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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=C2

Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ
By Elizabeth Landau, CNN
February 26, 2010 5:03 p.m. EST

The IQ differences are statistically significant, but experts say the data shouldn't be used to stereotype or make assumptions.

Behaviors may stem from desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ

For men, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily
None of this means that humans are evolving toward a future where such traits are the default

(CNN) -- Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.
Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.
The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.
The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.
"The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."
Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.
The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.
Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.
For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.
Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.
"It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.
Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.
"Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.
The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.
"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.
Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.
The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.
It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.
Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."
Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.
None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.
"More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 06:46:41 PM »
Feeling a little self conscious today?
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 07:20:46 PM »
Feeling a little self conscious today?
Not at all.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 09:52:05 PM »
The morally superior TA, who can't make a rational argument without a cut and paste job.  ::)
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 10:03:04 PM »
The morally superior TA, who can't make a rational argument without a cut and paste job.  ::)
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 10:04:14 PM »
please go respond to that thread about homosexuality being beneficial etc that I showed you to be an idiot in  ;)

by these results you should be a redneck right wing religious nutjob  ;D

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2010, 11:34:58 PM »
please go respond to that thread about homosexuality being beneficial etc that I showed you to be an idiot in  ;)

by these results you should be a redneck right wing religious nutjob  ;D
Homosexuality does not have to be or is not required to be beneficial.  

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 12:30:24 AM »
I am not surprised.  Most atheists think outside the box.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2010, 06:01:52 AM »
Homosexuality does not have to be or is not required to be beneficial.  
you said it was  ;) now go back to that thread and respond

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2010, 06:08:04 AM »
I am not surprised.  Most atheists think outside the box.

Most aetheists i have met are as screwed up mentally as those they like to mock but are too arrogant to realize it.   

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2010, 01:26:38 PM »
The terms "educated Christian" are an oxymoron and should never be uttered in the same sentence.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2010, 06:33:10 PM »
Hey dip shit, Obama is supposedly the most educated president in the history of america, and he attended a christian church for 20 years. but you are quick to defend bammer and his liberal policies. Why if he is so stupid according to ur oxymoron statement??

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 07:39:04 AM »
Hey dip shit, Obama is supposedly the most educated president in the history of america, and he attended a christian church for 20 years. but you are quick to defend bammer and his liberal policies. Why if he is so stupid according to ur oxymoron statement??

You'll have to excuse Lurker. He's addicted to buffoonery.

Once he gets his foot out of his mouth, he'll explain how we have such educated men like Dr. Ben Carson (one of the best neurosurgeons on this planet and the first to succesfully separate twins, conjoined at the head), or the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, in Ft Lauderdale, Florida (a man with NINE advanced degreed and deemed by Cambridge as one of the top intellectuals of the 20th century).

Then there are all of those Founding Fathers of this country, who were Christians.

Throw in Louis Pasteur, John Kellogg, and.....well, you get the point.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 09:03:53 AM »
Oddly...we didn't get a cut and paste job from MCWAY to explain his argument. If that was TA we'd get a 3 page thread without any analysis passed off as if he knew what he was talking about.
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 10:01:20 AM »
Oddly...we didn't get a cut and paste job from MCWAY to explain his argument. If that was TA we'd get a 3 page thread without any analysis passed off as if he knew what he was talking about.

I forgot another guy (I indirecty referenced him in one of Blacken's silly threads): S Truett Cathy, owner of the Chick-Fil-A franchise, also a Sunday School teacher for over five decades (in fact, he put in the policy that all Chick-Fil-A restaurants be CLOSED on Sundays).

"Our decision to close on Sunday was our way of honoring God and directing our attention to things more important than our business. If it took seven days to make a living with a restaurant, then we needed to be in some other line of work. Through the years, I have never wavered from that position.

He started what is now the second-largest chicken fast-food franchise in the country. That's a real knucklehead there.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2010, 10:04:07 AM »
I haven't followed this thread, but I have to say Chic-Fil-A is a great restaurant started by a brilliant Christian like MCWAY said...  Same with Wendy's, Dave Thomas 33° is my idol.
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 10:12:47 AM »
I haven't followed this thread, but I have to say Chic-Fil-A is a great restaurant started by a brilliant Christian like MCWAY said...  Same with Wendy's, Dave Thomas 33° is my idol.

Now that you mentioned it, the founder of the BIGGEST chicken fast-food restaurant was a man of faith, too. I remember doing a report on him when I was in grade school.

If I recall, he would joke about how the Lord would still have to deal with him, about his 'cussin'.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 01:57:20 PM »
I didn't understand what the article was saying..

Damn, I'm late for Church!

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 02:14:24 PM »
Now that you mentioned it, the founder of the BIGGEST chicken fast-food restaurant was a man of faith, too. I remember doing a report on him when I was in grade school.

If I recall, he would joke about how the Lord would still have to deal with him, about his 'cussin'.

