and its not only likely...it pretty much has to happen....


99.99% of physicists would not agree with this guy....

and ONE B grade physics guy says so and all of a sudden the religion folks get a boner  :-\


i've also seen a monkey spell a word....WOW....monkeys must be as smart as us  :-\


pfft...


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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 03:30:01 PM »
throw quantum mechanix into the mix and its not only likely...it pretty much has to happen....


99.99% of physicists would not agree with this guy....

and ONE B grade physics guy says so and all of a sudden the religion folks get a boner  :-\


i've also seen a monkey spell a word....WOW....monkeys must be as smart as us  :-\


pfft...





What can quantum mechanics do for mankind?





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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 04:22:06 PM »

What can quantum mechanics do for mankind?





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i wish there was a facepalm emoticon, my god dude read a fucking book.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 04:38:36 PM »

What can quantum mechanics do for mankind?
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watch...learn..."The Elegant Universe" 

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v535709mdhPEJEP#
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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 05:32:19 PM »
i wish there was a facepalm emoticon, my god dude read a SMUcking book.


The last thing you need to worry about is a "FACE PALM" emoticon. I CLEANED your POTTY mouth up a tad. You need to read a book on that, it's makes you look 10.

P.S. What do you recommend that was written by a PERFECT man?


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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 05:34:24 PM »


watch...learn..."The Elegant Universe" 

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational/watch/v535709mdhPEJEP#


Thanks for the vid, toxic. I reviewed it and enjoyed the theory. However, what is your thoughts on how that can help mankind's future and PAST?




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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 06:00:24 PM »

The last thing you need to worry about is a "FACE PALM" emoticon. I CLEANED your POTTY mouth up a tad. You need to read a book on that, it's makes you look 10.

P.S. What do you recommend that was written by a PERFECT man?


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lol, meltdown, did you just challenge me to a fight you e-thug? a christian e-thug who wants to throw hands lmao. I think you should take some time off the internets and go hang out with the child you apparently neglect as you are on it night and day.


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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 07:39:56 PM »

Thanks for the vid, toxic. I reviewed it and enjoyed the theory. However, what is your thoughts on how that can help mankind's future and PAST?


science like that has eventually trickled into our homes and has given us the circuit...the telivision....the lazer (which by the way surgeons use to help save lives every day)....and thats just off the top of my head...

but knowlodge and the persuit there of in itself is the reward....  ;)  it is like love....you dont ask your woman what she's done for you "future and past"...now do ya?
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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 08:27:42 PM »
science like that has eventually trickled into our homes and has given us the circuit...the telivision....the lazer (which by the way surgeons use to help save lives every day)....and thats just off the top of my head...

Ha Ha. I like the way you think, toxic! I do agree with this. I don't know tho, sometimes I wonder if it's really helped us or hurt us as a society. All the modernization, seems to at times, made people lazy and unappreciative of the simpler things in life. In other words, people take things for granted more so, it seems.

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but knowledge and the pursuit there of in itself is the reward....  ;)  it is like love....you don't ask your woman what she's done for you "future and past"...now do ya?

Good analogy! Well, I was going a little deeper than this. For instance, with my wife, we do talk about the past and future. for instance, we both have a physical need, that each one is responsible for providing. So, we discuss that matter to make sure we are doing the part, so to speak. Make sense. that way, the FUTURE regarding that need should be taken care of. allot of couples fail to this, and in my opinion, this is why they fall short in the marriage.

Now the "deeper" part of my inquire was this. How can this technology/knowledge help mankind in regards to our DEAD loved ones? Also, how can it get rid of our imperfection? those are two things that haunt ALL of us, no matter what our beliefs are. Even if we were able to cure diseases, go to other planets, and so on, how would that help us to in our birth into this world, in an imperfect condition. In other words, we ALL would still be born imperfect, therefore continuing to make mistakes. How do you feel about this, and how could this theory that you proposed solve that? Again, thanks for taking the time out and discussing this matter with me. I'm always looking to chat with reasonable people. Peace!


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Re: How likely are humans according to non-Christian Physicist
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 09:51:41 PM »
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Ha Ha. I like the way you think, toxic! I do agree with this. I don't know tho, sometimes I wonder if it's really helped us or hurt us as a society. All the modernization, seems to at times, made people lazy and unappreciative of the simpler things in life. In other words, people take things for granted more so, it seems.
(i'll have to break my answer into 2 posts since getbig is acting funky...anyhoo..)
Lazy people WILL ALWAYS find a way to be lazy...with or without technology...there r tribes in africa and the jungles of of the amazon that have never seen ANY technology and yet i'm willing to bet they have their share of lazy fucks...
Personally i firmly believe that its usually the stupider of the people that get addicted to telivision,cell phones etc...
i watch maybe 2 hrs of the discovery channel, family guy (my guilty pleasure) or the travel channel every other day....and i dont have a cell phone PERIOD...my girl can call me at home
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