Mr. Sanders was a good man from what I hear, my great grandmother knew him...  ;D
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 02:18:05 PM »
Ah the great True Apenis. The very same man (I use the term loosely here) who stated he and his whore would only get married when homosexuals were allowed to. May I point out the glaring flaw in this thinking? It is quite simple really- a MARRIAGE is a RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. Why would queers really be so desperate to take part in a ceremony which draws it's origins from a religion which HATES homosexuals? It is so fucking stupid and illogical that I cringe everytime I hear of yet another court case involving gay marriage which MY tax dollars are funding.

In short, you are delusional and stupid Apenis. Nice that you think being liberal and pro homosexual somehow validates your delusional self belief that you are vastly more intelligent than the common man but this is simply not true. Sorry to burst your bubble amigo.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2010, 08:03:01 PM »
Hey dip shit, Obama is supposedly the most educated president in the history of america, and he attended a christian church for 20 years. but you are quick to defend bammer and his liberal policies. Why if he is so stupid according to ur oxymoron statement??

Non-religious people are more distrusted and discriminated against even than Muslims in America. NO politician hoping to become elected would ever openly sabotage his chances of doing so by claiming to be non-religious, much less an Atheist. As long as political leaders base their decisions on factual data and not due to religious convictions, their faith, or lack thereof, should not matter in the least.

The US was based on secularism, not religion convictions and there is much debate as to the religious convictions of the founding fathers. A common consensus seems to be that they were deists, apart from Benjamin Franklin, but not necessarily Christians. Regardless, they chose to base their society on secularism and not religious ideals.

It's common knowledge that most scientists, or rational thinkers are non-religious. By this I mean, people of a higher intelligence.

I don't say these people are Atheist and are most likey merely non-religious, as most are probably leaning towards Agnosticism instead of Atheism. Atheism doesn't yet appear to be the most logical choice as a deity has yet to truly be disproved, but it does appear to be the most likely choice given the total lack of evidence regarding the contrary.

nb: Cutting and pasting data is the easiest most effective way to substantiate one's views on the Internet and in no way, shape, or form lessens the value of the information being provided. Only a moron would dismiss the data being presented if it were indeed factual.
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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2010, 04:53:10 AM »
Non-religious people are more distrusted and discriminated against even than Muslims in America. NO politician hoping to become elected would ever openly sabotage his chances of doing so by claiming to be non-religious, much less an Atheist. As long as political leaders base their decisions on factual data and not due to religious convictions, their faith, or lack thereof, should not matter in the least.

The US was based on secularism, not religion convictions and there is much debate as to the religious convictions of the founding fathers. A common consensus seems to be that they were deists, apart from Benjamin Franklin, but not necessarily Christians. Regardless, they chose to base their society on secularism and not religious ideals.

It's common knowledge that most scientists, or rational thinkers are non-religious. By this I mean, people of a higher intelligence.

I don't say these people are Atheist and are most likey merely non-religious, as most are probably leaning towards Agnosticism instead of Atheism. Atheism doesn't yet appear to be the most logical choice as a deity has yet to truly be disproved, but it does appear to be the most likely choice given the total lack of evidence regarding the contrary.

nb: Cutting and pasting data is the easiest most effective way to substantiate one's views on the Internet and in no way, shape, or form lessens the value of the information being provided. Only a moron would dismiss the data being presented if it were indeed factual.

The reason non-religious guys have no chance of getting elected is because, more often than not, they act like arrogant, pompous JERKS and insult people of faith and/or nominal Christians (who just happen to make up the BULK of the populace).

How smart can you be to belittle the voters-at-large, then act shocked that you don't get elected?

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2010, 06:34:18 AM »
I bet if you put liberals and conservatives in a cage and told them to fight their way out,the libs would be left laying.So,they may be smart,but usually they are a bunch of girls who we conservatives can beat the shit out of and just take what we want from them.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2010, 06:46:44 AM »
You'll have to excuse Lurker. He's addicted to buffoonery.

Once he gets his foot out of his mouth, he'll explain how we have such educated men like Dr. Ben Carson (one of the best neurosurgeons on this planet and the first to succesfully separate twins, conjoined at the head), or the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, founder of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, in Ft Lauderdale, Florida (a man with NINE advanced degreed and deemed by Cambridge as one of the top intellectuals of the 20th century).

Then there are all of those Founding Fathers of this country, who were Christians.

Throw in Louis Pasteur, John Kellogg, and.....well, you get the point.

See?  Perfect example of Christian stupidity.

Using James Kennedy as an example only highlights how stupid you truly are.  This is the same man that tried over and over to link evoluation to Hitler.   ::)   Great example of why the bullshit far right wing base is dying out.

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Re: LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2010, 06:49:25 AM »
Hey dip shit, Obama is supposedly the most educated president in the history of america, and he attended a christian church for 20 years. but you are quick to defend bammer and his liberal policies. Why if he is so stupid according to ur oxymoron statement??

Hey "dipshit".

Make up your mind.  First you act like Obama is stupid and now you say he might be the most educated president in history.  Which is it?  Besides typical Christian contradictions and hypocrisy.  If he is as stupid as all you whiners say, you only prove my point.  If he isn't, then you simply expose your own baseless insecurities and hyporcrisy.

Which is it "dipshit"?